Invasion in Ixnay

[Mallorea and Riva]

And why should they have to? Why should RP regions have to be looking over their shoulders all the time for some raider who might or might not be sneaking in?

Probably because if they don't then this happens. If you think they shouldn't have to exist in a world where this is possible then take it to Tech because as things stand this is the world in which Ixnay exists.

[Thoricia]

If GP was so popular, then wouldn't instituting measures to remove RPers from GP still leave it intact because so many people enjoy doing it and having their stuff wrecked?
No the reason GP is so scared of RP pushing to institute measures to keep their regions safe is that it would shut down GP entirely because most players hate it and want out

Not quite.

See, GP is based around Game Mechanics. If you remove or change one of those game mechanics, you destroy or significantly harm GP. And regions and their inhabitants are already a part of Gameplay from the moment they are founded.

RPing, on the other hand, is based around ideas. If you propose an idea that runs against the current RP, or remove part of the RP itself, you destroy the original RP. Therefore, saying "If GP was (I like how you use "was" here ) so popular, then wouldn't instituting measures to remove RPers from GP still leave it intact because so many people enjoy doing it and having their stuff wrecked?" is like saying "If the RP was so popular, then wouldn't instituting measures to remove this part of the RP still leave it intact because so many people enjoy doing it and having their stuff wrecked?"

Why would it destroy Gameplay? As I said before if its so popular, measures instituted to protect RP wouldn't be abused to protect regions from raiders right?
And before you compare RP to GP go read a few of the RP stickies, I see you're new so you don't understand how it works go ahead and read up and then come back and try and make a decent argument instead of swapping letters around and thinking GP = RP (Hint: it doesn't)

[Kuhlfros]

Also, We were under the impression Kikpar was a new player at that time too maybe like 11 million population and if I remember correctly came from one of the Pacifics, and We did not know we couldn't change our password at that time, nope if we knew that then we could have found a way to get more influence and change the password

First off the delegate can check to see whether they can change the password before they do it. Second off Kikpar may have been relatively new at the time but it had a history before it came to you, one which you could have checked via nshistory.

Okay everyone raise their hands if they have ever heard of nshistory before (not counting Mal) I haven't and our region hasn't that is for sure, Not even Kazomal, who has existed for a longer time than you....

[Thoricia]

First off the delegate can check to see whether they can change the password before they do it. Second off Kikpar may have been relatively new at the time but it had a history before it came to you, one which you could have checked via nshistory.

Okay everyone raise their hands if they have ever heard of nshistory before (not counting Mal) I haven't and our region hasn't that is for sure, Not even Kazomal, who has existed for a longer time than you....

Eh, just click on a nation's flag and you can see their movements, thing is you shouldn't have to

[Nephmir]

Not quite.

See, GP is based around Game Mechanics. If you remove or change one of those game mechanics, you destroy or significantly harm GP. And regions and their inhabitants are already a part of Gameplay from the moment they are founded.

RPing, on the other hand, is based around ideas. If you propose an idea that runs against the current RP, or remove part of the RP itself, you destroy the original RP. Therefore, saying "If GP was (I like how you use "was" here ) so popular, then wouldn't instituting measures to remove RPers from GP still leave it intact because so many people enjoy doing it and having their stuff wrecked?" is like saying "If the RP was so popular, then wouldn't instituting measures to remove this part of the RP still leave it intact because so many people enjoy doing it and having their stuff wrecked?"

Why would it destroy Gameplay? As I said before if its so popular, measures instituted to protect RP wouldn't be abused to protect regions from raiders right?
And before you compare RP to GP go read a few of the RP stickies, I see you're new so you don't understand how it works go ahead and read up and then come back and try and make a decent argument instead of swapping letters around and thinking GP = RP (Hint: it doesn't)

-_- I used to be an RPer. I am well aware on how it works.

Try again.

[Lemmrod]

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[Thoricia]

Why would it destroy Gameplay? As I said before if its so popular, measures instituted to protect RP wouldn't be abused to protect regions from raiders right?
And before you compare RP to GP go read a few of the RP stickies, I see you're new so you don't understand how it works go ahead and read up and then come back and try and make a decent argument instead of swapping letters around and thinking GP = RP (Hint: it doesn't)

-_- I used to be an RPer. I am well aware on how it works.

Try again.

Obviously not, so I'll explain it for you, if I troll or grief someone in a thread I get warned, however its sanctioned in gameplay.

Also you didn't answer my initial question, if Gameplay is so popular and everyone wants to do it, altering a few things to insulate RPers wouldn't affect it right?

[Post War America]

-_- I used to be an RPer. I am well aware on how it works.

Try again.

Obviously not, so I'll explain it for you, if I troll or grief someone in a thread I get warned, however its sanctioned in gameplay.

Also you didn't answer my initial question, if Gameplay is so popular and everyone wants to do it, altering a few things to insulate RPers wouldn't affect it right?

But it would, because at the heart of the Raiding Game is the fact that raiding is about breaking into someone's place of work and torching everything they have been working on. This is the point of raiding, excepting the (admittedly more common) "tag raids", the destruction of entire regions through glitched game mechanics, and ultimately the destruction of the work involved. Therefore if there's nobody's work to ruin then raiding wouldn't make sense.

Well anyways, congratulations Black Riders. At least you know how to execute a well planned and moderately entertaining raid, which is something I wish the entire raiding community could do... at least look the people whose work you just ruined in the face and treat them with some vague semblance of respect.

[Small Huts]

disregard

[Frattastan II]

Can we talk about consent?

I don't think a rape analogy is the best way to start a conversation.

[Lemmrod]

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[Astarial]

I don't think a rape analogy is the best way to start a conversation.

It's actually a pretty accurate analogy, albeit not a very popular one.

It's not even close to being accurate, which you'd know if you had any idea what you were talking about.

[SFBA Campinia]

I know it was a hidden password, but it was the same password that he had used to enter the region in the first place, ergo not enough influence to change it

Yeah. That's my point. Someone handed him the password. A nation which had been in The Silver Isles (another TBR raid) which even a cursory glance at the nation's history would have revealed.

I wonder what your spiel would be if TBR had used a clean puppet to do the exact same thing...

[Mallorea and Riva]

Yeah. That's my point. Someone handed him the password. A nation which had been in The Silver Isles (another TBR raid) which even a cursory glance at the nation's history would have revealed.

I wonder what your spiel would be if TBR had used a clean puppet to do the exact same thing...

"Why the hell would you hand over the password to someone you just met/a brand new nation?"

[Joe Bobs]

I wonder what your spiel would be if TBR had used a clean puppet to do the exact same thing...

"Why the hell would you hand over the password to someone you just met/a brand new nation?"

It does sound an awful lot like you're saying you don't want RPers in your game, or you don't want them to play the way they're playing.

To be honest I'm a little shocked that a mod would so blatantly reject such a large portion of the players in the game. As a mod, you represent the Mod/Admin Team, and to a lot of people now it looks like you're telling RPers to get on board or get out. If you continue this line, the likelihood is many will find other games where the mods embrace different methods of playing, rather than trying to homogenise them.

[Mallorea and Riva]

"Why the hell would you hand over the password to someone you just met/a brand new nation?"

It does sound an awful lot like you're saying you don't want RPers in your game, or you don't want them to play the way they're playing.

To be honest I'm a little shocked that a mod would so blatantly reject such a large portion of the players in the game. As a mod, you represent the Mod/Admin Team, and to a lot of people now it looks like you're telling RPers to get on board or get out. If you continue this line, the likelihood is many will find other games where the mods embrace different methods of playing, rather than trying to homogenise them.

I have no clue how you took "if you have a pw be smart with it" and turned it into "YOU HATE THE RP'ERS OMG YOU WANT THEM OUT OF THE GAME". If you have tech suggestions for changing the situation please feel free to make them in the appropriate forum. As things currently stand invasion of regions such as Ixnay is perfectly within the rules, and is made relatively simple when the natives of Ixnay do not properly utilize their security tools.

[Sedgistan]

Comparing the legal act of invading in a nation simulation game with rape or sexual assault is not in any way appropriate. Cut it out now, or warnings for trolling will follow.

[Rephesus]

It does sound an awful lot like you're saying you don't want RPers in your game, or you don't want them to play the way they're playing.

To be honest I'm a little shocked that a mod would so blatantly reject such a large portion of the players in the game. As a mod, you represent the Mod/Admin Team, and to a lot of people now it looks like you're telling RPers to get on board or get out. If you continue this line, the likelihood is many will find other games where the mods embrace different methods of playing, rather than trying to homogenise them.

I have no clue how you took "if you have a pw be smart with it" and turned it into "YOU HATE THE RP'ERS OMG YOU WANT THEM OUT OF THE GAME".

Well you yourself did say that raiders 'could make better use of RP regions than natives' in your proposal.

[Mallorea and Riva]

I have no clue how you took "if you have a pw be smart with it" and turned it into "YOU HATE THE RP'ERS OMG YOU WANT THEM OUT OF THE GAME".

Well you yourself did say that raiders 'could make better use of RP regions than natives' in your proposal.

From the raider perspective.

[Rephesus]

Well you yourself did say that raiders 'could make better use of RP regions than natives' in your proposal.

From the raider perspective.

Precisely. I don't see why your surprised that the majority of RPers are pissed at this intentional targeting of RP regions for the sole purpose of invoking anger and possible flaming.

[Mallorea and Riva]

From the raider perspective.

Precisely. I don't see why your surprised that the majority of RPers are pissed at this intentional targeting of RP regions for the sole purpose of invoking anger and possible flaming.

All regions are targeted which aren't Raider in origin. RP'ers are nothing special in this regard, it isn't because Ixnay is an important RP region that made it the target, it's because it is important. The fact that RP is where it derives its importance isn't overly relevant, at least not to me.

[Rephesus]

Precisely. I don't see why your surprised that the majority of RPers are pissed at this intentional targeting of RP regions for the sole purpose of invoking anger and possible flaming.

All regions are targeted which aren't Raider in origin. RP'ers are nothing special in this regard, it isn't because Ixnay is an important RP region that made it the target, it's because it is important. The fact that RP is where it derives its importance isn't overly relevant, at least not to me.

It clearly is to the raiders involved, and they obviously are special to raiders, seeing as they intentionally targeted an RP region, right after your resolution (which inflamed the RP community) failed, coincidence? I don't think so.

[Mallorea and Riva]

All regions are targeted which aren't Raider in origin. RP'ers are nothing special in this regard, it isn't because Ixnay is an important RP region that made it the target, it's because it is important. The fact that RP is where it derives its importance isn't overly relevant, at least not to me.

It clearly is to the raiders involved, and they obviously are special to raiders, seeing as they intentionally targeted an RP region, right after your resolution (which inflamed the RP community) failed, coincidence? I don't think so.

If you read this thread you would see that you have the causality of this completely wrong.

[Rephesus]

It clearly is to the raiders involved, and they obviously are special to raiders, seeing as they intentionally targeted an RP region, right after your resolution (which inflamed the RP community) failed, coincidence? I don't think so.

If you read this thread you would see that you have the causality of this completely wrong.

I have read this thread. And it's blatantly clear that Ixnay was targeted solely because it is an RP region without a founder.

[Lemmrod]

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