The Tragedy of Influence, Oligarchs and The South Pacific

[Sheepatropolis]

What has my position as ex minister of security got to do with anything? I've never even heard of you until recent events. If anyone's bias is apparant. It is yours. How can you fight for a region you've never even participated in?

Comrade Leistung has participated for the past few days, so he has in fact participated. He is new but obviously new nations don't deserve to fight for their regions because they aren't members of your pompous elitist pigdog oligarchy, right?

They aren't doing anything.

I believe you are actually referring to the oligarchy that the people are righteously overthrowing now. It stood for nothing and did nothing meaningful!

Sozialistische Weltrepublik
A whisper goes around the South Pacific:
Worker, don't you hear it?
these are the voices of war ministers:
Worker don't you hear them?
Coal and steel producers are whispering,
Chemical warfare production is whispering too,
The whispering comes from all continents:
Mobilization against the great scarlet movement!
Workers, peasants, Arm yourselves,
Arm yourselves with guns.
Annihilate the fascist bandit armies,
set all Hearts on Fire!
Plant your Red banners of Labor
On every ramp, on every factory.
Rising from the ruins
of the old society
The socialist World Republic!
Workers hear, they gather for battle,
And shout for nation and race.
This is a war of World leaders
Against the working class.
Because the assault against the scarlet movement
Is a strike in the heart of the Revolution.
And the War, which sweeps through countries now,
Is a war against you Proletarian-!
Workers, peasants, Arm yourselves,
Arm yourselves with guns.
Annihilate the fascist bandit armies,
set all Hearts on Fire!
Plant your Red banners of Labor
On every ramp, on every factory.
Rising from the ruins
of the old society
The socialist South Pacific!

Well, when you spend the majority of your time wittering on about the so called "oppression" that existed in TSP, yet didn't turn up until an Elected Delegate decided to go rogue and claim to be some sort of heroic liberator. that reeks more of opportunism than anything else.

The "people" of The South Pacific, that is, the natives, and vast majority of nations, before you and your lot came along were perfectly happy with how things were.

For all intents and purposes, the best defination to desribe your group is an invasion.

[Our Peoples Progress]

Your pathetic oligarchy does not own the honorable kinshipland. Private ownership is counterrevolutionary.

Hileville likes to think that the South Pacific is his own personal plaything. I offer a dissenting opinion.

[Uiliats]

Well, when you spend the majority of your time wittering on about the so called "oppression" that existed in TSP, yet didn't turn up until an Elected Delegate decided to go rogue and claim to be some sort of heroic liberator. that reeks more of opportunism than anything else.

The "people" of The South Pacific, that is, the natives, and vast majority of nations, before you and your lot came along were perfectly happy with how things were.

For all intents and purposes, the best defination to desribe your group is an invasion.

I think the colonialist terminology of "invasion" is highly problematic, especially when referring to a historically underpivileged and ontologically marginalized groups. As the white cis hetero gameplaytriarchy has held systematic power and prejudice over the peoples of the South Pacific, acts by the oppressed masses against the system of institutionalized oppression does not carry the widespread repressiveness of the established order but is instead lashing out against it, and thus isn't an invasion, but rather the gamplaytriarchy backfiring upon the oppressive gameplayer elite.

[Sheepatropolis]

Well, when you spend the majority of your time wittering on about the so called "oppression" that existed in TSP, yet didn't turn up until an Elected Delegate decided to go rogue and claim to be some sort of heroic liberator. that reeks more of opportunism than anything else.

The "people" of The South Pacific, that is, the natives, and vast majority of nations, before you and your lot came along were perfectly happy with how things were.

For all intents and purposes, the best defination to desribe your group is an invasion.

I think the colonialist terminology of "invasion" is highly problematic, especially when referring to a historically underpivileged and ontologically marginalized groups. As the white cis hetero gameplaytriarchy has held systematic power and prejudice over the peoples of the South Pacific, acts by the oppressed masses against the system of institutionalized oppression does not carry the widespread repressiveness of the established order but is instead lashing out against it, and thus isn't an invasion, but rather the gamplaytriarchy backfiring upon the oppressive gameplayer elite.

Yeah. Before all this, The South Pacific was content in just having a good time and doing no different than the vast majority of UCRs, and many GCRs. Now we have a psuedo-political RP debate about freedom and democracy that has no bearing at all on reality.

Where is Milograd going to liberate next? I'd love to hear him speak out about the oppression in another Feeder. That'd go down a treat. But he won't. Because this isn't about freedom over oppression, it's about justifying his own selfish actions.

[Jugovenia]

The revolution begins life as a tumbling stone, but before long expands its momentum into an avalanche of the people's will that sweeps aside the corrupt regimes of the old world one by one, with as much ease as a child swipes dominos.

[Frattastan II]

I think the colonialist terminology of "invasion" is highly problematic, especially when referring to a historically underpivileged and ontologically marginalized groups. As the white cis hetero gameplaytriarchy has held systematic power and prejudice over the peoples of the South Pacific, acts by the oppressed masses against the system of institutionalized oppression does not carry the widespread repressiveness of the established order but is instead lashing out against it, and thus isn't an invasion, but rather the gamplaytriarchy backfiring upon the oppressive gameplayer elite.

I find the fact you talk about oppressed masses and repressiveness of the estabilished order and then fly a Chetnik flag highly problematic in terms of overall political coherence. You guys need to work on the details.

[Sheepatropolis]

I think the colonialist terminology of "invasion" is highly problematic, especially when referring to a historically underpivileged and ontologically marginalized groups. As the white cis hetero gameplaytriarchy has held systematic power and prejudice over the peoples of the South Pacific, acts by the oppressed masses against the system of institutionalized oppression does not carry the widespread repressiveness of the established order but is instead lashing out against it, and thus isn't an invasion, but rather the gamplaytriarchy backfiring upon the oppressive gameplayer elite.

I find the fact you talk about oppressed masses and repressiveness of the estabilished order and then fly a Chetnik flag highly problematic in terms of overall political coherence. You guys need to work on the details.

It's all about the look of the thing, as you know. Oppression is all the rage right now.

[South Pacific Belschaft]

I think the colonialist terminology of "invasion" is highly problematic, especially when referring to a historically underpivileged and ontologically marginalized groups. As the white cis hetero gameplaytriarchy has held systematic power and prejudice over the peoples of the South Pacific, acts by the oppressed masses against the system of institutionalized oppression does not carry the widespread repressiveness of the established order but is instead lashing out against it, and thus isn't an invasion, but rather the gamplaytriarchy backfiring upon the oppressive gameplayer elite.

I find the fact you talk about oppressed masses and repressiveness of the estabilished order and then fly a Chetnik flag highly problematic in terms of overall political coherence. You guys need to work on the details.

You're making the foolish assumption that reality is something they give a shit about Fratt.

[Jugovenia]

I find the fact you talk about oppressed masses and repressiveness of the estabilished order and then fly a Chetnik flag highly problematic in terms of overall political coherence. You guys need to work on the details.

You're making the foolish assumption that reality is something they give a shit about Fratt.

Death to Belschaft

[Frattastan II]

My bad, Bel.

[Druzhina]

Oh milo, you're so silly....

[Hileville]

Your pathetic oligarchy does not own the honorable kinshipland. Private ownership is counterrevolutionary.

Hileville likes to think that the South Pacific is his own personal plaything. I offer a dissenting opinion.

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I do? Proof please.

[Kanab (Ancient)]

Death to Belschaft and Hileville, vanguards of boredom and the status quo.

[Cerian Quilor]

Except that Influence isn't evil and there's barely one iota of truth in Milo's 'manifesto'.

Influence is an unnecessary system of the oligarchy's oppression. They use it to enforce the laws of their grand cabal in an effort to perpetuate their privileged status as the region's elite, all the while neglecting the needs of the people.

The people don't have 'needs' in the way you mean, and influence is by no means a tool of oppression. It was created, and remains, a tool of protection.

[Communist Eraser]

It's unfortunate that not more players are familiar with Anarchist Socialist 'Peacezone' Theory. It would provided the revolution a sounder ideological basis. So similar in some ways, yet so far.

[B Wolf]

It's unfortunate that not more players are familiar with Anarchist Socialist 'Peacezone' Theory. It would provided the revolution a sounder ideological basis. So similar in some ways, yet so far.

Who let you out of retirement?

[Cerian Quilor]

It's unfortunate that not more players are familiar with Anarchist Socialist 'Peacezone' Theory. It would provided the revolution a sounder ideological basis. So similar in some ways, yet so far.

Milo's 'manifesto' and Peacezonism are unrelated.

[Johto and Kanto]

All this talk of Proles has made me think of this. Make of it what you will.

[Devrim]

I, as representative of the newly formed Devrim Government (we recently were successful in our Revolution), wholly support this revolution in the South Pacific, as my people can very much relate to it. I am in awe at the Chairman's work and his writings. Bravo for supporting the worker, the true society. Bravo, Chairman.

[Grand Divitae]

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All this talk of Proles has made me think of this. Make of it what you will.

There are no Inner Party and Outer Party. Only Dear Milograd and his glorious Comrades.

[Johto and Kanto]

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All this talk of Proles has made me think of this. Make of it what you will.

There are no Inner Party and Outer Party. Only Dear Milograd and his glorious Comrades.

Ah, I see. So Milograd takes the place of Big Brother, and the proles become the comrades!

[Druzhina]

What's interesting to point out is that while Milograd's revolution has certainly stirred up quite a bit of outside angst, He seems fairly secure in his position. I agree that it's disappointing that Milo has received a lot of foreign support in his bid to retain the WA delegacy, but that's to be expected. Most feeder revolutions/regime changes require the support of foreign regions to ensure their new agenda is instituted. What is important to point out is that the region is likely benefitting from not only the attention, but also the activity this revolution is garnering. I suspect that Milograd does indeed carry the support of the people (by people, I mean the rank and file and not just the disenfranchised), and with that will come sustained activity and involvement. Probably more so than would be normal under Hileville's government.

In short, I think people need to realize that socialism in Nationstates, insofar as enfranchising the region's membership (lovingly and colloquially referred to as a Proletariat or Proles) is a very real and successful concept. The principles of international socialism and marxism are something to be respected; not feared. Although it goes without saying that the opponents of progress, and socialism are among the most outspoken critics of TSP's recent revolution, we should all remember that democracy if indeed it is our most cherished possession, must be respected. If the people support Milograd, than anything less than our full support to the new regime is counterrevolutionary.

[Cerian Quilor]

The people are not supporting Milograd. There isn't really a 'The people' to begin with.

Socialism, by virtue of being an economic system, cannot function in NS Gameplay, unless you have a regional economy of some sort, which is a completely differant bag of cats. The attempt to equate Influence and Money is a bold one, but one that has little to no grounding in fact or gameplay mechanics.

[Hileville]

What's interesting to point out is that while Milograd's revolution has certainly stirred up quite a bit of outside angst, He seems fairly secure in his position. I agree that it's disappointing that Milo has received a lot of foreign support in his bid to retain the WA delegacy, but that's to be expected. Most feeder revolutions/regime changes require the support of foreign regions to ensure their new agenda is instituted. What is important to point out is that the region is likely benefitting from not only the attention, but also the activity this revolution is garnering. I suspect that Milograd does indeed carry the support of the people (by people, I mean the rank and file and not just the disenfranchised), and with that will come sustained activity and involvement. Probably more so than would be normal under Hileville's government.

In short, I think people need to realize that socialism in Nationstates, insofar as enfranchising the region's membership (lovingly and colloquially referred to as a Proletariat or Proles) is a very real and successful concept. The principles of international socialism and marxism are something to be respected; not feared. Although it goes without saying that the opponents of progress, and socialism are among the most outspoken critics of TSP's recent revolution, we should all remember that democracy if indeed it is our most cherished possession, must be respected. If the people support Milograd, than anything less than our full support to the new regime is counterrevolutionary.

I didn't know I owned the government of TSP. I am really finding out a lot of new things over this whole situation.

[Druzhina]

I didn't know I owned the government of TSP. I am really finding out a lot of new things over this whole situation.

Then you shouldn't really be upset about anything, and embrace the change in regime. After all, if it's not yours to begin with then it belongs to the people of the region. Which brings me to...

The people are not supporting Milograd. There isn't really a 'The people' to begin with.

Socialism, by virtue of being an economic system, cannot function in NS Gameplay, unless you have a regional economy of some sort, which is a completely differant bag of cats. The attempt to equate Influence and Money is a bold one, but one that has little to no grounding in fact or gameplay mechanics.

From what I have read, there is a general feeling of support for the new government in progress, to which most of the opposition is foreign in origin. As for your claim that there aren't "people" supporting anything or even existing, may I ask what factory produced the automata that controls your nation? Assuming you're not flesh and blood after all. Nations are bits and bytes, controlled by real people. They are very relevant, and they are currently making their voices heard right now.

Socialism isn't just an economic theory. Essentially, a socialist government is operated in a democratic fashion, by the proletariat. So you're trying to essentially separate the economics from the politics.