INS Reports: Trouble in TS-Paradise for new delegate Escade

[Whamabama]

A bit shocking that this has come to these boards really. Not necessarily the news thing, but the arguments.

Though understandable to a degree. I know I don't think I would be happy about this situation either.

I think what has been missing, but hinted at is the cabinet was to make a decision, a decision was made. Then a cabinet member who I would imagine had his chance to voice his thoughts on it, did not win the majority of the cabinet. Thus the cabinet releasing the statement it did.

Not being happy that the majority did not following his lead, he released his own statement from his office to the rest of the region in hopes he could gain a majority elsewhere. In the process undermining everybody else in the cabinet. Am I missing anything?

[Evil Lord Sauron]

A bit shocking that this has come to these boards really. Not necessarily the news thing, but the arguments.

Though understandable to a degree. I know I don't think I would be happy about this situation either.

I think what has been missing, but hinted at is the cabinet was to make a decision, a decision was made. Then a cabinet member who I would imagine had his chance to voice his thoughts on it, did not win the majority of the cabinet. Thus the cabinet releasing the statement it did.

Not being happy that the majority did not following his lead, he released his own statement from his office to the rest of the region in hopes he could gain a majority elsewhere. In the process undermining everybody else in the cabinet. Am I missing anything?

The teacup.

[All Good People]

The teacup.

*applauds* Well played.

[South Pacific Belschaft]

A bit shocking that this has come to these boards really. Not necessarily the news thing, but the arguments.

Though understandable to a degree. I know I don't think I would be happy about this situation either.

I think what has been missing, but hinted at is the cabinet was to make a decision, a decision was made. Then a cabinet member who I would imagine had his chance to voice his thoughts on it, did not win the majority of the cabinet. Thus the cabinet releasing the statement it did.

Not being happy that the majority did not following his lead, he released his own statement from his office to the rest of the region in hopes he could gain a majority elsewhere. In the process undermining everybody else in the cabinet. Am I missing anything?

Not really, no.

Edit: One thing; that Glen was explicitly told not to do what he chose to do by the Delegate and other Cabinet members, and then chose to go ahead and do it anyway.

[Hileville]

Hileville himself has started a recall motion against the Chair of the Assembly, and currently enjoys widespread support within the Assembly. Both motions will go to vote on the 16th of this month and the INS predicts that Glen-Rhodes will be recalled - despite delegate Escade's request that Assembly members vote against the recall - and Hileville will not be.

Seems like they don't care about the appearance of "cabinet unity". Glen-Rhodes did what he thought was right, Hileville and friends are doing what they think what is a political opportunity to get Glen out of the cabinet -- Hileville couldn't care if the cabinet looked as divided as sliced bread.

I fully supported a second term for Glen. I voted for him in BOTH of his elections and nominated him for the second term. Do not begin to tell me what I am thinking and what my motives are. You have no clue. I have grown increasingly tired of your continued tirade against TSP foreign policy. Your signature on the TSP forums is deplorable and every chance you get you have been vocal and harassive towards many members of TSP that do not fall in line with your personal beliefs. Do everyone in TSP a favor and show that you can remove your personal beliefs and work towards what is best for the region. Be productive instead of destructive for once in your career with TSP. You are quickly beginning to go down the same path you did when we first discussed the TNI treaty. Take a break and think about how you want to be thought of by everyone else in the region.

What Glen did was unacceptable. He is not the MoFA. I fully support him giving his opinion which he already had on several occasions in the Assembly. Issuing an official statement from his office was done to purposely undermine the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the entire Cabinet. I will continue to stand behind his recall.

Whoever is running this news service I would appreciate it if you allowed internal TSP affairs to be kept as such. Even Unibot didn't run a piece with one of his two news services.

[Unibot III]

I wouldn't have my personal beliefs if I didn't think they were best for the region. That's not something you put aside. Not ever. Not for you, not for your friends, not even for me. The TSP-TNI treaty has not been good for TSP, I'm glad that I opposed it then and I don't trust you to do what is right for TSP.

[The North Polish Union]

I wouldn't have my personal beliefs if I didn't think they were best for the region. That's not something you put aside. Not ever. Not for you, not for your friends, not even for me. The TSP-TNI treaty has not been good for TSP, I'm glad that I opposed it then and I don't trust you to do what is right for TSP.

But your sig on TSP's forums... It looks like some kind of hallucinogenic-induced anti-TNI propaganda, and bad propaganda at that.

[Hileville]

I wouldn't have my personal beliefs if I didn't think they were best for the region. That's not something you put aside. Not ever. Not for you, not for your friends, not even for me. The TSP-TNI treaty has not been good for TSP, I'm glad that I opposed it then and I don't trust you to do what is right for TSP.

Yet you voted for me.

[South Pacific Belschaft]

This dispute boils down to the following;

In TSP there is a moderate pro-Independence majority that governs the region. There is also a radical moralistic-defender minority. Five members of the Cabinet come from the first; Glen comes from the second. Finding himself outvoted by the majority, Glen threw a tantrum and now has to deal with the consequences.

The addition of Unibot's personal brand of insane ideologueary simply leads to a lot more noise and ranting.

[Unibot III]

I wouldn't have my personal beliefs if I didn't think they were best for the region. That's not something you put aside. Not ever. Not for you, not for your friends, not even for me. The TSP-TNI treaty has not been good for TSP, I'm glad that I opposed it then and I don't trust you to do what is right for TSP.

But yet you voted for me.

There were no choices in the election, it was the difference between voting for TNI's hack or TNI's hack. I was close to voting for HEM, Hileville - that's how much your campaign turned me off.

[Unibot III]

This dispute boils down to the following;

In TSP there is a moderate pro-Independence majority that governs the region. There is also a radical moralistic-defender minority. Five members of the Cabinet come from the first; Glen comes from the second. Finding himself outvoted by the majority, Glen threw a tantrum and now has to deal with the consequences.

The addition of Unibot's personal brand of insane ideologueary simply leads to a lot more noise and ranting.

Glen acted calmly and rationally. Stating his argument to The Assembly.

The peoples who are throwing a tantrum are the angry pro-Independents who bully the region into submission. When The South Pacific stops thinking, the mob rule takes over as usual - and you and Hileville and Southern Bellz are usually there, leading the way with pitchforks and torches.

[North East Somerset]

I wouldn't have my personal beliefs if I didn't think they were best for the region. That's not something you put aside. Not ever. Not for you, not for your friends, not even for me. The TSP-TNI treaty has not been good for TSP, I'm glad that I opposed it then and I don't trust you to do what is right for TSP.

A little pressure, and the mask is slipping.

The crux of the matter is that Unibot can't trust anyone to hold any position responsibly unless they have (in his mind) signed their soul to him by joining the UDL. Only he knows what is best for TSP. Best for the GCRs. Best for everyone in Nationstates! None of you other mere mortals know what is right - only those guided by the light - Lux aeterna, know what is truly right... lol

There were no choices in the election, it was the difference between voting for TNI's hack or TNI's hack. I was close to voting for HEM, Hileville - that's how much your campaign turned me off.

Hileville: TNI's hack? What exactly are you taking?...

[Unibot III]

The crux of the matter is that Unibot can't trust anyone to hold any position responsibly unless they have (in his mind) signed their soul to him by joining the UDL. Only he knows what is best for TSP. Best for the GCRs. Best for everyone in Nationstates! None of you other mere mortals know what is right - only those guided by the light - Lux aeterna, know what is truly right... lol

Yeah, that sounds about right. Or not? Well. Can't blame you for trying to spin that as "crazy moralist" as usual - but it's kind of getting repetitive from you.

[Unibot III]

Hileville: TNI's hack? What exactly are you taking?...

I accused two people of being TNI's hack.

Good to see the mask slipping on you too.

[Hileville]

But yet you voted for me.

There were no choices in the election, it was the difference between voting for TNI's hack or TNI's hack. I was close to voting for HEM, Hileville - that's how much your campaign turned me off.

I can't even come up with words to respond to this.

[The North Polish Union]

The crux of the matter is that Unibot can't trust anyone to hold any position responsibly unless they have (in his mind) signed their soul to him by joining the UDL. Only he knows what is best for TSP. Best for the GCRs. Best for everyone in Nationstates! None of you other mere mortals know what is right - only those guided by the light - Lux aeterna, know what is truly right... lol

Yeah, that sounds about right. Or not? Well. Can't blame you for trying to spin that as "crazy moralist" as usual - but it's kind of getting repetitive from you.

Were you actually going to reply to NES? Or is that beneath you since he's a TNI member?

[Cerian Quilor]

I wouldn't have my personal beliefs if I didn't think they were best for the region. That's not something you put aside. Not ever. Not for you, not for your friends, not even for me. The TSP-TNI treaty has not been good for TSP, I'm glad that I opposed it then and I don't trust you to do what is right for TSP.

How so? Prove it.

[North East Somerset]

Hileville: TNI's hack? What exactly are you taking?...

I accused two people of being TNI's hack.

Good to see the mask slipping on you too.

Yes, well we both know Europeia has belonged to "TNI" (or vice-versa!) in your world of propaganda for years now, that is nothing new or worthy of note. I just thought the Hileville allegation was so absurd it warranted 'special attention'.

[Sandaoguo]

This dispute boils down to the following;

In TSP there is a moderate pro-Independence majority that governs the region. There is also a radical moralistic-defender minority. Five members of the Cabinet come from the first; Glen comes from the second. Finding himself outvoted by the majority, Glen threw a tantrum and now has to deal with the consequences.

The addition of Unibot's personal brand of insane ideologueary simply leads to a lot more noise and ranting.

The idea that this has anything to do with me being a defender is absurd. Just stop, Belschaft.

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[The North Polish Union]

Frankly, it seems that a lot of people in TSP don't seem to understand the concepts of separation of powers or checks and balances.

Agreed. Minority rights often aren't respected by the Majority.

The minority has no rights except for those rights delegated to them by the majority.

[Solorni]

Agreed. Minority rights often aren't respected by the Majority.

The minority has no rights except for those rights delegated to them by the majority.

But what if the minority rules?

[Christopher Bishop]

The minority has no rights except for those rights delegated to them by the majority.

But what if the minority rules?

Wouldn't they then be the majority?

[Solorni]

But what if the minority rules?

Wouldn't they then be the majority?

No? Who rules doesn't always mean the largest group and it's possible for a minority to run a country. The most obvious example ofc is Apartheid which had way more blacks than whites and yet the white minority ran the country for a while. I didn't want to use that one... but in terms of another RL nation... Rwanda with the Hutus and the Tutsis, both groups have ran the country at various times however one is a majority and the other is a minority (I think it's the Hutus who are the majority and the Tutsis are the minority). My point is that even if a minority gains power, it does not mean that it is a majority (that is if we're just majority as a statement on society).

[Wickedly evil people]

why are you all arguing about this in public?


if you're pro independent and anti moralistic defender you're on the right side.


banject everyone that isn't pro independent and move on, call it a fake democracy like you're done all along and we'll all pretend to believe you like before.

[Vladisvok Destino]

People expected a defender like Glen to be loyal?

Kind of like expecting Hile to act in TSPs interest after swearing allegiance to BoM.

I, Hileville, swear that I have, to the best of my knowledge, been completely truthful in applying for citizenship in the Osiris Fraternal Order and that I have no other NationStates identity that has not been made known to the Pharaoh. I swear my allegiance to the Osiris Fraternal Order, its Pharaoh, and its citizens, and I swear not to engage in hostilities against the Osiris Fraternal Order or to violate its laws and rules. I swear my allegiance to The Brotherhood of Malice which has freed Osiris from defender tyranny and shown us the path to true independence.

Fairly obvious why he's the one who drafted the recall.