Embassy of the South Pacific

[Solorni]

He can't even win the election for speaker

[Glen-Rhodes]

Not to mention me, guys. I'm a great TSPer who was ROBBED of his one change at being VD.

[Belschaft]

Tsu ranks up there in the (very-small) list of great TSPers who had never held the Delegacy despite years of service. The only two who still come to mind immediately as belonging to the list would be HEM and the much missed TCT.

Tsrill, Mavenu, etc...? No offense to HEM, but they'd certainly precede him in most people's books.

There were a lot of great players during the Caer/Fudgie era who never saw the seat.

Tsrill I'd probably put on the list, but I never interacted with him as much as I would have liked. Mavenu was entirely before my time, though I've read plenty of stuff in the historical aarchives where he comes up. Neither would be particularly familiar to most modern TSPers (and mores the pity) so I used HEM and TCT as examples - HEM as he's still active and welll known to the modern crowd, and TCT due to his pure undiluted awesomeness.

[Belschaft]

Not to mention me, guys. I'm a great TSPer who was ROBBED of his one change at being VD.

I still think you should run for Delegate. There's no way in hell I'd vote for you, but your platform and the associated debates would likely be interesting and productive for the region.

[Kringalia]

5 minutes ago: The Swiftly Tilting Land of Tsunamy replaced The Santa Claus of Kringalia as WA Delegate.

Congratulations Tsu!

[Unibot III]

Tsrill I'd probably put on the list, but I never interacted with him as much as I would have liked. Mavenu was entirely before my time, though I've read plenty of stuff in the historical aarchives where he comes up. Neither would be particularly familiar to most modern TSPers (and mores the pity) so I used HEM and TCT as examples - HEM as he's still active and welll known to the modern crowd, and TCT due to his pure undiluted awesomeness.

Mavenu was great and probably should have been delegate instead of extending Fudge's reign three years long.

[Kringalia]

Mavenu was actually asked to go for Delegate, but refused, insisting they preferred to implement policy, rather than set it. A shame, but Mavenu still did a lot of good in his (?) time.

[Southern Bellz]

HEM could have been delegate. He beat me in a brave little toaster endorsement race and would have been delegate, but we had a conversation, and I felt like he was in it for the wrong reasons at the time and he ultimately withdrew from the race.

Part of me wishes I didn't do that, but my feelings were 100% sincere at the time. I also felt that HEM and I became a lot closer after that, and he eventually became my Vice Delegate and is someone I consider a long time friend.

[Dyr Nasad]

Mav was a great player and was the forumside face of TSP early in my career; he would certainly have made an equally great delegate. We became friends by having so many shared ambassadorial assignments

[Eluvatar]

Mavenu was always an excellent partner.

[Darkesia]

Mavenu was a voice of reason representing TSP as far back as Neutral Territory. I always liked that critter.

[Eluvatar]

Mavenu was a voice of reason representing TSP as far back as Neutral Territory. I always liked that critter.

The idea of Neutral Territory as something that happened a long time still weirds me out.

[Kringalia]

Neutral Territory?

[Vojislav]

Neutral Territory?

It was a discussion held back in ~2008, fronted by Gatesville and others.

[Unibot III]

A conference in 2008 addressing the great decline... a think-tank of sorts on how to save NS from an impending doom of inactivity and boredom.

[Southern Bellz]

Was that the forum where people from other regions declared TSP unfit to run itself?

[Unibot III]

Was that the forum where people from other regions declared TSP unfit to run itself?

Might have been - the same crowd later influenced Sedge a lot during the 2011 coup, two years later. Seemed to be of the opinion that TSP was "boring" and foreigners had the right to force political change.

[Todd McCloud]

Was that the forum where people from other regions declared TSP unfit to run itself?

Might have been - the same crowd later influenced Sedge a lot during the 2011 coup, two years later. Seemed to be of the opinion that TSP was "boring" and foreigners had the right to force political change.

I remember the conference. I think what spurred that is many in TSP didn't arrive until people started talking about that stuff. Then people started getting involved, but by then it was kind of negative fighting. They might not have initially shown due to the conference being hosted by Gatesville, but I don't believe many (probably little to none) were in on the coup - the conference was in 2007, the coup was in 2011. Rather, I suspect The Empire may have come from that conference.

I also don't really think it was a major influence, but only Sedge knows that. Could be wrong.

(EDIT: had to add some stuff)

[Unibot III]

Rather, I suspect The Empire may have come from that conference.

That's what I meant. The holdouts from The Empire were in TRR and prominent voices there when Sedge couped TSP - if you recall, TRR had essentially been inherited by Nai and several of her friends, Biyah and Dali, among others, joined TRR during the constitutional reboot. I know Sedge has said Nai was a big influence on his beliefs, post-Crimson, when he was lambasted as FRA AC for intervening against Westwind and co.'s personal coup of The North Pacific for the "good of the region" or whatever nonsense they contrived at the time.

Most coups, I believe, are either selfish endeavors, or so self-deluded as to think they are actually anything but a vehicle for the self-interests of a few elites. There's usually a clear beneficiary for each coup, be it The Core or The Crimson Order or The Empire or The ACC or The Farkers or whatever; Sedge's coup in TSP was just smart enough to hide the intended beneficiary and pretend as though it was an 'anarchic' open democracy for the sake of the strength of that populism. Most rhetoric is even more thick-headed than that, by deciding unilaterally for the rest of the region that the change they want is the change that directly hands them institutional power over any given region.

[Todd McCloud]

Rather, I suspect The Empire may have come from that conference.

That's what I meant. The holdouts from The Empire were in TRR and prominent voices there when Sedge couped TSP - if you recall, TRR had essentially been inherited by Nai and several of her friends, Biyah and Dali, among others, joined TRR during the constitutional reboot. I know Sedge has said Nai was a big influence on his beliefs, post-Crimson, when he was lambasted as FRA AC for intervening against Westwind and co.'s personal coup of The North Pacific for the "good of the region" or whatever nonsense they contrived at the time.

Most coups, I believe, are either selfish endeavors, or so self-deluded as to think they are actually anything but a vehicle for the self-interests of a few elites. There's usually a clear beneficiary for each coup, be it The Core or The Crimson Order or The Empire or The ACC or The Farkers or whatever; Sedge's coup in TSP was just smart enough to hide the intended beneficiary and pretend as though it was an 'anarchic' open democracy for the sake of the strength of that populism. Most rhetoric is even more thick-headed than that, by deciding unilaterally for the rest of the region that the change they want is the change that directly hands them institutional power over any given region.

Oh, yeah I remember that part. Fun times, kind of, lol.

I am not sure about the intent behind most coups - I do believe some people attempt it for the good of the region, well, what they believe to be good for the region. But it's difficult to say. I would say that Sedge's coup didn't really appear to have any immediate benefits other than perhaps joining the feeder tyrant's club (which I hear is a rather exclusive and secretive group). But it always made me wonder, for instance, where TEP would be without the Empire coup, or where TSP would be without Sedge's coup. As I recall, the traumatic events opened the door for a lot of new faces in the region, especially new faces within the region prior to the intervention and some UCR peeps using it as an excuse to try out gameplay politics. I mean, speaking from experience, I don't know how active I would've been in TEP if Gnidrah was still commanding things in 2009, for instance. That's not to say I think all types of coups have long-lasting positive consequences from their outcomes, but I think in some respects, as Milo pointed out long after his coup, there needs to be a fall guy sometimes.

I know you and I most likely disagree with that, which is fine. But it's just my take. I know this game would probably be pretty boring if everyone played nice all of the time.

[Todd McCloud]

Mavenu was always an excellent partner.

Dang. Now I miss Mav

His diplomacy really kept things afloat in TSP for many such instances.

[Tsunamy]

THE CABINET OF THE SOUTH PACIFIC

Statement on the Situation in Lazarus

The South Pacific is greatly saddened by the recent events in our friend and ally, Lazarus, and we sincerely hope for a speedy and amicable resolution.

As the oldest democracy in NationStates, we certainly understand the need to have a government of checks and balances and governmental officials who are held accountable to the people of the region. We strongly believe that the fundamental rights of the Lazarene citizens should be respected and urge those involved to put the region and its citizens ahead of personal power grabs.

As such, out of respect for the government-in-exile, The South Pacific will be closing its in-game embassy with Lazarus until such time that this dispute is resolved. We hope that the region will be reunited and that the People's Republic of Lazarus will once again assume its rightful place as Lazarus' government.

The Cabinet of the South Pacific

[Joshua Ravenclaw]

-snip-

Sack the statement writer. When I read that statement I got the impression that The South Pacific was nothing more than a disinterested party looking down its nose at Lazarus, not the close ally and friend that numerous people in TSP have claimed Lazarus is.

When the Osiris Fraternal Order's Statement is stronger, when the two regions historically do not get on and only have cordial communication between regions, then there is something wrong.

[Meow Zedong]

THE CABINET OF THE SOUTH PACIFIC

Statement on the Situation in Lazarus

As such, out of respect for the government-in-exile, The South Pacific will be closing its in-game embassy with Lazarus until such time that this dispute is resolved. We hope that the region will be reunited and that the People's Republic of Lazarus will once again assume its rightful place as Lazarus' government.

The Cabinet of the South Pacific

Bao Li hopes that TSP will help Lazarus' legitimate government regain power, as he believes Stujenske will stop his parents from writing to him on the weekends.



All statements attributed to Bao Li are projections by the Permanent Staff of Former Commissar for Panda Diplomacy, Meow Zedong. They are not to be taken as accurate representations of Bao Li's thoughts, but rather as accurate representations of Bao Li's subconscious. All statements attributed to Bao Li are made for his own good.

[Tsunamy]

Sack the statement writer. When I read that statement I got the impression that The South Pacific was nothing more than a disinterested party looking down its nose at Lazarus, not the close ally and friend that numerous people in TSP have claimed Lazarus is.

When the Osiris Fraternal Order's Statement is stronger, when the two regions historically do not get on and only have cordial communication between regions, then there is something wrong.

Thanks for that, Raven. Your constructive criticism is greatly appreciated.

As I'm sure you're aware, I've never been one for long-winded statements that are ultimately meaningless. Instead, I've clearly stated our position, have been in personal communication with the government-in-exile and have followed up with action.

Until the gentleman from Alexandria, Osiris (and, any other regions at the moment?) is once again privy to foreign affairs discussions in TSP, I'll ask that he refrain from taking pot shots from the peanut gallery.