The Miniluv Messenger: TEP Liberated!

[Feux]

She's gonna have kids and have them create an account. Once they've matured she'll pass on the reins. Duh.

Nah, she'll put it on eBay.

I'd buy Balder.

[Feux]

It's Literally Hitler when Lazarus does it.

Hail Queen Rachel!

She'll be someone's Griffin one day.

[Pergamon]

Nah, she'll put it on eBay.

I'd buy Balder.

While checking the stock marked, I calculated that the price to obtain all shares would require just 1 Rachel at all. This sounds like a special offer. It's uncertain if the prices might rise in the future, given the aspect that powerhungry competitors also try to obtain gain on all shares. Analysis on their tactics reveal that they try to realease poorly written articles to manipulate the marked and dump the price. I consider further investigations.

[Drop Your Pants]

It's Literally Stalin when Lazarus does it.

Hail Queen Rachel!

Fixed that for you

[Solorni]

Cerian has it right in terms of this proposal being far different than the systems of TWP and TP. In addition it is important to note that Balder itself is very different. Balder is the most active and stable of the sinkers with a very different value system than TWP, TP and Lazarus.

[Rifty]

Cerian has it right in terms of this proposal being far different than the systems of TWP and TP. In addition it is important to note that Balder itself is very different. Balder is the most active and stable of the sinkers with a very different value system than TWP, TP and Lazarus.

Look without going too far into details...Is this attempt to bring stability (or as others think - Create a GCR with soul ownership by yourself) going to entail any parts of what we had discussed in regards to the running of Balder while I was an active member there? I don't think I need to say anymore for you to be able to work out what I'm referring to.

If I don't get an answer of course - Your actions will give me what I need.

If you are going to go about it through some of those ideas that were discussed - It's fair to say that the intentions are nothing more then an attempt to grasp power with no real concerns for the betterment Balder but much rather yourself.

EDIT: Took multiple edits for me to be able to say what I needed to say without copious speeding errors; brains running slow today..

[Solorni]

Considering all the work I have put into Balder, it would be idiotic to think that this is about grasping power. If I wanted power I would simply re-absorb the government under direct control of the delegacy. I would just coup the region. Yet I have done no such thing. There would be no more speeches on how I want people to step up and no more effort to push our region further. It is my biggest fear that after my terms that Balder will simply go back to a state of inactivity. There are perhaps good reasons for me to believe so as stated by Jakker as there would appear to be a strong dependence on me. Furthermore, under Zander and a bit under NES the region did not do as well. Particularly under Zander when the region was at its most inactive.

I do not wish to see that, I love Balder very dearly more than anything and my competitive nature would cry out in shame. It is my goal to ensure that Balder stays successful and strong. One only needs to look at Lazarus to see the risks posed by inactive delegates. Unfortunately, sinkers are less of a draw than the feeders but we are making the best out of it. If you think that my intentions are nothing more than an attempt to grasp power with no real concerns for the betterment of Balder then you firstly know nothing about me and furthermore are completely detached from reality and facts.

[Drop Your Pants]

I think this a mistake for you Rach. I don't care about balder except being able to streak through your irc channel occasionally but this move might be the beginning of your burn out. And if that happens balder implodes.

I have a lot of respect for the other members there but it wouldn't be where it is today without your drive.

[Rifty]

For someone to preach of Reality and facts is very hard to do when their response to a simple question of whether or not you would be going about this through such means as we disscussed a few months back could not be answered but rather dishing out some personal appeal that just because you have run the region and resided there for a fair period of time that you must have some deep love for the place - With NO ulterior motives.

"Power does not corrupt. Fear corrupts... perhaps the fear of a loss of power." ~John Steinbeck

Sadly I do not find that to be an adequete response to a fairly simple question - So again; Are you going to go about region a more stable and active Balder through such means we discussed a few months ago?

Aside from the fact I've discussed this matter with you - I would like to comment on this matter again. How is going to remove delegate elections going to achieve this more stable and active Balder that you preach of being achieved. It goes as far for me to say that you do not trust those who you lead to make an adequate decision on who they feel that would best represent them. You'll know of who will do the best job? How? If we are not going to allow these newer people try out the running as delegate then how are you to say that they aren't to be a more active and dedicated leader than yourself?

And before someone or you starts claiming this is a personal attack on you - you know for a fact I have nothing against you. Have enjoyed 99% of our discussions and have no grudge against Balder. All I am wanting is to hear the truth on the matter - Even if the truth is as blunt as "Yes it's so I have more power."

[Solorni]

I think this a mistake for you Rach. I don't care about balder except being able to streak through your irc channel occasionally but this move might be the beginning of your burn out. And if that happens balder implodes.

I have a lot of respect for the other members there but it wouldn't be where it is today without your drive.

My exception with this is that I will leave NS eventually, so then if I leave NS 5 years from now you could point to this being the beginning of my "burnout" but truthfully my entire NS life might be my burnout

@Rifty: If you don't understand what I am stating, that is fine. I can prepare chicken many ways, but no matter which way I prepare it, it isn't beef. Rather it is still chicken.

[Unibot III]

Balder is the most active and stable of the sinkers [...]

[Vojislav]

The NPO has tried more than just one person holding the delegacy, however, Cormac.

...no.

[KaelThas Quilor]

The NPO has tried more than just one person holding the delegacy, however, Cormac.

...no.

Yes.

It has tried More than just one person holding the delegacy.

The NPO's system of government is not just 'the delegacy belongs to this person, no elections'. It is that and additional things.

[Cormac Stark]

I think it's interesting that Rachel has to attack other Sinkers to make Balder look better by comparison. Why can't Balder stand on its own merits? Why do you need to call it the most active and stable of the Sinkers -- a slap not only at your supposed ally, Osiris, but also Lazarus and The Rejected Realms, especially as the latter has been stable for a decade. Why do you need to once again refer to the dangers of inactive Delegates by pointing at Lazarus?

The fact that you need to deflect attention away from Balder by attacking other Sinkers indicates that there is something dysfunctional about Balder that you're trying to hide by saying, "But look, Lazarus! Over there, Osiris!"

[Pauline Bonaparte]

But Cormac, how am I supposed to feel pride for my region unless it's at the expense of others?

[Valrifell]

Confused - Where, exactly, was any GCR named explicitly in this thread? (Other than Balder, of course)

[Nephmir]

here.

[Valrifell]

here.

Thanks.

[Vojislav]

...no.

Yes.

It has tried More than just one person holding the delegacy.

The NPO's system of government is not just 'the delegacy belongs to this person, no elections'. It is that and additional things.

If you're saying something correct, you're phrasing it incorrectly.

[New Female Order]

No. I phrased it fine. Only someone being obtuse and ignoring context is going to misunderstand me.

-Cerian. Stupid new theme is autologging me into the wrong nation.

[Evil Wolf]

Hmm, I don't think TRR had a delegate election for years under Kandarin. In fact, it wasn't until he resigned that TRR started having open elections for Delegate.

Just putting that out there.

[Durkadurkiranistan II]

HAIL QUEEN RACH!

[Solorni]

While I find the faux whining of Unibot and Cormac amusing, it is ridiculous. TNP, TSP and Europeia are all far more active than Balder. Does this mean I just attacked Balder or am saying that TNP, TSP and Europeia can't stand on their own merits? No, I am simply stating facts and my opinion thereof. Furthermore, by stating one region is more active or stable than another it does not mean any sense of superiority or inferiority. Each region is different and I have for example categorically recently rejected the notion that there are superior regions based upon the presence of a forum in the TI threads.

So please save me from the ridiculous and fake "outcry". A world where I am not allowed to look at facts and am only allowed to follow vague dogmatism is not one in which I want to live in. Regions are allowed to have differences. For example, it is well known that the Osiris army is far larger than the Balder one throughout history. Did I just attack Balder or am saying that Balder can't stand on its own merits? No of course not, that is ridiculous. So please spare me from this dogmatic outlook of yours.

[Rifty]

@Rifty: If you don't understand what I am stating, that is fine. I can prepare chicken many ways, but no matter which way I prepare it, it isn't beef. Rather it is still chicken.

Sorry I caught a case of Moderation

When I begin cooking the chicken - I am sure it'll be the same kind of meat by the end. However I think that you didn't check what kind of meat you started cooking. Thinking you grabbed out a T-Bone from a Stability Cow but in reality have yourself a pair of dictatorship ribs.

It's not a matter of a lack of understanding but that you keep avoiding the question. I am not questioning your capabilities as delegate - You've done a brilliant job at keeping the region active and working. I am questioning if how you go about achieving this standard of future stability will be similiar to how (And i'll say it now since i've asked multiple times without an answer...May have forgotten) we discussed an Autocratic leadership should be achieved in Balder.

A decrease in powers by other members although still being able to give them the same workload, The ending of delegate elections and the removal of a particular member who as you said would never support such a thing. Is this how it will be achieved?

[Unibot III]

While I find the faux whining of Unibot and Cormac amusing, it is ridiculous. TNP, TSP and Europeia are all far more active than Balder. Does this mean I just attacked Balder or am saying that TNP, TSP and Europeia can't stand on their own merits?

For example, it is well known that the Osiris army is far larger than the Balder one throughout history. Did I just attack Balder or am saying that Balder can't stand on its own merits? No of course not, that is ridiculous. So please spare me from this dogmatic outlook of yours.

This doesn't make a lick of sense. First, I disagreed with your assertion that Balder is the most active and stable sinker, and second, Cormac Stark interjected that you continue to use comparisons between other GCRs to position your success - in other words, you don't feel as though Balder is successful unless you put other GCRs down, which suggests Balder has internal problems if it can't independently identify its own success.

You see if I was going to argue TRR is a great region, I'd point out we have one of the founding armies of defenderdom, a distinctly clear and pragmatic body of law and an active regional newspaper which exemplifies its culture of candidness and openness. I don't need to say "TRR is so much more active than X, Y or Z"; that's not why we're a great region. We're a great region because even the most miserable of rejects (see Sedge for more details) can feel at home with us and feel as though they are truly welcome here to be who they are and express themselves and their creativity. That's what I love about TRR - it's the people that the eject button happen to bring us - and I don't need to compare us to anyone else to know that.