Osiris Fraternal Order: Abdication of the Pharaoh

[Ikania]

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The language you're using betrays either a fundamental lack of knowledge or a deliberate misunderstanding of the situation. Instead of "Your view of Tim has changed in respect to his continued involvement with a group that has attacked Osiris," you say "You've turned against him." It's the language of someone trying to make a point, rather than someone who actually cares. Especially since there's nothing incongruous about reacting to current events.

The only care I have is for the delightful irony of the situation.

Beyond that though, you say you don't care about a group that's taken hostile action against Osiris. Ok. Then you don't care about Osiris. That's fine. That's the position of many folk. But you've been using language here that indicates your caring for Osiris is why you hold the opinions you do. If we wanna talk about incongruity, can we talk about how you don't care about Osiris but are speaking as though you do for the sake of an attack line?

I cared about Osiris until Osiris became something not worth caring about, and not at all what it used to be. I don't care about this situation because it doesn't concern me, my interests or anyone/anything that I care about in the slightest. My opinion, be it what it is, means nothing and isn't a strong one.

I'm just saying, you talk about Cormac here like he's destroyed a beautiful thing in one line and then talk about how you don't give a shit about any of it in the next one. Do you genuinely care but can't say it out loud without throwing an insult? Do you not care at all? Are you conflicted and just casting about randomly until something sticks?

Perhaps you need to reflect and decide what you're really thinking? Either way, until you do, your criticisms are coming across as incredibly ineffective and simply hostile for the sake of hostility. If you want to have an actual dialogue, you're going to need to leave your baggage outside.

What I don't care about is your squabble with the Wardens over something so trivial. What I do care about is making sure that Cormac doesn't get off easy with the bullshit he spews. It's that simple. There's no dialogue to have, that was made sure five months ago.

[The Dourian Embassy]

What I don't care about is your squabble with the Wardens over something so trivial. What I do care about is making sure that Cormac doesn't get off easy with the bullshit he spews. It's that simple. There's no dialogue to have, that was made sure five months ago.

You don't care about what's going on between us and TGW yet you came to this thread and posted on that very topic. You actually came here to go "I don't have a strong opinion on this really: and that opinion is I don't care." What you're essentially saying here is that your primary focus is to go after Cormac, which is the kind of thing you shouldn't post if you're hoping to achieve anything at all. You're letting him know you're coming, and also letting everyone else know that they could completely ignore your posts and get the same amount of information out of the thread.

I mean, that's just silly. Don't be silly.

[Guy]

What I don't care about is your squabble with the Wardens over something so trivial. What I do care about is making sure that Cormac doesn't get off easy with the bullshit he spews. It's that simple. There's no dialogue to have, that was made sure five months ago.

You don't care about what's going on between us and TGW yet you came to this thread and posted on that very topic. You actually came here to go "I don't have a strong opinion on this really: and that opinion is I don't care." What you're essentially saying here is that your primary focus is to go after Cormac, which is the kind of thing you shouldn't post if you're hoping to achieve anything at all. You're letting him know you're coming, and also letting everyone else know that they could completely ignore your posts and get the same amount of information out of the thread.

I mean, that's just silly. Don't be silly.

A strong statement by Lazarus against the invader subversives which prowl the game

This is hilarious from you, of all people.

In regard to the actual statement, "Raider with no connection to Lazarus, a defender region, would like to see a coup there" is hardly news at 11. I hope Lazarus isn't actually expecting other regions to care about this, but if you are, let me be clear: Osiris doesn't. Not a bit.

[The Dourian Embassy]

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There's no way for me to respond to how those are different situations without derailing this thread by talking about an incident that doesn't involve Osiris. You had to know that when you posted, though, right?

[Guy]

*snip*

There's no way for me to respond to how those are different situations without derailing this thread by talking about an incident that doesn't involve Osiris. You had to know that when you posted, though, right?

If you are imputing I wanted to get you in trouble, I had any foresight of that possibility, nor do I want you to get in trouble.

The point was merely that Gameplayers tend to talk a lot of shit, even when they "don't care". And a rather ironic example at that.

[New Rogernomics]

[...]I cared about Osiris until Osiris became something not worth caring about, and not at all what it used to be.[...]

I didn't like the people in it too much when it started out, and there wasn't really a golden age before Cormac either. Or maybe it was just the theme?

Osiris was essentially the play-thing of a small group for a while, then they left or lost influence, and so on.

Though I haven't visited Osiris for ages, so I wouldn't know whether it is better or not under Cormac.

[Zaolat]

[...]I cared about Osiris until Osiris became something not worth caring about, and not at all what it used to be.[...]

I didn't like the people in it too much when it started out

T_T

[Eluvia]

Last Minor update, three soldiers from the Sekhmet Legion of the Brosiris Fraternal Order and two soldiers from The Black Hawks moved into the region of Spanish Kingdom with absolutely no defender opposition.

Participants in the operation as are follows:

From Osiris:

Field Commander Yuno
Soldier Transdavisia (point, trigger)
Soldier Rax

From The Black Hawks:

Gugmuwon
August

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Hail Osiris! Hail the Pharaoh!

[We Are Not the NSA]

Congratulations and good luck.

[Cormactopia II]

Congratulations and good luck.

Thanks! We held on at major because the Grey Wardens, et al. missed, despite our point man having only nine endorsements at update.

Shout out to Firehelm, HYDRA Command, and Lone Wolves United for providing update support at major, and once again to The Black Hawks for continuing to support.

[Olevsky]

Congratulations and good luck.

Thanks! We held on at major because the Grey Wardens, et al. missed, despite our point man having only nine endorsements at update.

Shout out to Firehelm, HYDRA Command, and Lone Wolves United for providing update support at major, and once again to The Black Hawks for continuing to support.

Hey man, thanks for the fun tonight!

Scardino really helped us out so that we wouldn't have another misstep. Hope you're well.

[Cormactopia II]

Hey man, thanks for the fun tonight!

Scardino really helped us out so that we wouldn't have another misstep. Hope you're well.

What's remarkable is that it took you two updates, given the endorsement count. I take it Thomas hasn't been around much to hold your hands at update.

[Olevsky]

Hey man, thanks for the fun tonight!

Scardino really helped us out so that we wouldn't have another misstep. Hope you're well.

What's remarkable is that it took you two updates, given the endorsement count. I take it Thomas hasn't been around much to hold your hands at update.

Hey, can you blame us? We wanted to wait for your Marshal General to abandon holding your occupation to invade an active foundered region for LWU.

See ya around!

[Cormactopia II]

Hey, can you blame us? We wanted to wait for your Marshal General to abandon holding your occupation to invade an active foundered region for LWU.

See ya around!

Spanish Kingdom was something for the Legion to do on a bored minor update, which turned into another update of watching the Wardens fail, and then another update of watching the Wardens not even try. Finally, on the third update, you succeeded, surprising only in that it took you so long.

It was never a high priority. Every founderless region isn't vitally important to us, we aren't defenders. Most raids are just something to do.

[Cormactopia II]

Something Still Stirs

Address from the Pharaoh of the Osiris Fraternal Order
to Commemorate the Fifth Anniversary of the Creation of Osiris

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"Something stirs..." This was the first World Factbook Entry of Osiris, established when Osiris was created shortly after the major update on 19 October 2011. We shared this WFE with our ally Balder, which was created alongside Osiris, and as we celebrate our fifth anniversary today we also celebrate the anniversary and venerable history of our twin Sinker. It is important today, on the fifth anniversary of the creation of our region, to understand where we came from so we may better understand where we are going and what we can achieve together. Our fifth anniversary gives us an opportunity to celebrate our roots, our five years of history that have paved the way for the strong, united community we enjoy today.

The first post on our Regional Message Board came from Revert. Revert was also the first World Assembly nation in Osiris and our first immigrant. He remains with us today, a reminder that many Osirans have worked to make this region a home for many years, some since the very beginning.

Kanoshii was the first nation re-founded in Osiris. Although no longer with us, Kanoshii reminds us that Osiris is here for all its residents, above all for those returning to NationStates -- whether they're here only a short time or remain with us for years, whether they just answer issues or get more involved.

The first Delegate of Osiris was Sichuan Pepper, representing TITO, the military force of 10000 Islands. She held the Delegacy of Osiris until fair elections could be conducted. She reminds us that we have always had allies and friends who have stood for our sovereignty and self-determination.

The first Pharaoh of Osiris was Zaolat, elected on-site by residents of Osiris. He too remains with us today, and his service is a reminder of the dedication we should expect from our Pharaoh, that he or she should put Osiris and the needs of the Osiran community first, above all else.

Our first regional constitution was the Book of the Dead, which established our first regional government, the Kemetic Republic of Osiris. Dalimbar, who is also still with us today, was the first Pharaoh of the Kemetic Republic. The initial days of our first regional government remind us that Osirans were united then as now, with a common purpose to maintain a strong community and a government to serve its needs. The final days of that first regional government remind us that regions must continually grow and evolve beyond their roots, that we must not be afraid to embrace change and welcome new ideas, and that the sole purpose of regional government is to meet the needs of the regional community.

Five years later, something still stirs in Osiris. Six months after we once again embraced change and welcomed new ideas, the community of Osiris has exceeded all expectations. We have shattered activity records on our regional forum and have promoted greater communication via our regional Discord server. We have achieved more than two hundred endorsements for our Delegate for the first time in years, making the Pharaoh of Osiris the highest endorsed Sinker Delegate. We have welcomed back veteran players and moved past old grievances, we have embraced newcomers who want to make their home in Osiris, and we have seen a healthy blend of veteran and newer players in our government. We have stood shoulder to shoulder with longtime allies and made new alliances, proving ourselves to be reliable partners for those who stand with us. We have defied every negative prognostication, proven our naysayers wrong, and endured when so many expected failure. We have done this because we are Osirans, and this is what Osirans do.

While today we have much to celebrate, this is also a day for reflection. Reflecting on the past five years, we see a reluctance to forgive and move forward after the conflicts that have darkened our region from time to time -- the growing pains many major regions endure in their first few years. We should not only know and celebrate our history, we should learn from it. It has been demonstrated, time and again, that the community of Osiris is a family, a brotherhood, and that we are stronger when all of our brothers and sisters are with us. We may bicker, we may brawl, we may even storm out or ask a rowdy brother to leave for a while. But it is only temporary. What is truly lasting is the bond between us. In recognition of this basic understanding of what it means to be Osiran, every Osiran who was involved in the conflict six months ago is granted unconditional amnesty and is invited to return to Osiris and fully participate in citizenship. We want you to enjoy the community we have built together, a community that would not have been possible without the effort many of you put into preceding governments and institutions. We want you to come home.

Five years ago, something stirred. It is a credit to our community, to everyone who has contributed throughout our history, that something still stirs here today. We have given much to the world and to the many who have called our region home over these past five years. Our friends and our detractors both must admit that we have made an indelible mark. Let us strive together to make a still greater mark and to build an ever stronger and more united community over these next five years. It is my privilege to serve as Pharaoh of Osiris on our fifth anniversary, and it will be my privilege to see what is still stirring in this community five years from now. May Osiris continue to surprise us, and may we continue to surprise each other.

[Flanderlion]

Happy anniversary both Osiris and Balder, here is to many, many more. Great speech, well written. Did Kanoshii refound and vanish, or did he stick around before vanishing into the sands of time?

[Sandaoguo]

*Ctrl-F* "coup"

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"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
- George Santayana

[Cormactopia II]

Happy anniversary both Osiris and Balder, here is to many, many more. Great speech, well written. Did Kanoshii refound and vanish, or did he stick around before vanishing into the sands of time?

I'm honestly not sure. That he was the first nation re-founded in Osiris wouldn't even have been recorded if not for Warzone Codger recording it on our RMB at the time.

*Ctrl-F* "coup"

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"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
- George Santayana

Out of curiosity, what did you expect or want this address to say about coups?

[LollerLand]

Happy anniversary Osiris and Balder!

[Ikania]

I don't know, maybe something along these lines:

Regarding couping, whatever crappy track records I may have on other matters, I have never supported a coup against a Feeder or Sinker. I have opposed every coup that has been perpetrated against a Feeder or Sinker during my time in NationStates, including the NPO coup against Lazarus. There's no reason to believe I would coup and every reason to believe I wouldn't, but I know I won't convince anyone who is predisposed to thinking I'm bad news, so that's all I have to say on the matter.

It's great to talk about how lovely your region's community is when you're perfectly willing to throw it out the window and build a new one in your image when it's anything but your own echo chamber.

[Cormactopia II]

Happy anniversary Osiris and Balder!

Thank you!

I don't know, maybe something along these lines:

Regarding couping, whatever crappy track records I may have on other matters, I have never supported a coup against a Feeder or Sinker. I have opposed every coup that has been perpetrated against a Feeder or Sinker during my time in NationStates, including the NPO coup against Lazarus. There's no reason to believe I would coup and every reason to believe I wouldn't, but I know I won't convince anyone who is predisposed to thinking I'm bad news, so that's all I have to say on the matter.

It's great to talk about how lovely your region's community is when you're perfectly willing to throw it out the window and build a new one in your image when it's anything but your own echo chamber.

I have no idea why that quote keeps being brought up. At the time I said it, it was true; I had never supported a coup d'etat against a Feeder or Sinker, and had opposed coups in the South Pacific and Lazarus. That quote is now brought up as if I was somehow lying because of actions that took place quite some time later, due to circumstances I could not possibly have foreseen. That quote has absolutely no relevance to anything, anytime it's brought up.

Regarding the community of Osiris, it's unfortunate you can't acknowledge that our community is now much more fun, cooperative, and enjoyable than it was in April or had been for quite some time before that. By any metric, that's just obvious to anyone without your heavy bias. If you're asking us to feel bad that our community is now stronger, more united, and that people in Osiris can actually enjoy participating in Osiris, because it wasn't accomplished according to your so-called "democratic" ideology, we aren't going to do that. It's very clear now that the transitional government in April was the right thing to do for Osiris' community. It's too bad you can't put aside your commitment to fake principles in a browser game and come participate in a much more enjoyable community. But the invitation still stands if you change your mind.

[Ikania]

Regarding the community of Osiris, it's unfortunate you can't acknowledge that our community is now much more fun, cooperative, and enjoyable than it was in April or had been for quite some time before that. By any metric, that's just obvious to anyone without your heavy bias. If you're asking us to feel bad that our community is now stronger, more united, and that people in Osiris can actually enjoy participating in Osiris, because it wasn't accomplished according to your so-called "democratic" ideology, we aren't going to do that. It's very clear now that the transitional government in April was the right thing to do for Osiris' community. It's too bad you can't put aside your commitment to fake principles in a browser game and come participate in a much more enjoyable community. But the invitation still stands if you change your mind.

People in Osiris
Osiris' community

Read: The people and community that are comfortable living without the right to protest their government or get a say in their leader.

The second they turn against you, you won't hesitate to kick them out to keep your throne and your power. I'm sure you're very proud of this active and thriving community you've built- until they dare lift a finger against you.

And to those of you Osirans who weren't there to witness it as it happened, believe me, he will have no second thoughts.

I will not participate in that charade. Others are free to, much as I may discourage it. I won't judge you one bit, especially if you don't have the first-hand experience of falling under a dictatorship from what was a thriving democracy before smear campaigns, lies and opportunism became the new norm. Go on, have your thriving activity like we had, you have and will have. But see what happens when you challenge his authority. I'm perfectly content to stay in another thriving sinker, Lazarus, where at least I know I'm free.

[Sygian II]

It's great to talk about how lovely your region's community is when you're perfectly willing to throw it out the window and build a new one in your image when it's anything but your own echo chamber.

Ikania, you've exhibited that you really don't enjoy reading long updates, particularly those of the OFO, so let me sum it up for you!

We have shattered activity records on our regional forum and have promoted greater communication via our regional Discord server.

We have achieved more than two hundred endorsements for our Delegate for the first time in years

the Pharaoh of Osiris [is] the highest endorsed Sinker Delegate.

welcomed back veteran players and moved past old grievances

embraced newcomers who want to make their home in Osiris, and we have

seen a healthy blend of veteran and newer players in our government.

We have stood shoulder to shoulder with longtime allies and

made new alliances

We have defied every negative prognostication, proven our naysayers wrong, and endured when so many expected failure.

We have done this because we are Osirans, and this is what Osirans do.

You're welcome. I see you've buddied up with the Wardens after a long period of disrespect and hatred toward them. And you're one to talk about bad change.

[Flanderlion]

This is a celebration about Osiris (and Balder) turning 5. Not some place to vent about how Cormac is an evil homophobic nazi. If you don't want to participate in Osiris, don't. Show Osiris that the grass is greener in wherever you end up, or better still, move on. Playing the role of the crazed old cat woman in the community meeting isn't one that ends well.

[Cormactopia II]

People in Osiris
Osiris' community

Read: The people and community that are comfortable living without the right to protest their government or get a say in their leader.

This just demonstrates how little you actually know about the community and government of Osiris. The Heir Apparent, who will eventually succeed to the office of Pharaoh, must first be confirmed by the Council of Scribes, our all-citizen legislature, as well as the Council of Guardians. Neo Kervoskia, who will be the next Pharaoh when I eventually abdicate, was unanimously confirmed by citizens of Osiris.

Anyone in Osiris is free to raise issues regarding the government. What seems to bother you is that they aren't, because they like their government. I suppose, in your view, regional communities should be contentious and constantly at odds with each other, so it will be easier for people like you to gain undeserved power based on factional politicking.

The second they turn against you, you won't hesitate to kick them out to keep your throne and your power. I'm sure you're very proud of this active and thriving community you've built- until they dare lift a finger against you.

And to those of you Osirans who weren't there to witness it as it happened, believe me, he will have no second thoughts.

I will not participate in that charade. Others are free to, much as I may discourage it. I won't judge you one bit, especially if you don't have the first-hand experience of falling under a dictatorship from what was a thriving democracy before smear campaigns, lies and opportunism became the new norm. Go on, have your thriving activity like we had, you have and will have. But see what happens when you challenge his authority. I'm perfectly content to stay in another thriving sinker, Lazarus, where at least I know I'm free.

It's amusing to me to see you talk about Osiris like you know anything about it. You have been a citizen of Osiris exactly twice. The first time was in 2014; you became a citizen in hopes that the war between Osiris and Lazarus would see you and your friends installed as the new government of Lazarus, and when it was clear that wasn't going to happen, you threw Osiris under the bus and left to interfere in other Feeders and Sinkers and try to convert them to the "democratic" gospel of Ikania. You did not return until 28 March 2016, and did not even post again after gaining citizenship until 15 April 2016, when you joined the legislature to support your friend, The Almighty Jesus Whale, and to be appointed to his cabinet despite doing absolutely nothing in Osiris to warrant appointment. That was three days before the republic was dissolved and the transitional government established.

You weren't "there to witness it as it happened." You weren't involved in Osiris at all, for nearly two years, until just days before the conflict you helped cause reached a point of no return. There was no "thriving democracy" in Osiris, no "thriving activity." Osiris had spent months in inactivity, which was interrupted only by the toxic internal conflict that resulted from the April election for Pharaoh. From August 2015 until April 2016, only one month, January 2016, saw post counts higher than a thousand posts. The legislature had been virtually dead until the April election started. The executive government was doing almost nothing, across multiple terms. The Almighty Jesus Whale, whom your faction sought to install as Pharaoh, had accumulated only 239 forum posts over the course of two years, most of which consisted of "Aye," "Nay," or "Abstain."

This picture you paint of a "thriving democracy" is simply a lie. The republic you claim to love so much, but in which you never actually participated in any meaningful way, failed Osiris in every conceivable way, by every conceivable metric, and was the second republican government to do so. Republicanism is dead in Osiris. No one misses it, because people like having a cooperative and active community and a functional government. It's unfortunate that you prefer dysfunction as the lazy path to gaining power, rather than advancing through merit and cooperation with your regionmates. Hopefully those who made actual contributions to Osiris during the second republican era will feel otherwise and will accept our invitation to be part of our much stronger, more active, and more cooperative community and government. It doesn't matter that it isn't a cookie cutter republic. It matters that it works.