Illegal Script Usage "Predator": Punishments

[We Are Not the NSA]

I would like to inquire as to the nature of Texasa/Boscovs' affiliation with DEN. Specifically, what was his rank?

Furthermore, what evidence has been accumulated thus far to show that Texasa was involved in the use of the Predator script?

To answer your first question, he was a private. For the second, the answer is his confession, which was clearly made under duress. There is almost a 0% chance he actually used Predator.

[Ovybia]

I would like to inquire as to the nature of Texasa/Boscovs' affiliation with DEN. Specifically, what was his rank?

Furthermore, what evidence has been accumulated thus far to show that Texasa was involved in the use of the Predator script?

To answer your first question, he was a private. For the second, the answer is his confession, which was clearly made under duress. There is almost a 0% chance he actually used Predator.

He told me he was a DEN officer.

[Zaolat]

To answer your first question, he was a private. For the second, the answer is his confession, which was clearly made under duress. There is almost a 0% chance he actually used Predator.

He told me he was a DEN officer.

Probably to look better?

[We Are Not the NSA]

To answer your first question, he was a private. For the second, the answer is his confession, which was clearly made under duress. There is almost a 0% chance he actually used Predator.

He told me he was a DEN officer.

According to DEN's old forum he joined on February 4th and was declared inactive in DEN's War Academy thread by March 8th. He is listed as a private, has made a total of 2 forum posts and never listed a Skype name. As far as I can tell he never actually participated in anything further than piling in an occupation, and I can't even find anything that can confirm whether he did or not.

[RiderSyl]

To answer your first question, he was a private. For the second, the answer is his confession, which was clearly made under duress. There is almost a 0% chance he actually used Predator.

He told me he was a DEN officer.

Then he was lying to you.

[Drasnia]

I think a better analogy to Texasa's situation would be Miranda v. Arizona.

[Stellonia]

He told me he was a DEN officer.

Probably to look better?

Maybe, However, I'd like to note that his posts suggest a poor command of the English language, so I wouldn't rule out the possibility that he doesn't understand the exact meaning of the word "Officer."

He told me he was a DEN officer.

According to DEN's old forum he joined on February 4th and was declared inactive in DEN's War Academy thread by March 8th. He is listed as a private, has made a total of 2 forum posts and never listed a Skype name. As far as I can tell he never actually participated in anything further than piling in an occupation, and I can't even find anything that can confirm whether he did or not.

Could you share his posts with us?

[General Knot]

Could you share his posts with us?

There's nothing of note. One of them is an introduction post and the other is his application.

[Stellonia]

Could you share his posts with us?

There's nothing of note. One of them is an introduction post and the other is his application.

Both would serve as evidence, especially the former.

[Guy]

Stellonia, I do not believe you are a mod. It's not for you to prosecute (or review) this matter.

@Everyone else: Can I just point out that the Mods are, by now, well-aware of the possibility that Texasia has never actually used Predator (despite his confession)? They are no doubt already discussing it.

And obviously, as obvious as this should be, if this wasn't obvious, don't confess to stuff you haven't done, especially not via GHR. The mods are volunteers, and so I don't think they would check admissions or confessions for their truthfulness.

[Stellonia]

Stellonia, I do not believe you are a mod. It's not for you to prosecute (or review) this matter.

The government of Right to Life has announced its intentions to prosecute Texasa for this incident and for other violations of regional law. The evidence I am seeking might be useful for the judge who will hear RTL v. Texasa.

[Zacherie]

The government of Right to Life has <snip> and for other violations of regional law. The evidence I am seeking might be useful for the judge who will hear RTL v. Texasa.

We're not your personal investigators, and this is not a news thread for your region. You got your answer, he was a no-name in DEN who made two posts

One of them is an introduction post and the other is his application.

If you absolutely have to know exactly what he said, why not TG this kind individual asking for the plaintext.

[The Dourian Embassy]

Let's suppose Tex was able to enlist the help of others to help make his appeal look nice to increase his chances of success.

It probably wouldn't look like a legitimate first-person appeal, but might appear like a third-person appeal.

Why "probably"? I mean I admit that's a genuine possibility if whoever helps the guy is boneheaded, but that seems unlikely. But even if it does look like a third person appeal it wouldn't matter: first of all the moderators are at least partially aware of the circumstances here, so they'd understand why. But beyond that, why would that even be an issue if they were not aware of the circumstances?

I don't even know why you've decided to argue that in the first place. Do you genuinely believe that someone who can't tell the difference between NS++ and Predator will be better off writing their own appeal without anyone to help them?

[Christian Democrats]

For the second, the answer is his confession, which was clearly made under duress.

There wasn't any duress. He volunteered a confession out of the blue.

I repeat my statement that "everything that [Texasa] says should be taken with a grain of salt."

[We Are Not the NSA]

For the second, the answer is his confession, which was clearly made under duress.

There wasn't any duress. He volunteered a confession out of the blue.

I repeat my statement that "everything that [Texasa] says should be taken with a grain of salt."

By "duress" I meant while he was confused. Suppose I could have phrased that better.

[Guy]

Stellonia, I do not believe you are a mod. It's not for you to prosecute (or review) this matter.

The government of Right to Life has announced its intentions to prosecute Texasa for this incident and for other violations of regional law. The evidence I am seeking might be useful for the judge who will hear RTL v. Texasa.

This is fine.

The issue is that this is a thread for moderator punishments -- I think RTL regional law, and investigations in furtherance thereof, are a bit out of the scope here. Of course, I'm play-modding myself right now, but I think if it's to everyone's advantage if we separate the two matters.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Can I just suggest to you folks who know this guy that you help this fellow write the appeal? If these circumstances are as you say it seems like that'll help solve the problem.

This would be quite helpful. Keep in mind though that the punished player is the one who must submit the GHR.

[Luziyca]

Let's suppose Tex was able to enlist the help of others to help make his appeal look nice to increase his chances of success.

It probably wouldn't look like a legitimate first-person appeal, but might appear like a third-person appeal.

Why "probably"? I mean I admit that's a genuine possibility if whoever helps the guy is boneheaded, but that seems unlikely. But even if it does look like a third person appeal it wouldn't matter: first of all the moderators are at least partially aware of the circumstances here, so they'd understand why. But beyond that, why would that even be an issue if they were not aware of the circumstances?

I don't even know why you've decided to argue that in the first place. Do you genuinely believe that someone who can't tell the difference between NS++ and Predator will be better off writing their own appeal without anyone to help them?

I'm sure the mods would be more likely to believe that it is a first-person appeal if he writes up the GHR himself than if others help write up the GHR.

[Drasnia]

Why "probably"? I mean I admit that's a genuine possibility if whoever helps the guy is boneheaded, but that seems unlikely. But even if it does look like a third person appeal it wouldn't matter: first of all the moderators are at least partially aware of the circumstances here, so they'd understand why. But beyond that, why would that even be an issue if they were not aware of the circumstances?

I don't even know why you've decided to argue that in the first place. Do you genuinely believe that someone who can't tell the difference between NS++ and Predator will be better off writing their own appeal without anyone to help them?

I'm sure the mods would be more likely to believe that it is a first-person appeal if he writes up the GHR himself than if others help write up the GHR.

See Mal's post above

[Ayvari]

Stellonia, I do not believe you are a mod. It's not for you to prosecute (or review) this matter.

The government of Right to Life has announced its intentions to prosecute Texasa for this incident and for other violations of regional law. The evidence I am seeking might be useful for the judge who will hear RTL v. Texasa.

That's ridiculous. The kid has no idea what Predator is. It's partially RTL's fault this happened for helping him think he broke site rules and got his main DEAT and WA banned. I should think you owe him better than a trial for putting him through this.

[Sedgistan]

It's possible that Moderation has failed to punish some Predator users - there was a lot of data to digest, and people could have been missed. Texasa sent us a confession to using it; we asked for clarification on this, and they confirmed the details. The wording of his subsequent appeal hasn't helped his case.

If he truly didn't use Predator, and struggles with written English as much as people have suggested, then he really does need some assistance in crafting a coherent and accurate GHR appeal.

[Christian Democrats]

It's partially RTL's fault this happened for helping him think he broke site rules and got his main DEAT and WA banned.

If you actually read the thread where he confesses, he's the first person to use the word "Predator," so I'm not sure how anybody else put the idea into his head. It was truly information given spontaneously (OED: performed or occurring as a result of a sudden inner impulse or inclination and without premeditation or external stimulus).

I should think you owe him better than a trial for putting him through this.

It's not really relevant to this thread, but Right to Life common law incorporates NationStates rules. Every time that a region member commits a serious violation of NationStates rules, the regional judiciary gives him a similar punishment on the offsite forums.

Texasa sent us a confession to using it; we asked for clarification on this, and they confirmed the details.

Well, that's interesting.

If he truly didn't use Predator, and struggles with written English as much as people have suggested, then he really does need some assistance in crafting a coherent and accurate GHR appeal.

It's not English with which he struggles. See my earlier post: viewtopic.php?p=28911080#p28911080

[Queen Yuno]

If he used Predator, which raids did he do? NONE. I've never seen him raiding in DEN. if he 'escaped DEN' and ran to Right to Life..do you think he used Predator then? >_>"

But innocent get punished -.-

[Libetarian Republics]

This seems to be a case of serious miscommunications between the player, RTL officials, and moderation. A proper, coherent clarifications amongst the three can probably rectify this situation.

[Christian Democrats]

If he used Predator, which raids did he do? NONE. I've never seen him raiding in DEN. if he 'escaped DEN' and ran to Right to Life..do you think he used Predator then? >_>"

His application for the Right to Life Army was incoherent, so I never accepted it. "Texasa" wasn't his persona in DEN.

This seems to be a case of serious miscommunications between the player, RTL officials, and moderation. A proper, coherent clarifications amongst the three can probably rectify this situation.

I agree. I'm curious what Sedge means when he says that Texasa "confirmed details" about Predator. It's impossible for anyone to help Texasa write an appeal until we know what he told the moderators. If he wants help, he'll have to share that information.