The Tragedy of Influence, Oligarchs and The South Pacific

[Zemnaya Svoboda]

Some statistics;

There were 532 WA nations in TSP last friday.
There are 521 now, of which 69 weren't in the WA last friday.
80 WAs from Friday are now gone.
Of the 69 new WAs, they can be split into 13 who were in TSP and joined the WA and 56 who were not in TSP last Friday.
Of the 13 who were, 2 are endorsing Milograd and the rest are not.
Of the 56 who were not, 48 are endorsing milograd and the rest are not.
Milograd is being supported by 48 foreign WA's who have entered TSP since his coup.

Sources:
Eluvatar's saved nations.xml dump from Friday, the current API results for nations in TSP, nations in the WA, and nations endorsing Milograd

note: the sha1sum of the nations.xml saved from friday is a3975f9d6feb92594e3c83fb1a9dd552901f0d53

Numbers ^_^

You seem to be forgetting that the region you're talking about is a game created region where new nations are spawned. It doesn't take a genius to simply create a few nations and wait until they are spawned directly into TSP, and then join the WA, for either side, supporting or not.

Really, it's not that difficult. Anyone with a minimum of experience in raiding will know how to gain this extra stealth.

Your statistics don't represent the reality.

I repeat, that was 56 TSP WAs that had not been in TSP the previous friday. That includes both newly created nations and relocated nations.

[Astracarn]

Greetings;

• I do not intend to suppress messages on the regional message board.

You're funny.

[Azurand]

Greetings;

• I do not intend to suppress messages on the regional message board.

You're funny.

Copypasta spam is copypasta spam. Those who seek to misuse freedom will not get the freedom.

Dear Leader is Just.

[Milograd]

Greetings;

• I do not intend to suppress messages on the regional message board.

You're funny.

I suppressed a spammer because moderators weren't online. The user in question posted his message nearly twenty times and I left a couple of them unsuppressed so that the content of his message would still be available to see.

[Astracarn]

You're funny.

I suppressed a spammer because moderators weren't online. The user in question posted his message nearly twenty times and I left a couple of them unsuppressed so that the content of his message would still be available to see.

Fair enough.

((The more I read about the whole TSP coup, the more I start to support it. Yikes.))

[Azurand]

The Power of Enlightenment!

[Milograd]

I suppressed a spammer because moderators weren't online. The user in question posted his message nearly twenty times and I left a couple of them unsuppressed so that the content of his message would still be available to see.

Fair enough.

((The more I read about the whole TSP coup, the more I start to support it. Yikes.))

A lot of people feel that way, you're not the only one! The counterrevolutionaries are using my suppression of a serial spammer as propaganda against me, but in reality the nation's message wasn't really suppressed. It was just shown less but otherwise it was left visible. TSP's RMB is coated with statements of support for our progress and statements that say that people stand against my delegacy. Ultimately, they have been left untouched and that is the truth of this matter. If you go look at the RMB, you will see this.

I do not suppress; I do not oppress.

[Cerian Quilor]

There is nothing to support. This changes nothing about influence (which wasn't a problem in TSP's actual governance anyway).

[Ofly]

There is nothing to support. This changes nothing about influence (which wasn't a problem in TSP's actual governance anyway).

Clearly you have not yet had your eyes opened to the devious ways of the Oligarchs. They hide their oppression behind a sham democracy so that the Proletariat will be deceived into submission. Truly an insidious plot against the minnows of The South Pacific and all regions! The people of The South Pacific support his Glorious Revolution because he has opened our eyes, and we cry with joy to know he is still fighting the reactionaries to keep us safe ;~;

[Cromarty]

There is nothing to support. This changes nothing about influence (which wasn't a problem in TSP's actual governance anyway).

Clearly you have not yet had your eyes opened to the devious ways of the Oligarchs. They hide their oppression behind a sham democracy so that the Proletariat will be deceived into submission. Truly an insidious plot against the minnows of The South Pacific and all regions! The people of The South Pacific support his Glorious Revolution because he has opened our eyes, and we cry with joy to know he is still fighting the reactionaries to keep us safe ;~;

All said by a nation that up until this week was not in The South Pacific.

Foreign infiltrator is foreign.

[Ofly]

Clearly you have not yet had your eyes opened to the devious ways of the Oligarchs. They hide their oppression behind a sham democracy so that the Proletariat will be deceived into submission. Truly an insidious plot against the minnows of The South Pacific and all regions! The people of The South Pacific support his Glorious Revolution because he has opened our eyes, and we cry with joy to know he is still fighting the reactionaries to keep us safe ;~;

All said by a nation that up until this week was not in The South Pacific.

Foreign infiltrator is foreign.

Nay, there are no foreigners among the working class minnows! We are all insolidarity. Regional borders mean nothing compared to those of class! The South Pacific is simply the catalyst for the rise of the downtrodden classes worldwide!

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[Cromarty]

All said by a nation that up until this week was not in The South Pacific.

Foreign infiltrator is foreign.

Nay, there are no foreigners among the working class minnows! We are all insolidarity. Regional borders mean nothing compared to those of class! The South Pacific is simply the catalyst for the rise of the downtrodden classes worldwide!

Says the puppet of an II RP Mentor.

Psst, being staff on this site means you aren't a Prole. Milograd too, isn't a Prole. And is definitely an Oligarch in TSP.

[Glory to Milograd]

Nay, there are no foreigners among the working class minnows! We are all insolidarity. Regional borders mean nothing compared to those of class! The South Pacific is simply the catalyst for the rise of the downtrodden classes worldwide!

Says the puppet of an II RP Mentor.

Psst, being staff on this site means you aren't a Prole. Milograd too, isn't a Prole. And is definitely an Oligarch in TSP.

Don't try to fool us with your imperialist bourgeois lies.

[Akimonad]

We're hardly staff, to be honest.

[Sovreignry]

Believe it or not, it's possible to have an all volunteer staff, just like, *gasp* this entire website!

[Akimonad]

The only benefit I derive from being a mentor is a Postmaster account, which is irrelevant in my case since one was gifted to me anyway.

None of us are mods, and our scope is limited to the roleplay forums.

[Common Territories]

Greetings;

First and foremost, allow me to describe a few terms that I will be using herein.

• Proletariat: Minnows and nations that consider TSP to be their home, but are not included in its governance due to their disintrest in participating in an off-site forum. Furthermore, nations that would feel inclined to try to make their voice heard but don't due to the common perception that such is futile thanks to the fact that the oligarchy may dispose of them with ease.
• Oligarchy / Bourgeoisie: High-influence nations like Fudgetopia who are no longer active but still control the region because they control the means of production.
• Means of Production: Influence. Influence is the one thing that has kept the South Pacific's government alive, and its lopsided distribution in the South Pacific along with the enforcement of an endorsement cap has left the proletariat virtually voiceless, vulnerable, and forced to conform.

Now, as many people have noticed, a situation has been brewing in the South Pacific for the last twelve hours. People have been questioning my motives, supporting me, attacking me, and arguing that I am a tyrant. I am obviously biased so I cannot refute those claims but I feel compelled to clarify my motivations and objectives.

A few sentiments deserve to be noted here and now:

• I do not intend to suppress messages on the regional message board.
• I do not intend to force an endorsement cap during this process.
• Henceforth, I do not intend to banish additional nations from the region so as long as they are not here in the name of foreign interests.

My goal here is to protest an injustice in my home region and, now that I think about it, it is an injustice that other regions are plagued by as well. Depending on the feedback I receive from the proletariat, our protest may turn into a revolution of thought and education regarding the role of influence and endorsements.

I know that "this sort of affair" is usually expected to entail a tyrannical plot to oppress everyone, but truth be told this will hopefully be a grand opportunity for us to experiment in improving the true representation of the people's will through our government in the South Pacific. I do not believe I will be able to hold the South Pacific for much longer but it is important to note that I am a concerned resident of the region and have been for two years. People have been responding to my actions with the usual "if you wanted change you should have worked the system" argument, but these people seem to forget that I have tried that already. I, like many others before me, could not work against the oligarch's interest in the very system they forged. It has been designed to serve their interests.

What are their interests? That's simple: they are solely interested in maintaining their grasp over TSP.

In my time in TSP I have realized that the desires, goals, and beliefs of new nations are far too often dictated to or suppressed by a pressure to comply with the high-influence oligarchy that has kept the region under their grasp for years now. Nations like Fudgetopia who haven't been active in years can shut down anything that they don't agree with at the snap of their fingers. Appropriately enough, the efforts to remove me from the region and its delegacy entails using her nation to take the delegacy again, even though she doesn't actively play anymore. Now, of course, this statement will be responded to with nonsense about how TSP is democratic, but the people with the most say in TSP are the ones that service the desires of the oligarchs and/or their ideals: other nations know that they won't be given as large a voice unless they visibly conform. I am dedicated to serving the people's cause in TSP and I wish to see the people's will truly represented. I wish to fight against the tool of oppression, influence, which is why I have abolished the tyrannical endorsement cap.

I am not suppressing dissent on the RMB because I am truly interested in hearing the thoughts of the region. I am letting people speak their minds and I am encouraging the region's many nations to get educated about influence and take it back, per say.

Perhaps I am a rare exception, but I find it ironic and disappointing that the region where new nations spawn is dictated to by the wills of the inactive and ancient hordes. They no longer regularly maintain the region. In the beginning, people truly supported the government of the South Pacific, but as time passes and generations fade, we find ourselves at a point where influence is the only thing truly keeping their grasp on the region alive, even though they aren't actively involved or dedicated anymore. The select few nations that use their lopsided influence to maintain their grasp on the region of thousands resort to bringing in outsiders to let them use that influence. They do this because they know they cannot maintain their hold in the region otherwise.

Therefore, I am encouraging the masses to help weaken the effects of influence as a tool for oppression. Balance needs to be brought to it and it needs to happen soon. The South Pacific is similar to another feeder that is oppressed by the lack of balance in influence — the West Pacific — but the difference between our regions is that TSP contorts itself to the will of foreigners while TWP does not. Regardless, the masses of both regions suffer the plight of having a series of oligarchs with a lopsided amount of influence compared to them, and they can never reasonably hope to match their influence levels. They are thus eternally subjected to this tyranny.

Our sister-feeder regions are also subject to the same oligarchies derived by influence. We have recently seen, in the case of The West Pacific, what happens when a Delegate falls out of favour of the established influence clique. Eli (aka Wickedly Evil People), who has the most influence in The West Pacific, quickly took control of the delegacy from Yy4u. Yy4u was more active and dedicated to TWP than Eli had been in years, and yet he was easily deposed because he didn't take the region in the direction the old oligarch desired. Yy4u never had a chance at fighting back.

I am also dismayed that the South Pacific's government has decayed in recent years and it is now a spineless institution that stands for nothing but continuing its existence. It has no ideology other than "democracy". Their idea of "democracy" actually entails nothing more than a few individuals whom are friendly with the oligarchy taking advantage of those that they consider to be lemmings. The region also claims to be independent, but buzzwords like "neutrality" and "independent" have been used to justify inoffensive inaction that will surely help prevent any threats to the region's one true goal — its continued, meaningless existence — from rising up. In my capacity as delegate, I was recently asked to bend over backwards to serve the interests of the United Defenders League "and the South Pacific" by bringing the two back together as allies. The UDL's leadership, as has been shown in the past, does not respect GCR sovereignty. Indeed, I was asked by a servant of the oligarchy to pay lip service to a hostile institution that would help fulfill the government's sole goal of survival in exchange for us forwarding their interests. The government truly does not stand for anything and therefore it has no problem contorting itself to serve the interests of those who will support its continued, tragic existence.

It is almost certain that I will lose the delegacy in the South Pacific soon but, in the end, my disposal from the delegacy will occur with no thanks to the objection of the people. My removal from the delegacy will occur due to the bourgeoisie's firm grasp on influence and their willingness to fellate opportunistic foreign imperialists who wish to use TSP's status and resources as a feeder to further their own agenda. Those foreign imperialists will and already have scurried to support the oligarchy because they know that their endorsements can counter-balance those of the proletariat. When the oligarchy inevitably resumes power, these external influences will be rewarded with even more control and influence over our futures, in return for their assistance in perpetuating an entitled, inactive, and elitist status quo. They are well aware of this and that is what motivates them.

Ultimately, that is the tragedy of the South Pacific, oligarchs, and influence that I protest.

Sincerely,
Milograd
Eternal Comrade of the South Pacific

The hell milo? You going all commie on me now

Anyways Im not really arguing your motives or whatnot; I cannot. The fact is from what im seeing is that your doing this because you wish to protest. I admit I am not informed on TSP government or what not, even though you have invited me to join the region before and I gave interest, I still not have yet but maybe after this I mite seriously consider it. I know regional government first hand and left it once my original region played dirty politics, slander, and other methods that simply disgusted me and drove me away from regional government. Your actions inspire me to give thought of maybe putting my hat back into the ring. A person like yourself willing to commit evil to destroy a different more sinister evil is inspiring. I cannot fully support your actions though since you did use forceful methods (though I rationally agree with you), I cannot ignore that I am a proud UDL member and have a just moral value system; therefor I must conclude that your are guilty of some things and of guilty of good things. Fight on! That is all I can say.

[Cerian Quilor]

Except that Influence isn't evil and there's barely one iota of truth in Milo's 'manifesto'.

[Kiewa]

Except that Influence isn't evil and there's barely one iota of truth in Milo's 'manifesto'.

Influence is an unnecessary system of the oligarchy's oppression. They use it to enforce the laws of their grand cabal in an effort to perpetuate their privileged status as the region's elite, all the while neglecting the needs of the people.

[Jugovenia]

The end of influence shall be the end of the oligarchal classes' iron grip upon the brave legions of the proletariat! The corrupt influence system shall be torn down by the revolutionary zeal of numberless workers in a cyclone of socialist righteousness.

[Cromarty]

Yeah, and I'm about to made a game moderator.

[Sheepatropolis]

The end of influence shall be the end of the oligarchal classes' iron grip upon the brave legions of the proletariat! The corrupt influence system shall be torn down by the revolutionary zeal of numberless workers in a cyclone of socialist righteousness.

This summarizes in a nutshell what The South Pacific has become now.

Mindless rhetoric and zero substance. The region is falling apart. Milograd and his supporters can continue to spout nonsense, but the truth is clear for anyone to see the state of things in The South Pacific. They aren't doing anything.

Lot of talking. Little of much else, really. Blah oppression blah influence blah freedom blah idealogical blah.

I'm struggling to see how this is any way an improvement. Milograd could have used his Delegacy in so many meaningful and positive ways to bring about change. I find it hard to believe that this was the conclusion he came to solve the problems he claims the region faced. This seems, if anything, to be the least constructive method possible.

[Revolutionary Leistung (Ancient)]

The end of influence shall be the end of the oligarchal classes' iron grip upon the brave legions of the proletariat! The corrupt influence system shall be torn down by the revolutionary zeal of numberless workers in a cyclone of socialist righteousness.

This summarizes in a nutshell what The South Pacific has become now.

Mindless rhetoric and zero substance. The region is falling apart. Milograd and his supporters can continue to spout nonsense, but the truth is clear for anyone to see state of things in The South Pacific. They aren't doing anything.

Lot of talking. Little of much else, really. Blah oppression blah influence blah freedom blah idealogical blah.

As the ousted minister of security I'm sure your assessment of the situation is both unbiased and fair

[Sheepatropolis]

This summarizes in a nutshell what The South Pacific has become now.

Mindless rhetoric and zero substance. The region is falling apart. Milograd and his supporters can continue to spout nonsense, but the truth is clear for anyone to see state of things in The South Pacific. They aren't doing anything.

Lot of talking. Little of much else, really. Blah oppression blah influence blah freedom blah idealogical blah.

As the ousted minister of security I'm sure your assessment of the situation is both unbiased and fair

What has my position as ex minister of security got to do with anything? I've never even heard of you until recent events. If anyone's bias is apparant. It is yours. How can you fight for a region you've never even participated in?

[Our Peoples Progress]

As the ousted minister of security I'm sure your assessment of the situation is both unbiased and fair

What has my position as ex minister of security got to do with anything? I've never even heard of you until recent events. If anyone's bias is apparant. It is yours. How can you fight for a region you've never even participated in?

Comrade Leistung has participated for the past few days, so he has in fact participated. He is new but obviously new nations don't deserve to fight for their regions because they aren't members of your pompous elitist pigdog oligarchy, right?

They aren't doing anything.

I believe you are actually referring to the oligarchy that the people are righteously overthrowing now. It stood for nothing and did nothing meaningful!

Sozialistische Weltrepublik
A whisper goes around the South Pacific:
Worker, don't you hear it?
these are the voices of war ministers:
Worker don't you hear them?
Coal and steel producers are whispering,
Chemical warfare production is whispering too,
The whispering comes from all continents:
Mobilization against the great scarlet movement!
Workers, peasants, Arm yourselves,
Arm yourselves with guns.
Annihilate the fascist bandit armies,
set all Hearts on Fire!
Plant your Red banners of Labor
On every ramp, on every factory.
Rising from the ruins
of the old society
The socialist World Republic!
Workers hear, they gather for battle,
And shout for nation and race.
This is a war of World leaders
Against the working class.
Because the assault against the scarlet movement
Is a strike in the heart of the Revolution.
And the War, which sweeps through countries now,
Is a war against you Proletarian-!
Workers, peasants, Arm yourselves,
Arm yourselves with guns.
Annihilate the fascist bandit armies,
set all Hearts on Fire!
Plant your Red banners of Labor
On every ramp, on every factory.
Rising from the ruins
of the old society
The socialist South Pacific!