The Tragedy of Influence, Oligarchs and The South Pacific

[Cerian Quilor]

Milograd can do whatever he wants as delegate, but it isn't swaying the actual course of the actual government and community that serves as the core heart and soul of TSP.

[Kaidee33]

Explain why you banned me. I have no interest in the government of TSP. If you banned me
Because I am a member of the forums that's stupid. I joined those so I could find someone to answer my questions, I'm not active on them at all!

[Smoya]

Milograd, give me a good reason to side with you. I am currently not in favor of this dictorish thing.

[South Pacific Belschaft]

Far from a tragedy, this is a simple example of influence fulfilling the purpose it was created for; preventing the complete destruction of a community overnight. Where it not for the fact that there were nations in TSP with more influence than Milograd, at this point in time he would have complete and utter free reign to cause even more damage to the region than he has already been able to do.

[AS22]

Far from a tragedy, this is a simple example of influence fulfilling the purpose it was created for; preventing the complete destruction of a community overnight. Where it not for the fact that there were nations in TSP with more influence than Milograd, at this point in time he would have complete and utter free reign to cause even more damage to the region than he has already been able to do.

Who did you vote for in the last two elections again?

[South Pacific Belschaft]

Far from a tragedy, this is a simple example of influence fulfilling the purpose it was created for; preventing the complete destruction of a community overnight. Where it not for the fact that there were nations in TSP with more influence than Milograd, at this point in time he would have complete and utter free reign to cause even more damage to the region than he has already been able to do.

Who did you vote for in the last two elections again?

Ignoring the fact that my vote isn't actually any of your business.... in the last election, Hileville. In the one prior, Milograd.

[Ofly]

An ode to the Revolution! Down with the oligarchs! Down with Influence! Down with the bourgeois!

They were planning to stay on here
earning 100% on their influence
with government jobs and the like
while the people suffered
and to continue in a cruel manner
conspiring against the people
to stay on exploiting it
and then Milograd arrived

And that was the end of the party
the commander arrived and ordered all that to stop

They were planning to stay on here,
taking in more and more endorsements
without suspecting that in the mountains
the future was lightning up
and to continue in a cruel manner
the custom of crime
to turn The South Pacific into an inactive pit
and then Milograd arrived.

They were planning to stay on here
saying that raiders,
defenders, politicals,
were destroying the country,
and to continue in a cruel way
with infamy as their shield
defaming the bearded ones,
and that's when Milograd arrived.

They were planning to stay on here
playing democracy
and the people in its misery
was to end up their days
and to continue in a cruel way
without even bothering with appearances
with theft as their norm,
and that's when Milograd arrived.

[Cerian Quilor]

What Revolution?

[The North Polish Union]

Milograd was elected delegate, thus he is the rightful delegate. If the natives of TSP don't like what he's doing, and don't want him as delegate, they can withdraw their endorsements from him and pick a new delegate.

I doubt Milograd will stop doing what he's doing just because a bunch of people on some forums got together and complained about it

[Sovreignry]

Milograd was elected delegate, thus he is the rightful delegate. If the natives of TSP don't like what he's doing, and don't want him as delegate, they can withdraw their endorsements from him and pick a new delegate.

I doubt Milograd will stop doing what he's doing just because a bunch of people on some forums got together and complained about it

That's all well and good until you realize that he's purging everyone who is unendorsing him in favor of another delegate.

[The North Polish Union]

Milograd was elected delegate, thus he is the rightful delegate. If the natives of TSP don't like what he's doing, and don't want him as delegate, they can withdraw their endorsements from him and pick a new delegate.

I doubt Milograd will stop doing what he's doing just because a bunch of people on some forums got together and complained about it

That's all well and good until you realize that he's purging everyone who is unendorsing him in favor of another delegate.

So do I, at times.

It's all in a day's work for any decent delegate.

[Stedicules]

Milograd was elected delegate, thus he is the rightful delegate. If the natives of TSP don't like what he's doing, and don't want him as delegate, they can withdraw their endorsements from him and pick a new delegate.

I doubt Milograd will stop doing what he's doing just because a bunch of people on some forums got together and complained about it

That's all well and good until you realize that he's purging everyone who is unendorsing him in favor of another delegate.

It is how it should be. Those who don't agree with freedom and liberty must be removed, in order to protect a greater South Pacific democracy.

[The North Polish Union]

That's all well and good until you realize that he's purging everyone who is unendorsing him in favor of another delegate.

It is how it should be. Those who don't agree with freedom and liberty must be removed, in order to protect a greater South Pacific democracy.

That's not how it works at all. Banning those who oppose you is not "freedom and liberty," it's dictatorship.

[Stedicules]

It is how it should be. Those who don't agree with freedom and liberty must be removed, in order to protect a greater South Pacific democracy.

That's not how it works at all. Banning those who oppose you is not "freedom and liberty," it's dictatorship.

Hardly. It's a liberation, if anything. Many must be removed so that the few may be free.

[The North Polish Union]

That's not how it works at all. Banning those who oppose you is not "freedom and liberty," it's dictatorship.

Hardly. It's a liberation, if anything. Many must be removed so that the few may be free.

That's right! Trample the majority for the rights of the minorities! Workers, shake off your chains! All for the Glorious Proletariat! URA! URA! URA!















.....or not

[Stedicules]

Hardly. It's a liberation, if anything. Many must be removed so that the few may be free.

That's right! Trample the majority for the rights of the minorities! Workers, shake off your chains! All for the Glorious Proletariat! URA! URA! URA!

.....or not

its the majority that causes the problems. so yes. shake those chains baby.

[Kanab (Ancient)]

Milograd can do whatever he wants as delegate, but it isn't swaying the actual course of the actual government and community that serves as the core heart and soul of TSP.

The 'actual government' of which you speak is totally imaginary; they have no region or territory to govern. A government without a region - how absurd.

[Letoilenoir]

So Todd.

How long would you have to be exiled from TEP for your influence to diminish back to that of a newcomer?

More importantly would you be prepared to do it?

Same question to all high influence feeder oligarchs

[Deamonopolis]

Glory to Heroic Milograds revolution and vanguardism against the ill tide of the reaction

[South Pacific Belschaft]

On the relatively simple level of game mechanics, this is a load of nonsense. The only person who's influence Milo is reducing is... Milo.

[Charles Cerebella]

As influence is in proportion to the total influence of the region I believe surely he is in effect increasing the influence of other nations by reducing his own and ejecting people?

[South Pacific Belschaft]

As influence is in proportion to the total influence of the region I believe surely he is in effect increasing the influence of other nations by reducing his own and ejecting people?

Marginally, whilst having no effect on the SPDR's of the so called 'oligarchy'. The amount of influence he he is able to remove from the region is too small a percentage to have any real alteration on the rankings.

At the end of the day, I know Milo and I know the game mechanics. He is spouting nonsense (as he is well aware) for shits and giggles. This coup is about his boredom and ego, nothing else.

[Letoilenoir]

Milo may have indeed hi-jacked the rhetoric of the truly disaffected in NS, but, as Todd has highlighted, the grievances caused by disproportionate levels of influence are a real problem

To use a RL analogy, would it be permissible for James Madison to hinder and block the attempts of Obama simply because he has been around longer?

[Todd McCloud]

How long would you have to be exiled from TEP for your influence to diminish back to that of a newcomer?

A very long time. I'm not sure if there's an accurate calculation for it or not, but I do know it would take a long time. My influence-o-meter is well into the 700's.

More importantly would you be prepared to do it?

No, why would I want to do that? As long as the game mechanic is there, there's little incentive for me (or anyone else with high influence) to simply leave a region and wait for my levels to go down, especially since it could probably take years for it to do so.

However, I would totally be prepared to see this game mechanic change. Something has to change, and I know this discussion has been had time and time again, but it's the honest truth, for the sake of the game, something needs to change.

[Todd McCloud]

As influence is in proportion to the total influence of the region I believe surely he is in effect increasing the influence of other nations by reducing his own and ejecting people?

This is correct, but as it's a large region, he's doing it ever so slowly. However, a lot of who he's banned are people who moved in prior to an update, meaning their influence cost is zero and (from what I can tell) has no effect on anyone else's influence so long as they've not been there for an update.

This leads to an interesting question. Could a feeder delegate (or delegate of any GCR) do what's called a "slow bleed" in which the delegate bans all newcomers that have come in prior to an update, and keep doing this for an extended period of time? I wonder how significant the ramifications would be after, say, a month of doing this. That and the delegate would not lose any influence to boot.