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Pollaetorian
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Postby Pollaetorian » Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:25 pm

Tbh though, the part I like is that Stu is absolutely silent.

Under Peacezone Theory, we need to completely destroy the institution of the delegate in order to truly free ourselves from any influence of institutional authority. Why do we bow to idols? We need to wean ourselves from the idea that the delegacy has any meaning and therefore something you fight over. We to learn to contribute pure of heart without any desire in return.

By not posting, not commenting, not voting (condemn Stu aside) and minimal suppressing he has advanced the cause for removing the role of the delegate further than anyone.

The issue of taking the delegacy is not an argument when you recognise it is no issue at all. There is no taking when it no longer exists. The delegacy was a lie and now you are free. Freedom, true freedom where you contribute out of pure desire to improve, without status, without authority, without conditions and where there is nowhere to hide from your own success or failure is difficult but it lies the key to utopia.

(My views alone, the NPO/NLO might do something completely different since they've never had anything to do with Peacezone Theory, but one could dream. I'm still watching everything from the sidelines)
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Xoriet
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Postby Xoriet » Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:43 pm

I hear Stu only talks to people who interest him. ;)
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Postby Consular » Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:49 pm

Neo Kervoskia wrote:
Consular wrote:That's the nonsense used to frame it, anyway. The reality is a move of imperialism and aggression by the NPO, plain and simple.

The ideology they use to justify it is both false and irrelevant. The only thing that matters is power.


Counter-revolutionaries will cry imperialism at every turn all the while denying their own complicity in perpetuating Userite control over the Feederites. Revolutions are aggressive, no one is denying that. Aggression is necessary to purge the Userite class and their decadent customs.

Class struggle was relevant ten years ago and it will remain relevant along as the Feederites permit themselves to be dominated by the Userites. Revolution will always be necessary.

So many words to say so very little.

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Postby Caraani » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:36 am

Zenya wrote:
Funkadelia wrote:They're really taking any help they can get at the moment. I wonder if Zenny will ever realize that the NPO will toss her aside as soon as her use is expended just like they have to everyone else that they manipulate.


Yes like you acting all nice to me before you knew I supported Stu because you wanted TCB on your side, even after your libelous attack against us not even a month prior ^_^

Edit: Also, lovely disinformation is being spread by supporters of the exiles: http://www.nationstates.net/region=the_ ... #p10993912 Apart of their disgusting smear campaign.

I love it how the opinion of one guy that doesn't even belong to Lazarus justifies the action against the exiles of Lazarus, which are in the hundreds.
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Postby Pergamon » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:50 am

Caraani wrote:
Zenya wrote:
Yes like you acting all nice to me before you knew I supported Stu because you wanted TCB on your side, even after your libelous attack against us not even a month prior ^_^

Edit: Also, lovely disinformation is being spread by supporters of the exiles: http://www.nationstates.net/region=the_ ... #p10993912 Apart of their disgusting smear campaign.

I love it how the opinion of one guy that doesn't even belong to Lazarus justifies the action against the exiles of Lazarus, which are in the hundreds.


Your forum tells me otherwise. :P
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Postby RiderSyl » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:56 am

Pergamon wrote:
Caraani wrote:I love it how the opinion of one guy that doesn't even belong to Lazarus justifies the action against the exiles of Lazarus, which are in the hundreds.


Your forum tells me otherwise. :P


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Of course, I might as well be telling that to a brick wall.
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Postby Ryccia » Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:08 am

Man how I hate the NPO now. They think they can rule everything. Free Lazarus!
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Postby Caraani » Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:06 am

Pergamon wrote:
Caraani wrote:I love it how the opinion of one guy that doesn't even belong to Lazarus justifies the action against the exiles of Lazarus, which are in the hundreds.


Your forum tells me otherwise. :P

Oh spying. Cute. Why am I not amazed that the NPO employs any means to undermine and subdue others? Maybe, because it's their policy.
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Postby The South Polish Union » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:23 am

Caraani wrote:
Pergamon wrote:
Your forum tells me otherwise. :P

Oh spying. Cute. Why am I not amazed that the NPO employs any means to undermine and subdue others? Maybe, because it's their policy.

to claim that someone looking at how many people you have on your forum is spying is quite a stretch, tbh

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Postby Caraani » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:42 am

The South Polish Union wrote:
Caraani wrote:Oh spying. Cute. Why am I not amazed that the NPO employs any means to undermine and subdue others? Maybe, because it's their policy.

to claim that someone looking at how many people you have on your forum is spying is quite a stretch, tbh

I for one don't give a flying c**p about anything regarding the NPO, and have never been on the forum of the New Orders or whatever they call themselves. IF I ever want to know anything, albeit it's very rare, I do so for the security of my region.
As such, for me it isn't a stretch.
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Postby Zenya » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:47 am

Spying is now viewing information that has been made completely public by an organization. Noted.
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Postby Solorni » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:52 am

Zenny, stop spying on NSGP pleaaaese
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Postby Caraani » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:52 am

Zenya wrote:Spying is now viewing information that has been made completely public by an organization. Noted.

Yeah, like being left wing and aiding fascists.
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Postby Caraani » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:57 am

Solorni wrote:Zenny, stop spying on NSGP pleaaaese

I have no excuse Solorni, I'm new to all this. What's your excuse for being here for so long and still being so oblivious to the true intentions of the NPO?
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Postby Xoriet » Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:32 am

Ah, spying. Practical yet immoral. It is a fine line between spying and keeping an eye out for danger. Spying implies dishonesty, watching implies pragmatism. If you want to be in the game, information is your best friend. How you obtain it is what should be the focus.

Crying "spy!" has only ever resulted in paranoia and ultimate failure. Ask anyone who has ever run an organization what assuming that everyone is a spy does to you.

Edit: Milograd, that PRL joke last night was not funny. There is joking, and then there is being cruel. You were exactly that. I would hope that the NLO collectively has more regard for the feelings of others than that shameless display suggests.
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Postby Caraani » Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:36 am

Xoriet wrote:Ah, spying. Practical yet immoral. It is a fine line between spying and keeping an eye out for danger. Spying implies dishonesty, watching implies pragmatism. If you want to be in the game, information is your best friend. How you obtain it is what should be the focus.

Crying "spy!" has only ever resulted in paranoia and ultimate failure. Ask anyone who has ever run an organization what assuming that everyone is a spy does to you.

Uncle Stalin may want to have a word with you on that last bit.
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Postby Xoriet » Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:39 am

Caraani wrote:
Xoriet wrote:Ah, spying. Practical yet immoral. It is a fine line between spying and keeping an eye out for danger. Spying implies dishonesty, watching implies pragmatism. If you want to be in the game, information is your best friend. How you obtain it is what should be the focus.

Crying "spy!" has only ever resulted in paranoia and ultimate failure. Ask anyone who has ever run an organization what assuming that everyone is a spy does to you.

Uncle Stalin may want to have a word with you on that last bit.

In game, my dear. In game. TEK at its early stage is a good example.
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Postby Solorni » Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:49 am

Caraani wrote:
Solorni wrote:Zenny, stop spying on NSGP pleaaaese

I have no excuse Solorni, I'm new to all this. What's your excuse for being here for so long and still being so oblivious to the true intentions of the NPO?

Well, I mean I was pretty opposed to the creation of the PRL given that it was also created by the NPO albeit that time with the agreement of actors within the FRA. So I mean, you might call me oblivious but while other GCR "elites" such as Glen-Rhodes wholeheartedly supported the regime, I did make notes that the purging of Lazarus at the time had been a mistake. As punishment, the PRL ended relations with Balder. So yeah, it should be argued that in particular players like NES did notice this trend far earlier.

It should also be noted that Balder has not made a move either way in this instance. However, Balder officials did approach Funkadelia about the possibility of supporting the PRL, even despite Funk's reputation as a bit of a defender extremist and anti-Balder person. This possibility was rejected by Funk.
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Postby North East Somerset » Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:26 pm

Xoriet wrote:Ah, spying. Practical yet immoral. It is a fine line between spying and keeping an eye out for danger. Spying implies dishonesty, watching implies pragmatism. If you want to be in the game, information is your best friend. How you obtain it is what should be the focus.

Crying "spy!" has only ever resulted in paranoia and ultimate failure. Ask anyone who has ever run an organization what assuming that everyone is a spy does to you.


I would advise against dispensing such advice to the masses.

Too much truth is bad for their conscience.
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Xoriet
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Postby Xoriet » Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:27 pm

North East Somerset wrote:
Xoriet wrote:Ah, spying. Practical yet immoral. It is a fine line between spying and keeping an eye out for danger. Spying implies dishonesty, watching implies pragmatism. If you want to be in the game, information is your best friend. How you obtain it is what should be the focus.

Crying "spy!" has only ever resulted in paranoia and ultimate failure. Ask anyone who has ever run an organization what assuming that everyone is a spy does to you.


I would advise against dispensing such advice to the masses.

Too much truth is bad for their diet.

But NES, what about educational reforms and entertainment value? :o
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