The Global Democracy - THE LIBERATION

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

But of course.

[Empire of Vlissingen]

Can I join?

Yours faithfully,
Melvin

[The Agnostic Collective]

This is ridiculous even by the craziest of standards. Of all the regions, you go after one of the most stable regions in the history of NS? There are other regions that desperately need to take in this kind of criticism. You wanna talk about facts? Why don't you stop by 10k Islands and try to change the Grubtatorship? Oh wait, that's not gonna happen either XD

[Darkesia]

As Delegates and Founders in embassy regions are permitted to post on the region's message board, we strongly encourage the powerful delegates of its embassy regions, who embrace democracy, such as HMS Unicorn (The North Pacific), Xoriet (The East Pacific) and Darkesia (The West Pacific), to urge the Delegate of the region, to enact democratic reforms in his region, because, and especially since, his region takes the name of the game itself.

Because the West Pacific is so democratic, right? Joke #1

I think he might be just looking for chicks.

We are a direct democracy on-site, as are all GCRs. And have been attempting a sort of vote-ish thing off site. So there, Feux. .

ROFL

[Rifty]

I see that the name Shifty or Rifty has arisen ~ not surprising as she tried to instigate trouble in the region earlier in the summer.

Thanks mate~

If you've read what i've been saying on this topic - I don't support this crap. It's sticking his nose in places it doesn't belong.

[Pollaetorian]

The OP has asked me to comment.

I like the idea, I find it interesting and a bit quirky and :codger:. I feel it wouldn't be as derided if it came from me instead of Charl (especially since it was exposed as Charl, so it's going to colour this thread going forward), but then I won't be calling for the end of Nationstates and The Pacific. Well I would, but probably in a rhetorical, grand vision of an utopia of global democracy, rather than a serious goal.

An organisation doing review of regions and giving summaries of how their governments work is a nice idea. We can showcase how varied the regional governments could be through out NS - even among the democracies there are many different structures on how this is achieved.

Knowing more about other regions is never bad thing.

[Nordenwald]

An organisation doing review of regions and giving summaries of how their governments work is a nice idea. We can showcase how varied the regional governments could be through out NS - even among the democracies there are many different structures on how this is achieved.

Knowing more about other regions is never bad thing.

But that's not what the OP wants to do.

[Sichuan Pepper]

This is ridiculous even by the craziest of standards. Of all the regions, you go after one of the most stable regions in the history of NS? There are other regions that desperately need to take in this kind of criticism. You wanna talk about facts? Why don't you stop by 10k Islands and try to change the Grubtatorship? Oh wait, that's not gonna happen either XD

Got banned did you?

[Wickedly evil people]

off site votes aren't democratic, they're anything but.


Admin says the delegate is elected by all the WA nations of the region, Delegates in The West Pacific are elected solely by WA nations. WA nations are persuaded to vote for our Delegate by nations that have the best interests of the region and therefore the game in mind. Anything but our method is of course heretical.

[The Agnostic Collective]

Not Democratic? Do you even think before you say something? I bet you'd say something stupid like "elections should be held via poll on the regions page" huh?

[Darkesia]

Oh dear. Someone needs a hug.

[Wickedly evil people]

Not Democratic? Do you even think before you say something? I bet you'd say something stupid like "elections should be held via poll on the regions page" huh?

No that would be stupid. I would say that game mechanics are the only true measure of a region's preference. A poll is just that, a poll, it has the same legitimacy as an offsite election.


Anything else is an imposition upon the Max-given ( got that saying from TAO) rights of WA nations to decide their region's leader.


If you don't want a nation to be Delegate, don't endorse them. If you don't like the way a UCR chooses their Delegate, leave.


If you don't like the way a GCR chooses their Delegate, try to incite rebellion.

Good Luck with that

[Hobbesistan]

Well, I believe that with enough game-wide support, we can persuade the leaders to embrace democracy. We understand that it's a tough challenge and therefore it is our "endgame", something we aim to achieve only after everything else has been achieved. There's of course still a long way to go.

A path like this will get your region skinned alive before it turns the NPO democratic.

[The Agnostic Collective]

Well, I believe that with enough game-wide support, we can persuade the leaders to embrace democracy. We understand that it's a tough challenge and therefore it is our "endgame", something we aim to achieve only after everything else has been achieved. There's of course still a long way to go.

There is a huge difference between "embracing" something and "forcing your will" on something. If you don't like the way MW runs things, don't go there. But, before you go judging regions older than you are (joke #2) think about the ramifications of uprooting a long standing ideal.

[Cora II]

Real Democratic UCRs would be the Cases where Founder is alive and WA-member, but doesn't do anything else then keeping region (and community living in it) itself alive. If such WA-founder is also WA-delegate he/she act just like any other elected WAD. Elections would be held on a RMB of the region. Openly. One Vote is just One Endorsement to a Candidate. Majority of Votes win always, as that is set by the game mechanics. Founder doesn't distrupt elections which can be continuous by ejecting/Banjecting WA-nations who doesn't try crash the region.

Founderless region or region with non-executive Founder has limited democracy in sense it cannot defend its own existence in all possible scenarios. Regional Existence is an unavoidable premise of the existence of Community, and only Community can act democratically. Founder game player itself voluntarily put himself to equal role as a WA-member and uses his'/hers' founder power only for keeping the region alive.

All other changes and decisions are determined democratically and The founder doesn't use force against elected WAD's possible abuse of power, unless that directly threat existence of the region.

Only WA-members are considered as a Citizens.

[Canton Empire]

I might send a (secret) puppet and get involved xD

aka sleeper.

[Rifty]

I might send a (secret) puppet and get involved xD

aka sleeper.

Uh huh - Thanks captain obvious

[MikesHope]

I think Mikeswill is super cool and good looking too!

[RiderSyl]

+1 for effort
-1000 for Charlzilla being the OP

[Rifty]

+1 for effort
-1000 for Charlzilla being the OP

HEY! Leave char alone - He is a great guy! WITH SUCH GOOD LEADERSHIP SKILLS!

[All Good People]

...game mechanics are the only true measure of a region's preference....Anything else is an imposition upon the Max-given ( got that saying from TAO) rights of WA nations to decide their region's leader.

Indeed, truer words are rarely said in gameplay. You want control or to dictate 'democracy' to a region ? Forget democracy or any other kind of ocracy.....work the mechanics. And Max said "Let there be the World Assembly, and only nations that are members may endorse other nations. And that nation which obtains the most endorsements shall be the Delegate." First Book of Max, Chapter 2.

And so it was, and is, and shall be.

[The Global Democracy]

Dear nations of The Global Democracy,

I would like to announce that I will be stepping down from the position as the Provisional Leader of the Government. Effectively immediately, I would like to hand over full control of this region to Ryccia. Ryccia will serve as the new Provisional Leader of the Government (and the Provisional Minister of the Delegacy, till the elections).

Nations, I apologise if this is abrupt, but I must honest with you all - I did not found this region to rule it, I founded it to inspire to others, like yourselves. To me, I found a movement, and the region was a way to inspire others to catch on to it. I am not one who can govern a region, all I am is someone who wants to see this world become a better place, via the power of democracy. I am certain that you are all are great leaders and you will be able to lead this region, with Ryccia at the helm, to prominence, and do more than I will ever accomplish.

I have put in place a broad framework (government structure, elections once we reach 10 WA nations), but the rest can be fully decided yourselves and other members. Henceforth, I won't be very active in the game anymore. All I ask is for my nation to be retained as the Honorary Founding Leader, in the government positions.

Nations, always remember to stick by our core principles of democracy, equality, stability. I leave this region in your hands.

For the good of the future, for the sake of democracy, always,
The Global Democracy

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Gets outed as Charl, steps down. Funny that.

[Ainin]

Well that didn't last very long.

[RiderSyl]

If your actual initiative is only about one week into its existence and already making a change in leadership with only a handful of involved players, then I'm gonna go get the popcorn. Implosions can be as entertaining as explosions, I tell ya.