Grand Central

[Evil Wolf]

Correct. However, the example of the 2012 invasion of Stargate involving The Black Hawks does not pertain to the claim above. It was put forth to raise the rhetorical question of TBH "violating" Raider Unity by disrespecting a treaty signed into effect by Evil Wolf.

For clarification, I did not sign any such treaty. Blue Wolf II, Delegate of The North Pacific signed that treaty (and yes, I know what my Commend says but whatevva, whatevva, I do what I want).

TNP isn't exactly a "raider region" that can be classed as being part of raider unity and indeed has never claimed to support or openly supported Raider Unity in the past.

I would dispute any claim that a "violation", if that's such a thing, occurred.

[RiderSyl]

To be honest I've attempted raids on Grand Central in the past, but never got enough support to coup Ugg Lands. I was going to raid it for fun, not to destroy what was left of my former home. Kurosaki and Avakael should remember my attempts.

I doubt you and Kurosaki are good friends.

[General Knot]

Correct. However, the example of the 2012 invasion of Stargate involving The Black Hawks does not pertain to the claim above. It was put forth to raise the rhetorical question of TBH "violating" Raider Unity by disrespecting a treaty signed into effect by Evil Wolf.

For clarification, I did not sign any such treaty. Blue Wolf II, Delegate of The North Pacific signed that treaty (and yes, I know what my Commend says but whatevva, whatevva, I do what I want).

TNP isn't exactly a "raider region" that can be classed as being part of raider unity and indeed has never claimed to support or openly supported Raider Unity in the past.

I would dispute any claim that a "violation", if that's such a thing, occurred.

Exactly.

[The Redoubt]

What I'm not sure of is why 2012 is even a topic of conversation. I don't think anyone has faulted GC becuase it's a TNP ally, at least beyond the fact that the implications have trickled down to mean a lower endo count on another raider operation. The point of contention is Mall's invovlement, which is entirely post that fact.

[95 block]

To be honest I've attempted raids on Grand Central in the past, but never got enough support to coup Ugg Lands. I was going to raid it for fun, not to destroy what was left of my former home. Kurosaki and Avakael should remember my attempts.

I doubt you and Kurosaki are good friends.

We were good friends at one point. I haven't talked to him in sometime, but to my knowledge we are on good terms as it's never been made clear by him that we aren't.

The Grand Central Regiment has some maturing and experience gaining to do, that's for sure. I look forward to the infamy it may achieve in its wake of raids.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Just to be clear, I really don't mind the visit from Grand Central as long as they don't try to refound the place. Our old delegate has CTE, and with him went our run at the longest delegate streak. While I still am in the region and care about it, a raid here or there won't hurt us.

[95 block]

Just to be clear, I really don't mind the visit from Grand Central as long as they don't try to refound the place. Our old delegate has CTE, and with him went our run at the longest delegate streak. While I still am in the region and care about it, a raid here or there won't hurt us.

Thanks I appreciate that Bro! Grand Central raids are fun orientated, and we don't intend to refound regions unless we are provoked to do so. I'm sure that if GC or anyone else for that matter raids Stargate, that you and the other natives will host a smashing party for us. We will bring the booze that Brightonburg sends us from time to time. It'll be a blast.

[Plagentine]

People get so preachy and moralistic about a text based 14 year old marketing tool lol

Moralistic aspects aside, a lot things have sentimental value to people, so what if for some that sentiment is held in a page on a website. As you say, it's a 14 year old marketing tool, that means that some of these people have potentially 14 years of sentimental value built up in places, and hell even a few years is quite a lot. You're telling me you've had nothing ever hold sentimental value to you before? Yeah, feel free to preach your "We'll hit what we want", as Xoriet says we Defenders don't mind your infighting nor what is apparently at least a partial collapse of raider unity one bit, but at least be able to recognize why people get attached to these regions.

Afterall, I remember quite well when even people from the more "purist" end of your faction were whining rather loudly that DEN and Cimmeria lost all of their trophies that they were holding. Aren't those just pieces of HTML and CSS?

Uh, yeah,them holding trophies is more of a way to project power. I imagine thatsthe only reason they were pissed. That and having their HQ fucked. But there's nothing that indicates they held much sentiment, but feel free to look around for posts. Being sentimental about the time you once spent in the region and its community is fine,but any empty region is nothing but a name. A husk that once held a community. No reasons to be sentimental about a page. Or is that more important than its former members that you had fun with? Whatever floats your boat, but im still going to keep playing the way i always have, and i remain of the mind that many people take this game way too seriously and put too much value in it.

[RiderSyl]

i remain of the mind that many people take this game way too seriously and put too much value in it.

Sure, but if you claim you've never fallen into that category yourself at one point or another, you're a dirty liar.

[Plagentine]

i remain of the mind that many people take this game way too seriously and put too much value in it.

Sure, but if you claim you've never fallen into that category yourself at one point or another, you're a dirty liar.

Feel free to provide an example

In any case, i'm starting to threadjack and my point has obviously been sent across, so i'll stop.

[Benevolent Thomas]

Grand Central is a region where you can come and chill. We are welcoming to all kinds of people and just want to have fun.

All kinds of people indeed, even known deviants like Nuke.

[Ayvari]

Grand Central is a region where you can come and chill. We are welcoming to all kinds of people and just want to have fun.

All kinds of people indeed, even known deviants like Nuke.

It's okay, BT, I'm sure they put careful consideration into it and know exactly what they're doing. And I'm sure they'll accept the consequences if the gamble they took doesn't pay off. After all, they must have excellent justification for such a decision. They wouldn't take a risk without a contingency plan, right?

[Lord Ravenclaw]

<snorts>

You're giving them too much credit.

Perhaps Grand Central needs to stop being "so welcoming" and start looking out for the well being of its members as a priority?

[Tim-Opolis]

As disgraceful as a choice like this is from Grand Central, it's not really surprising. I hear these days they do effectively have a policy of "They can stay until they do it here", not the best policy but do we really expect different from them?

[Five Finger Delta]

Grand Central is a region where you can come and chill. We are welcoming to all kinds of people and just want to have fun.

All kinds of people indeed, even known deviants like Nuke.

That was uncalled for. I've been off NS for nearly a year now. I didn't come back just to get involved in drama. The past is the past and I'd rather just people move on.

[Tim-Opolis]

All kinds of people indeed, even known deviants like Nuke.

That was uncalled for. I've been off NS for nearly a year now. I didn't come back just to get involved in drama. The past is the past and I'd rather just people move on.

It was most certainly called for. One's actions, particularly on that level of severity, are not something that people simply "move on" from.

[RiderSyl]

I see you're back from your vacation, Nuke. A lot has changed.

In my opinion, you should have chosen The Black Hawks or HYDRA Command.
I remember that you weren't a fan of drama. Well, Grand Central is drama central. It's the reason word of your return to NS spread so quickly.
If loose lips sink ships, GC is Atlantis.

[95 block]

Grand Central isn't drama central. Funny coming from someone in Osiris that causes drama no matter where you are. I'm glad you found some mates that will stick by you no matter what you do.

Grand Central sticks by those they accept which is everyone, unless given a reason by them not to. We truly will be the most welcoming region in Nationstates, and that is what is going to make us better than our critics.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Grand Central isn't drama central. Funny coming from someone in Osiris that causes drama no matter where you are. I'm glad you found some mates that will stick by you no matter what you do.

Grand Central sticks by those they accept which is everyone, unless given a reason by them not to. We truly will be the most welcoming region in Nationstates, and that is what is going to make us better than our critics.

Ah, so I guess that <reason omitted as so not to violate the defamation ruling, but suffice to say it's been enough to earn him several regional bans and drive other people out of regions he's in, and that it's well-documented in logs that I know GC staff was shown> isn't reason enough.

Sometime, when being welcoming makes you by effect unwelcoming to others, there are better policy choices.

[RiderSyl]

Grand Central isn't drama central.

Bullshit. Every time your chat leaks logs it's like something out of a soap opera.

Funny coming from someone in Osiris that causes drama no matter where you are.

Come on, that was the easiest dig to make, and you still managed to mess it up. "When you're in Osiris, no matter what place you're in, there's drama". What the hell. 0/10.

I'm glad you found some mates that will stick by you no matter what you do.

Right, 'cause I'm the one that's outlandish, not you.

Grand Central sticks by those they accept which is everyone, unless given a reason by them not to. We truly will be the most welcoming region in Nationstates, and that is what is going to make us better than our critics.

Your "Most Welcoming" bullshit is NOT a fucking positive anymore. You just accepted in Feuer Ritter, having to overrule your Stationmaster. Feuer Ritter collaborated with a DoS and exposed who else did, leading to Halcones and Bob Moran's deletions. And I would break the site's rules for listing the other reason Feuer Ritter is toxic to a community since I'd be "accusing him of a crime", but that shit has been well documented off-site and you know about it already. But you let him in anyway, because you want to be the most welcoming? Well congratulations.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if you'll be "welcoming" in DoS players in next. If you do, and you get caught, I won't shed a tear, because at this point, Grand Central just needs to die.

[Dark Robes]

Grand Central isn't drama central.

Bullshit. Every time your chat leaks logs it's like something out of a soap opera.

It's a Game of Train Seats. Who shall sit in the Conductor's Throne?

Ridersyl, your continued attack on Grand Central is unjustified. The majority of Grand Central citizens oppose the granting of citizenship of Feuer and Nuke. The majority of Grand Central citizens aren't former DEN members as well. Take me for an instance.

When we look at our most active members, a minority are former DEN. Our Grand Council only has one ex-DEN member on it. Yep, must be DEN's successor.

[Cormactopia II]

It's a Game of Train Seats. Who shall sit in the Conductor's Throne?

Ridersyl, your continued attack on Grand Central is unjustified. The majority of Grand Central citizens oppose the granting of citizenship of Feuer and Nuke. The majority of Grand Central citizens aren't former DEN members as well. Take me for an instance.

When we look at our most active members, a minority are former DEN. Our Grand Council only has one ex-DEN member on it. Yep, must be DEN's successor.

I don't think anyone means to say that every citizen of Grand Central is responsible for the actions so many of us are finding unacceptable. Grand Central's leadership and forum administration are responsible. While Grand Central may claim that 95 Block doesn't speak for the region and his words and actions aren't representative of the region, there is no question that Stationmaster Festavo does speak for and represent Grand Central, and he is among those insisting that Nuke should continue to be welcome in Grand Central. Even with so many citizens outspokenly opposed to Nuke and Feuer Ritter, the bottom line is they are still there. Grand Central's leaders and forum administrators aren't addressing the concerns of their citizens about a very serious matter.

The reason some feel that Grand Central is the successor to The Black Riders and DEN has nothing to do with the overall composition of Grand Central's citizenry and everything to do with regional leaders taking this particular train down the same perilous tracks that The Black Riders and DEN traveled. Osiris hopes the citizens of Grand Central can make a course correction, if your leaders and forum administrators will even allow that.

[Soames]

The debate over the presence of these users in our region carries profound implications. Our region will work through this destabilizing controversy through internal mechanisms. We certainly don't need foreign leaders like Cormac inflaming the issue.

[Cormactopia II]

The debate over the presence of these users in our region carries profound implications. Our region will work through this destabilizing controversy through internal mechanisms. We certainly don't need foreign leaders like Cormac inflaming the issue.

Get used to it. Do outrageous things that affect not only your citizens, but also our own, and you can expect a response from Osiris. I expect the same is true for much of the interregional community.

[Soames]

The debate over the presence of these users in our region carries profound implications. Our region will work through this destabilizing controversy through internal mechanisms. We certainly don't need foreign leaders like Cormac inflaming the issue.

Get used to it. Do outrageous things that affect not only your citizens, but also our own, and you can expect a response from Osiris. I expect the same is true for much of the interregional community.

Oh, your poor, poor citizens, Cormac. Let me play an overture, because I'm sure the turmoil in your region is equivalent to ours. And don't jump to any conclusions. This matter is unsettled. We don't know if they're staying or not.