R+B · Vol. 2 [1] · TRF hits fash/REATO targets · RIA started

[Solorni]

Anybody who thinks I would think the tactics of NRW would actually work, or seriously threaten the Osiris Fraternal Order, doesn't know me very well.

But you are part of NRW?

[The Rainbow Collective]

Anybody who thinks I would think the tactics of NRW would actually work, or seriously threaten the Osiris Fraternal Order, doesn't know me very well.

But you are part of NRW?

Let me be clear here:

1. If I wanted to overthrow the government of Balder, I would infiltrate it, not expect an unendorsement campaign to work.
2. I certainly wouldn't think telling people to endorse Isidor would do any good, he's loyal to you.
3. I wouldn't threaten the Osiris Fraternal Order.

I think Comrade Misley is probably right that it was a false flag thing, either someone who had figured out who I am and wanted to discredit me, or someone who wanted to harm The Red Fleet, or - if it was Zenny - both.

Zenny was certainly quick to start throwing around accusations of my identity after NRW ran the unendo campaign. Convenient.

[Zenya]

Yep, totes me

Just as good as your theory that me and Kraken conspired personally to keep Osiris out of the Independence Conference (that even I wasn't invited to).

NAILED IT, CORMAC. BRILLIANT!

[Solorni]

Why is it that the moment communist regions start coming to the forefront we start entering Cold War style intrigue?

[Misley]

Why is it that the moment communist regions start coming to the forefront we start entering Cold War style intrigue?

Is there any other kind?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ITKoRfmNtg

[Valrifell]

Why is it that the moment communist regions start coming to the forefront we start entering Cold War style intrigue?

Ironically between two regions that many consider leftist.

[Zenya]

Pfft, this isn't near a war I don't play like that. I'm not the one writing critical articles about TI. I'm not the one making motions to ban ties with TI. I'm not the one proposing a Leftist condemnation of TI. They just looooooooooove wasting their time on TCB because frankly we fucking rule and are slowly becoming relevant They need an enemy to distract their people from the shitty internal conditions of their region, a severe lack of organization and order, no culture whatsoever, barely any activity other than crying about TCB, etc.

[Misley]

Yes, if only we had "culture" like me getting drunk every other night and posting to the RMB about it begging for attention.

[Zenya]

Yes, if only we had "culture" like me getting drunk every other night and posting to the RMB about it begging for attention.

Ok, you obviously have no idea what culture is in NationStates ^_^
Proved my point.

Edit: But thanks for being an asshole and trying to make me look like an alcoholic in front of people ^_^

[Misley]

Ok, you obviously have no idea what culture is in NationStates ^_^
Proved my point.

Edit: But thanks for being an asshole and trying to make me look like an alcoholic in front of people ^_^

Not trying to do anything of the sort. Just observing a trend in your RMB posts.

[Benjamin Henrikson]

Yes, if only we had "culture" like me getting drunk every other night and posting to the RMB about it begging for attention.

Maybe you could try to bring something actually argueable to the table.
Come on, you gotta realize these gut shots are pathetic :/

[Misley]

Yes, if only we had "culture" like me getting drunk every other night and posting to the RMB about it begging for attention.

Maybe you could try to bring something actually argueable to the table.
Come on, you gotta realize these gut shots are pathetic :/

Yes, Zenya has been completely above-board in all of her dealings with us.

[Verborgenen Herrn]

NE sits soundly under UIAF-TNP control only because the UIAF required everyone and their dog’s assistance to retake it. Without everyone-and-their-dog’s help, you’d still be banging on the door like Jehovah’s witnesses at a meeting of the Atheist Alliance International.

All large-scale 'liberations' are composed of multiple organisations.

Had our point been active, the NE 'liberation' would not have succeeded - it's not a case of NE retaking it reflecting a military success for them, but a function of the point's inactivity. That was incompetence on our point's part, which he was reprimanded for, as outlined in the UIAF statement.

How is taking advantage of your weakness not a victory? Just because we didn't take the delegacy in a "conventional" battle with the delegate doesn't mean the operation wasn't a success. If an inattentive military unit gets surrounded and destroyed by the enemy, are you gonna claim that it's not a victory for the enemy just because the unit was not destroyed in a firefight?

I see you ignored Woodhouse's statement about cross-endorsers. Nowadays, unless the enemy point has under 20 endoes, no successful liberation is done via one massive update operation. All you have to do is continuously dump 20 to 30 cross-endorsing WAs into a region every update for a couple days until your endo count is large enough to allow you to knock out the delegate. Any invasion can be stopped by this technique, whether it has 10 or 100 support. The only reason that all invasions aren't stopped by this technique is that defenders don't always have enough morale to continuously rally people for updates.

[Benjamin Henrikson]

Maybe you could try to bring something actually argueable to the table.
Come on, you gotta realize these gut shots are pathetic :/

Yes, Zenya has been completely above-board in all of her dealings with us.

Link or it didnt happen. I see your shit all the time, not hers.

[MSLuvsZenya]

Maybe you could try to bring something actually argueable to the table.
Come on, you gotta realize these gut shots are pathetic :/

Yes, Zenya has been completely above-board in all of her dealings with us.

Even when you're called upon to defend your own actions, you choose instead to personally attack Zenya. Do you even have an actual NS-related argument anymore, or is naked bullying really your endgame here?

Try asking Lipno and Sornia how to play the game in an "above-board" way. Oh wait.

This kind of behavior has been characteristic of the "NS Left" (big fat air-quotes) ever since TCB's star started ascending.

[The Rainbow Collective]

This kind of behavior has been characteristic of the "NS Left" (big fat air-quotes) ever since TCB's star started ascending.

TCB has been attacking the NS left since its star started ascending, that would be why.

[Misley]

Yes, Zenya has been completely above-board in all of her dealings with us.

Link or it didnt happen. I see your shit all the time, not hers.

Maybe this link will be of assistance to you.

[Onderkelkia]

All large-scale 'liberations' are composed of multiple organisations.

Had our point been active, the NE 'liberation' would not have succeeded - it's not a case of NE retaking it reflecting a military success for them, but a function of the point's inactivity. That was incompetence on our point's part, which he was reprimanded for, as outlined in the UIAF statement.

How is taking advantage of your weakness not a victory? Just because we didn't take the delegacy in a "conventional" battle with the delegate doesn't mean the operation wasn't a success. If an inattentive military unit gets surrounded and destroyed by the enemy, are you gonna claim that it's not a victory for the enemy just because the unit was not destroyed in a firefight?

In the sense that you won on that occasion (only to be defeated subsequently), it was by definition a victory. However, the point I was making was that the outcome did not rest on military prowess on your part as opposed to a specific deficiency in the handling of the occupation by the occupying power.

The implication of that point, in the context of my preceding remark about all large-scale 'liberations' being composed of multiple organisations, was that the way in which Nazi Europe was retaken by the Nazi and Fascist forces was not a typical model of counter-invasion and could not normally be replicated.

I see you ignored Woodhouse's statement about cross-endorsers. Nowadays, unless the enemy point has under 20 endoes, no successful liberation is done via one massive update operation. All you have to do is continuously dump 20 to 30 cross-endorsing WAs into a region every update for a couple days until your endo count is large enough to allow you to knock out the delegate. Any invasion can be stopped by this technique, whether it has 10 or 100 support. The only reason that all invasions aren't stopped by this technique is that defenders don't always have enough morale to continuously rally people for updates.

If you can secure a party of about 35 updaters and the endorsement gap is below 30 (not 20), it can be viable to attempt a 'liberation' in a single massive operation. However, gathering such a large force for a 'liberation' requires planning, so it cannot often be done in the first update after takeover.

A successful 'liberation' is by no means of a foregone conclusion of using this technique repeatedly - it depends on the rate at which the delegate is accumulating influence (which will be significantly faster if they have 100 as opposed to 10 endorsements), how many cross-endorsing units are ejected before each update, how many additional units the occupying power can bring to bear inside the region once it has effectively become a siege situation and finally how many additional units are available for the counter-invaders to bring to bear at subsequent updates if they already have 40+ cross-endorsing units in the region. So simply using this method is no guarantee of success unless the counter-invaders have an endless supply of additional units.

In any case, the argument of Captain Woodhouse was:

UIAF and friends could have been stopped in their tracks the update after they took antiquity region Eastern Europe had the mania that accompanies our raids been applied to theirs.

He was arguing that Eastern Europe could be retaken by defenders in a single update. So your point is in fact in opposition to his argument.

The dispute is over whether that was viable during the first update after Eastern Europe was taken, which I'm suggesting it was not.

[Benjamin Henrikson]

Wow.

That act of jackassery just proves your incompetence.

If you truly like TRF, you will resign now.

[Farnhamia]

Link or it didnt happen. I see your shit all the time, not hers.

Maybe this link will be of assistance to you.

And perhaps a *** warning for flaming *** will be of assistance to you in remembering to deal with other in a civil manner. Implying someone is too blind to see your side of an argument is just that.

[Sedgistan]

Yes, if only we had "culture" like me getting drunk every other night and posting to the RMB about it begging for attention.

Ok, you obviously have no idea what culture is in NationStates ^_^
Proved my point.

Edit: But thanks for being an asshole and trying to make me look like an alcoholic in front of people ^_^

Not trying to do anything of the sort. Just observing a trend in your RMB posts.

If Farnhamia hadn't just warned you, I quite possibly would have done so for that baiting/harassment. Leave the personal attacks out of this.

[RiderSyl]

Is this sort of PR the reason why the Red Fleet needed to be revived again in the first place?

[Corvus Corax]

Could TRF/Antifa send one squadron to http://www.nationstates.net/region=the_greenup_alliance and endorse delegate Vandoosa within few hours?

It is most logical way of in-game retaliation for MOD-biased defenderists. After all TBR used the region as the Jump point.

@Misley: Take easy.

@Cormac: You take easy even when it is not place for it.

[The Rainbow Collective]

Pfft, this isn't near a war I don't play like that. I'm not the one writing critical articles about TI. I'm not the one making motions to ban ties with TI. I'm not the one proposing a Leftist condemnation of TI. They just looooooooooove wasting their time on TCB because frankly we fucking rule and are slowly becoming relevant

No, you are the one invading leftist regions while still claiming that TCB is a leftist region. That's the reason for this dispute.

They need an enemy to distract their people from the shitty internal conditions of their region, a severe lack of organization and order, no culture whatsoever, barely any activity other than crying about TCB, etc.

I love when mainstream gameplayers think their way of doing things is the only way.

The Internationale has an active community and an active RMB. It's governed democratically, by consensus, and introducing a forum into the mix - which most residents have no interest in anyway - would undermine that system of government. At minimum, on a forum we would have to introduce the positions of administrators and moderators as positions for some comrades to have authority over others. We value consensus more than your prized "organization and order," which seems to be doing nothing for TCB except turning it into a carbon copy of other imperialist regions except with a red hue.

There is nothing wrong with just using the game to play the game. Your forums are what lead to the interpersonal drama and toxicity of mainstream gameplay, as people with too much time on their hands jockey for positions of authority over each other in a made-up government that is divorced from your in-game region and its in-game community.

Could TRF/Antifa send one squadron to http://www.nationstates.net/region=the_greenup_alliance and endorse delegate Vandoosa within few hours?

It is most logical way of in-game retaliation for MOD-biased defenderists. After all TBR used the region as the Jump point.

I don't think I can deploy for this without authorization from an officer, Cora, so you'll have to wait and see what Misley says. Good luck though.

[Benjamin Henrikson]

Who runs TRF / Antifa?