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The Agnostic Collective
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Postby The Agnostic Collective » Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:54 pm

Sparaxis wrote:That being the case why did TSP, on your watch, unban Milograd, who was convicted through due process, judge and jury, of the Superior Court of The South Pacific?


TSP established a Parole Board, with the sole purpose of addressing Indefinite Bans and the questionable fairness of such judgement. Milograd, having served over a year of that ban and taking into consideration:

1.) His behavior in NS since the time he was found guilty.
2.) His establishment of the PRL.
3.) His activity as a successful leader.
4.) His willingness to reform.

Were taken into consideration when granting him Parole status. I've heard such statements as "TSP is a place of second chances" and that was proven to be true the day Milograd was given that second chance.

The official ruling reads as follows:


Security:

Since receiving his ban from The South Pacific, Milograd faithfully served as Delegate of Lazarus and did so partially in efforts to show a change of character. Based on his work in Lazarus, the Parole Board found Milograd to no longer a security threat to The South Pacific.


Behavior Reform:

The Parole Board cited Milograd's Delegacy of Lazarus as partially sufficient grounds for showing a reformation of behavior, as well. In addition, Milograd showed an effort to make amends with The South Pacific before the option of Parole even existed. Based on these reasons, the Parole Board found Milograd shows a genuine willingness to reform behavior.


For these reasons, the Parole Board has unanimously ruled in favor of granting Milograd Parole, lifting his ban and allowing him to reside in The South Pacific. After six months of residency Milograd may apply for citizenship. If the Parole Board feels, at any time, that Milograd has become a security threat, or they feel Milograd is not contributing to The South Pacific in a positive way, the Parole Board may revoke Parole by a Majority Vote.

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Shadoke
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Shadoke » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:44 pm

So, even after three years, crasher have no chance to get into things again?
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The Agnostic Collective
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Postby The Agnostic Collective » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:50 pm

Probably not, but I don't recall you ever being tried in TSP. I'm not even sure if you've been banned on our forum. Their's only two possibilities in your case:

1.) You are accepted
2.) You are deemed a threat to the region and rejected.
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Shadoke
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Postby Shadoke » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:02 pm

I should have supplied context, i meant NS in general.
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A mean old man
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Father Knows Best State

Postby A mean old man » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:04 pm

Todd McCloud wrote:So does this mean Laz will become inactive, have about three senators, and have a delegate serve uncontested for 5-6 years as it slowly dies off in a manner undeserving of its past history?


Nah, man. That's no good. Things will happen with Laz just like they'll happen elsewherre in the near future.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Postby Valrifell » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:07 pm

A mean old man wrote:
Todd McCloud wrote:So does this mean Laz will become inactive, have about three senators, and have a delegate serve uncontested for 5-6 years as it slowly dies off in a manner undeserving of its past history?


Nah, man. That's no good. Things will happen with Laz just like they'll happen elsewherre in the near future.


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The Agnostic Collective
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Postby The Agnostic Collective » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:12 pm

Shadoke wrote:I should have supplied context, i meant NS in general.


Depends on if you can dupe some small UCR into letting you lead them :P

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A mean old man
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Postby A mean old man » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:22 pm

Valrifell wrote:Ambitious leaders who underestimate those around them are the death of empires.


Who am I leading these days? :P
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Postby Valrifell » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:23 pm

A mean old man wrote:
Valrifell wrote:Ambitious leaders who underestimate those around them are the death of empires.


Who am I leading these days? :P


Uh...
Potatoes?
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Postby RiderSyl » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:25 pm

Todd McCloud wrote:So does this mean Laz will become inactive, have about three senators, and have a delegate serve uncontested for 5-6 years as it slowly dies off in a manner undeserving of its past history?


Yes. NPO control equals region death.
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A mean old man
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Postby A mean old man » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:41 pm

Valrifell wrote:Uh...
Potatoes?


You makin' fun of mah Irish heratige!?
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Postby Valrifell » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:42 pm

A mean old man wrote:
Valrifell wrote:Uh...
Potatoes?


You makin' fun of mah Irish heratige!?


You're Irish?!
That was a very unfortunate choice of a random object I chose, sorry.
Please don't hurt meh.
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Postby Belschaft » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:57 pm

Shadoke wrote:So, even after three years, crasher have no chance to get into things again?

A lot of regions have a zero tolerance platform to forum crashers, but it depends on the circumstances and varies by region. Generally speaking if you come in with full disclosure your more likely to get somewhere than if they have to ID you themselves a few months down the line.
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A mean old man
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Postby A mean old man » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:58 pm

Valrifell wrote:
A mean old man wrote:
You makin' fun of mah Irish heratige!?


You're Irish?!
That was a very unfortunate choice of a random object I chose, sorry.
Please don't hurt meh.


kek. S'allright, brah. I forgive you.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Great Brigantia
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Postby Great Brigantia » Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:20 pm

A mean old man wrote:Nah, man. That's no good. Things will happen with Laz just like they'll happen elsewherre in the near future.

You can't even keep The Pacific active. You're now going to attempt to colonize Lazarus, along with whatever Elegarth's plans for TWP are after Darkesia hands over the keys.

Do you honestly expect anyone to believe that the decrepit NPO regime is capable of sustaining activity in any one of these regions, let alone three? You're collecting trophies, nothing more.
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Zaolat
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Postby Zaolat » Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:22 pm

Babiana wrote:
A mean old man wrote:The participation of 94 Block in the recent festivities has generated concern among the general public; while 94 Block did indeed shut down Grand Central's forums during a period of inactivity therein (with back-ups of this forum on hand and a naïve plan for regional revival through scaring his regionmates back into activity), he has since apologized profusely for his mistake and moved forward in an honest career in Nationstates. Many who are currently flaunting his "forum destruction" (committed with differing intent from the stereotypical, malicious forum destroyer) are petty enemies of the NPO and/or of 94 Block's personally and are simply using menacing vibrations to twist others' opinions for underhanded purposes. Any who do not fit this mold are simply getting hung up on arbitrary formalities and should strongly consider revising their stance on the individual.

I'm sure that the reasonable people of the world will be able to forgive 94 Block for an offense committed in ignorance 3 years ago and acknowledge that he is not, in reality, a destructive influence but has an honest will to contribute and to build Lazarus into a successful and productive entity (and he does). Treaties like COPS were created for an honorable purpose; however, exceptions must be made for individuals who have changed their paths and proven their worth through years of good behavior. Let us take, for example, the exception made by Osiris for "Sector ZYX," who destroyed a colony of Unknown's forum six years ago. You don't see anyone chirping about that.

For the sake of arbitrary formalities, however, I suppose he can step outside and wait until a reasonable discussion can be had regarding his status. He's a good sport.

Is that a tacit admission that the NPO has violated the COPS it signed up to and now seeks to evade the consequences by keeping him at arms length?



Oh please, every game player should know COPS is full of holes despite its good intentions. Plus, going by it the majority of us who have had admin or mod powers are in fact COPS violators.

AMOM makes a decent argument there, and Sector XYX shows the hypocrisy of following COPS when people love to use it as a political weapon.
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Postby Solorni » Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:33 pm

I will agree that it is not a black and white issue. As much as I've brought it up harshly previously, there has to be some sort of mechanism for rehabilitation. What incentive is there for a decent person to not engage in this behaviour again if we simply ostracize them?

Hint: None.

While there does have to be punishment, there also has to be a second chance and not encouraging players to join "the dark side".
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Durkadurkiranistan II
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Postby Durkadurkiranistan II » Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:55 pm

the 94 block forum 'destruction' thing was a huge yawn to begin with... he owned the forum in the first place.
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Toronina
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Postby Toronina » Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:07 pm

Solorni wrote:I will agree that it is not a black and white issue. As much as I've brought it up harshly previously, there has to be some sort of mechanism for rehabilitation. What incentive is there for a decent person to not engage in this behaviour again if we simply ostracize them?

Hint: None.

While there does have to be punishment, there also has to be a second chance and not encouraging players to join "the dark side".

You, Feux, Stu, Perg, Yao, Sweet and co are all traitors. For shame Solorni, I thought Balder was a independent region, not another puppet for Feux
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Klaus Devestatorie
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Corporate Bordello

Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:13 pm

Toronina wrote:
Solorni wrote:I will agree that it is not a black and white issue. As much as I've brought it up harshly previously, there has to be some sort of mechanism for rehabilitation. What incentive is there for a decent person to not engage in this behaviour again if we simply ostracize them?

Hint: None.

While there does have to be punishment, there also has to be a second chance and not encouraging players to join "the dark side".

You, Feux, Stu, Perg, Yao, Sweet and co are all traitors. For shame Solorni, I thought Balder was a independent region, not another puppet for Feux

I think you and Solorni are in two different conversations, but okay
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Durkadurkiranistan II
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Postby Durkadurkiranistan II » Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:18 pm

Toronina wrote:
Solorni wrote:I will agree that it is not a black and white issue. As much as I've brought it up harshly previously, there has to be some sort of mechanism for rehabilitation. What incentive is there for a decent person to not engage in this behaviour again if we simply ostracize them?

Hint: None.

While there does have to be punishment, there also has to be a second chance and not encouraging players to join "the dark side".

You, Feux, Stu, Perg, Yao, Sweet and co are all traitors. For shame Solorni, I thought Balder was a independent region, not another puppet for Feux


let it out :)

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Postby Pollaetorian » Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:32 pm

The polls must flow.

The Pollaetorian Guard has so far found the present negotiations with Delegate Stujenske amicable, though we hope to see the promised harvest soon. We are concerned with The Pacific's blanket non-use of polls but we will evaluate on a case by case basis.
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Postby Punk Daddy » Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:57 pm

The implications of AMOM's OP are quite disturbing for the rest of the world. AMOM said:

If you think for yourself and avoid the bias of organizations that view the NPO as a threat to their capacity to control other regions from afar you would realize that no, this is not at all hypocrisy. This is not backpedaling on the NPO's ideal of sovereignty and productivity within the GCRs. This is a step forward and a step towards a new age of GCR power and prosperity. Let me show you how.

The Persona of the Modern NPO; A Reintroduction

I abandoned my position as an NPO Senator for the sake of my dedication to The East Pacific, but let's face it: I'm NPO through and through. I always was, I still am, and I always will be. Everything I ever did in my career and in The East Pacific, even, was in the spirit of The New Pacific Order. I was NPO before I knew it even existed. And I may be able to leave the Senate but I cannot dissolve the friendships that emerged during my time therein between myself and like-minded individuals. I cannot deny the outlook of NS politics that was reinforced within my persona during that time.

You might ask: how is this possible? How could I be NPO before I knew what it was? You might accuse me of feigning loyalty to TEP or pulling a stunt by leaving the Senate in The Pacific yet remaining "loyal to the NPO;" fear not, for your cynical gut reaction misguides you. The modern NPO is less of a centralized government than it is a mindset: a fundamental, guiding view on the realities of Nationstates politics that regional allegiance cannot ignore.


Emphasis added. It appears that we're all NPO we just don't know it until the NPO either tells us or we ourselves are enlightened to see that the NPO's ideology is the ideology we should all follow. Excuse me while I throw away my vomit bag.

What we have learned from AMOM's statement about the NPO is that they are seeking to exert as much influence as they can within GCR's. GCR sovereignty for the NPO means nothing, yes I said means nothing. Why? From AMOM's comments you can see that the NPO will use any justification to pursue any goal it so desires, Francoist ideology be damned.

That's a scary thought for the rest of us.
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Postby Drop Your Pants » Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:07 pm

I thought i'd care more about waking up in TRR. But I don't give a rats arse. I'm just disappointed with Feux.
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Great Brigantia
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Postby Great Brigantia » Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:10 pm

Punk Daddy wrote:That's a scary thought for the rest of us.

It should be particularly scary for The West Pacific, where Senator Elegarth's WA nation is now located.
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