The NS Independent: [Episode II] Regarding Hogwarts

[Benjamin Henrikson]

So because raiders hypthetically hit their wives, defenders should hit them to show how hitting wives is a bad thing?!?

[United RussoAsia]

Raiders don't hit their wives, hypothetically or otherwise.

They aren't married to natives.

[The Silver Sentinel]

The real question is who will snipe the refound.

Do you really have that little faith? I am disappointed.

So because raiders hypthetically hit their wives, defenders should hit them to show how hitting wives is a bad thing?!?

Usually the wife's brother(s) if they exist, take care of that.

[Nymphadora Tonks]

"Liberated" and given to whom, my dear friend Tim?

We've been down this road before. LWU are the natives of Hogwarts, any other natives from years ago CTE'd quite some time ago and are not coming back. So who are these Fendas "liberating" this region for?

It seems to be that the Fendas are arguing that no one who calls themselves an invader can hold any region as a native, even if it's their own region.

Defenders are incapable of recognizing Raiders as sovereign. Hogwarts is nothing but a trophy to them. If they so desire it, they may have it. It was a memorial to LSD and Tabaqui, both individuals who backstabbed Lone Wolves United and lost or took Hogwarts for their selfish purposes. Perhaps we are better off passing what is best considered a stigma to Defenders, whose precious morals are never going to extend to Raiders. Expecting them to recognize us as anything but targets for their vengeful and two-sided natures is futile. At least Raiders do not hold double standards on regional residency.

[Trembles]

I refounded it first.

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[Ramaeus]

It was a memorial to LSD and Tabaqui, both individuals who backstabbed Lone Wolves United and lost or took Hogwarts for their selfish purposes.

To add on to this: Tabaqui aka Babiana was banned from The East Pacific after trying to blackmail and bully Xoriet. He was not, in any realistic way, a person who should be memorialized, although it is fitting that he is in the company of Frak. Defenders, enjoy your memorial to Frak and Babiana.

In regards to EPSA's participation in Hogwarts: we don't raid with defenders.

[The Church of Satan]

The way I see it, raiders don't respect the sovereignty of other regions. In fact they act as if other regions exist only so that they may destroy them. So why should we, as defenders, treat them any better than they treat the countless regions of natives that have either quit NS or been displaced and scattered? I don't know about other defenders, but I definitely don't respect the sovereignty of invaders.

[Drop Your Pants]

The real question is who will snipe the refound.

Probably you

[Equestria and Griffon]

This thread...isn't normal.

[United RussoAsia]

This thread...isn't normal.

No, it is not.

[Valrifell]

The way I see it, raiders don't respect the sovereignty of other regions. In fact they act as if other regions exist only so that they may destroy them. So why should we, as defenders, treat them any better than they treat the countless regions of natives that have either quit NS or been displaced and scattered?

Yes, otherwise you really can't claim moral superiority if said morals are going to be bent to favor ambitions of Defenderdom.

[The Agnostic Collective]

Putting aside the R/D grudge match:

At the end of the day, we can conclude that invaders are bad at defending, and that "defenders" are good at invading.

This is my favorite part of the whole article

[RiderSyl]

That's the same exact justification used by spousal abusers. "Look what you made me do! It's not my fault you can't defend yourself."
It certainly demonstrates the invader mindset with crystal clarity, doesn't it?

Comparing players in an online game to spousal abusers in real life is so very blind of you.

[Ayvari]

That's the same exact justification used by spousal abusers. "Look what you made me do! It's not my fault you can't defend yourself."
It certainly demonstrates the invader mindset with crystal clarity, doesn't it?

Comparing players in an online game to spousal abusers in real life is so very blind of you.

Having been through relationship abuse, I can back this statement up wholeheartedly. There is nothing remotely comparable. Because that isn't justification they're making, it's full-out manipulation. Emotional manipulation is the same as raider propaganda? Just no.

[Severisen]

Having read the post in moderation where you "didn't mean it like that," I would like to recommend that if you don't or didn't intend for that to be the received message, perhaps it would be better if you don't comment at all? I mean, what did it add to the discussion, Woonsocket? Go for a walk, because you're taking this game a bit too seriously at that point. Either that or you make light of spousal abuse, which is probably the worse of those two scenarios.

[Guy]

I think the point is missed: Of course invaders can be natives. But not as a result of their invasions, whose outcomes it is that defenders seek to reverse. "Territory obtained illegitimately is no territory at all". The exception may be if a bona fide community, unrelated to the invading force, had developed.

That's the same exact justification used by spousal abusers. "Look what you made me do! It's not my fault you can't defend yourself."

It certainly demonstrates the invader mindset with crystal clarity, doesn't it?

What the fuck.

[Drop Your Pants]

Yes, otherwise you really can't claim moral superiority if said morals are going to be bent to favor ambitions of Defenderdom.

Of course they can claim moral superiority, its their morals not yours. They can be whatever they want them to be

[Klaus Devestatorie]

Why don't the puny natives just get their founder to come back? Or start a new region? It's not my fault the natives can't defend themselves.

That's the same exact justification used by spousal abusers. "Look what you made me do! It's not my fault you can't defend yourself."

It certainly demonstrates the invader mindset with crystal clarity, doesn't it?

For the people who've joined Gameplay since Improving Wordiness retired, allow me to explain- this is why nobody minds that XKI keeps to themselves.

[RiderSyl]

Having read the post in moderation where you "didn't mean it like that," I would like to recommend that if you don't or didn't intend for that to be the received message, perhaps it would be better if you don't comment at all?

Speaking of that moderation thread... The first mod ruled it as a non-issue. The rape comparisons are an auto-warning and a big 'NO', but wife-beating comparisons aren't actionable, apparently. _{and 'can confirm' is a fucking 1-day ban.}

[Land filled with People]

Get over it.

"You were acting like a giant prick [and that's why you were thrown out]"
"Can confirm [you acted like a giant prick, and that's why you were thrown out]"

What else did you expect?


and before anyone gets antsy, the above is all general, and not directed at anyone

[Luxdonia]

"Liberated" and given to whom, my dear friend Tim?

We've been down this road before. LWU are the natives of Hogwarts, any other natives from years ago CTE'd quite some time ago and are not coming back. So who are these Fendas "liberating" this region for?

It seems to be that the Fendas are arguing that no one who calls themselves an invader can hold any region as a native, even if it's their own region.

Defenders are incapable of recognizing Raiders as sovereign. Hogwarts is nothing but a trophy to them. If they so desire it, they may have it. It was a memorial to LSD and Tabaqui, both individuals who backstabbed Lone Wolves United and lost or took Hogwarts for their selfish purposes. Perhaps we are better off passing what is best considered a stigma to Defenders, whose precious morals are never going to extend to Raiders. Expecting them to recognize us as anything but targets for their vengeful and two-sided natures is futile. At least Raiders do not hold double standards on regional residency.

Raiders are incapable of recognizing anyone else's sovereignty so why should their's be respected?

[Crazy girl]

Why don't the puny natives just get their founder to come back? Or start a new region? It's not my fault the natives can't defend themselves.

That's the same exact justification used by spousal abusers. "Look what you made me do! It's not my fault you can't defend yourself."

It certainly demonstrates the invader mindset with crystal clarity, doesn't it?

*** Warned for trolling ***

[RiderSyl]

<snip>

Land, the situation where I was banned had to do with raiders, so I don't expect you to be unbiased in your responses.

and I don't want to answer your question here and get into a threadjack, so, if you're really that curious about it, TG me.

[Benevolent Thomas]

<snip>

Land, the situation where I was banned had to do with raiders, so I don't expect you to be unbiased in your responses.

and I don't want to answer your question here and get into a threadjack, so, if you're really that curious about it, TG me.

Read the small print:

"and before anyone gets antsy, the above is all general, and not directed at anyone"

Some of y'all are rushing to make things personal.

[RiderSyl]

Land, the situation where I was banned had to do with raiders, so I don't expect you to be unbiased in your responses.

and I don't want to answer your question here and get into a threadjack, so, if you're really that curious about it, TG me.

Read the small print:

"and before anyone gets antsy, the above is all general, and not directed at anyone"

Some of y'all are rushing to make things personal.

Lol Thomas, I read the small print. The small print was bullshit. And I don't even need to defend myself on this one.
Take it away, Sedge!

Land filled with People is referring to a previous incident that saw Ridersyl banned; that's what the quoted text is.