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Postby Nierr » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:18 pm

Feuer Ritter wrote:
Kogvuron wrote:Two liberations with 30 updaters on less than 12 hours of planning with the regions targeted only about 15 minutes apart? I don't think that has ever been pulled off in the history of NS.


I bet the raiders could do it.

Please. You guys have the easiest job in military gameplay. You don't have to deal with a hostile delegate as you come in.

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Postby Nierr » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:20 pm

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Lol thats also because we're talking about a tag run. Comparing a tag run of dozens of regions to a single region liberation effort is like comparing cats and dogs.


Two regions is much easyer,just command for a switch and go do normal liberaty stuff

Says someone with absolutely zero experience of running liberation operations.

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Postby Nephmir » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:22 pm

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Lol thats also because we're talking about a tag run. Comparing a tag run of dozens of regions to a single region liberation effort is like comparing cats and dogs.


Two regions is much easyer,just command for a switch and go do normal liberaty stuff

It doesn't matter how easy it is. Quality is better then quantity, and if you liberated both in one update you wouldn't be able to hold onto both as easily.
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Postby Feuer Ritter » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:24 pm

Nierr wrote:
Blood Wine wrote:
Two regions is much easyer,just command for a switch and go do normal liberaty stuff

Says someone with absolutely zero experience of running liberation operations.


I don't know for Blood but I actually planned and commanded 2 liberations, one against TEK with 18 updaters and the Anzia liberation.

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Postby Kogvuron » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:33 pm

Feuer Ritter wrote:
Nierr wrote:Says someone with absolutely zero experience of running liberation operations.


I don't know for Blood but I actually planned and commanded 2 liberations, one against TEK with 18 updaters and the Anzia liberation.

Do you think that commanding 2 liberations with 12 more updaters than that inside a span of 15 minutes or a tag run is harder?
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Postby RiderSyl » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:35 pm

Kogvuron wrote:Do you think that commanding 2 liberations with 12 more updaters than that inside a span of 15 minutes or a tag run is harder?


Where did someone claim that a tag run is harder?

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Postby Blood Wine » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:38 pm

Nierr wrote:
Blood Wine wrote:
Two regions is much easyer,just command for a switch and go do normal liberaty stuff

Says someone with absolutely zero experience of running liberation operations.


Says the person dismissing people instantly on observations due to a lack of information on their experience

Nierr wrote:
Feuer Ritter wrote:
I bet the raiders could do it.

Please. You guys have the easiest job in military gameplay. You don't have to deal with a hostile delegate as you come in.


Are you kidding me? beating a hostile delegate IS THE ENTIRE POINT

Nephmir wrote:
Blood Wine wrote:
Two regions is much easyer,just command for a switch and go do normal liberaty stuff

It doesn't matter how easy it is. Quality is better then quantity, and if you liberated both in one update you wouldn't be able to hold onto both as easily.


Most raiders would be expelled easily,Nova had large amounts of influence,allowing defenders to focus on Ixnay

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I don't know for Blood but I actually planned and commanded 2 liberations, one against TEK with 18 updaters and the Anzia liberation.

Do you think that commanding 2 liberations with 12 more updaters than that inside a span of 15 minutes or a tag run is harder?


How much of a difference is it? i doubt very much,15 people in the same chatroom is hectic enough,15 more wouldn't add much more chaos
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Postby Kogvuron » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:41 pm

Ridersyl wrote:
Kogvuron wrote:Do you think that commanding 2 liberations with 12 more updaters than that inside a span of 15 minutes or a tag run is harder?


Where did someone claim that a tag run is harder?

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Right here: viewtopic.php?p=21195317#p21195317
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Postby Kogvuron » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:43 pm

Blood Wine wrote:
Kogvuron wrote:Do you think that commanding 2 liberations with 12 more updaters than that inside a span of 15 minutes or a tag run is harder?


How much of a difference is it? i doubt very much,15 people in the same chatroom is hectic enough,15 more wouldn't add much more chaos


If 15 people in the same chatroom is hectic, wouldn't you think twice as many people in the chatroom could potentially be at least twice as hectic? Throwing in that the more people you have to grab, the less experience they have, I do think that adding another 15 would add considerably more chaos.
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Postby RiderSyl » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:43 pm



So you're holding Feuer Ritter accountable for something Blood Wine said?

Can I hold you accountable for stuff that Unibot says then? :p
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Postby Feuer Ritter » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:44 pm

Kogvuron wrote:
Ridersyl wrote:
Where did someone claim that a tag run is harder?

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Right here: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopi ... #p21195317


Come on, he's Blood Wine :p what do you expect

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Postby Kogvuron » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:47 pm

Ridersyl wrote:


So you're holding Feuer Ritter accountable for something Blood Wine said?

Can I hold you accountable for stuff that Unibot says then? :p

He said I don't know for Blood, who doesn't know, while Feuer does have some experience. So, I was asking his opinion on the question, not making any sort of attack on Feuer.
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Postby Nierr » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:47 pm

Blood Wine wrote:
Nierr wrote:Please. You guys have the easiest job in military gameplay. You don't have to deal with a hostile delegate as you come in.


Are you kidding me? beating a hostile delegate IS THE ENTIRE POINT

Of a liberation? Yes it is.

Most raiders will encounter an active at update delegate in perhaps 1 raid in 500.
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Postby RiderSyl » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:53 pm

Kogvuron wrote:He said I don't know for Blood, who doesn't know, while Feuer does have some experience. So, I was asking his opinion on the question, not making any sort of attack on Feuer.


Hard to determine intent and tone over an internet forum. Sorry. :)
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Postby Kogvuron » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:55 pm

Ridersyl wrote:
Kogvuron wrote:He said I don't know for Blood, who doesn't know, while Feuer does have some experience. So, I was asking his opinion on the question, not making any sort of attack on Feuer.


Hard to determine intent and tone over an internet forum. Sorry. :)

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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:14 pm

Kogvuron wrote:If 15 people in the same chatroom is hectic, wouldn't you think twice as many people in the chatroom could potentially be at least twice as hectic? Throwing in that the more people you have to grab, the less experience they have, I do think that adding another 15 would add considerably more chaos.


There were a whole lot more than 15 people jumping into Canada not too long ago, and that was manageable, obviously. Some of them were even newbies - One actually asked me after what a tag run was :P The instructions for an op like this aren't hard. Have a WA nation in a late updating region. Some examples are X Y and Z large regions. We'll give you a region and a nation (and sometimes a password) as we get closer. Open up the region, and be ready to move when we say go. Open up the nation, and after you move refresh and endorse. When I say ready, shut up and get ready for the target and point. Ready. Target and point. GO.

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Postby Blood Wine » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:15 pm

Kogvuron wrote:


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My point was both have their own troubles,tag raids require a lot more attention,while large scale operations require more logistics
Also,one person saying something does not make their aligned group think the same


Kogvuron wrote:
Blood Wine wrote:
How much of a difference is it? i doubt very much,15 people in the same chatroom is hectic enough,15 more wouldn't add much more chaos


If 15 people in the same chatroom is hectic, wouldn't you think twice as many people in the chatroom could potentially be at least twice as hectic? Throwing in that the more people you have to grab, the less experience they have, I do think that adding another 15 would add considerably more chaos.


I've dealt with these kind of chatrooms,it doesn't take much more effort to quit down a chatroom thats bigger
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Postby Baghdad Bob » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:25 pm

August 4th, 2014, Major Update


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At the major update of Auguest 4th, Marshal Bob Moran gathered a squad of troops and led them into battle.

Under the Marshal's command rode the following riders:
Aurum Rider, Sergeant
Severania, Corporal
Upper Drizzilia, Corporal
Ridus, Private First Class

These brave riders reinforced strongholds in Anarchy, Ixnay, and Canada, while also expanding Raideron's influence into new territory.

List of regions captured:

1. Allied Nations against The Black Hawks
2. Appalachia
3. AQW Lore
4. Dooga
5. Dux Milan
6. Excelsius
7. Farwelia
8. Galts Gulch
9. Ormon
10. Shrekistan
11. The Confederation of Independent Nations
12. The Faroe Islands
13. The French Revolution
14. The Greatest Ass Ever
15. The lands of ooo
16. The Unanimous Covenant
17. The YoungWorld
18. The VIP Central Region
19. United Rebels
20. We Have Borscht
21. World Region
22. Yorkshire

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Postby Venico » Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:09 am

Image seems broken. Otherwise good to hear. :)

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Postby Drop Your Pants » Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:43 am

The Youngworld again? I knew saving the WFE would be a good idea :P
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Postby RiderSyl » Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:55 am

Gaaaah, medical issues keep making me miss these rides. Nice to see you guys are still kicking native ass without me though. :clap:
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Postby Legendardisch » Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:41 am

So ruining rp regions is what you like to do?
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Postby RiderSyl » Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:43 am

Legendardisch wrote:So ruining rp regions is what you like to do?


We don't specifically target regions because they roleplay, if that's what you're asking.
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Postby Legendardisch » Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:48 am

Ridersyl wrote:
Legendardisch wrote:So ruining rp regions is what you like to do?


We don't specifically target regions because they roleplay, if that's what you're asking.


Try to avoid them like world region. If a region has roleplay as tag just ignore it ok.
Just a friendly request
We roleplayers dont want this.
I was kinda mad when my region (universitas,) got invaded
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Postby Blood Wine » Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:51 am

Legendardisch wrote:
Ridersyl wrote:
We don't specifically target regions because they roleplay, if that's what you're asking.


Try to avoid them like world region. If a region has roleplay as tag just ignore it ok.
Just a friendly request
We roleplayers dont want this.
I was kinda mad when my region (universitas,) got invaded


Yeah sorry,nobody cares about RP regions,all regions are are valid targets

Just FYI,nobody is doing the Mall should resign thing anymore
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