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by Lyanna Stark » Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:34 pm
"Only one man in a thousand is a leader of men. The other 999 follow women." -Groucho Marx
Unibot: "I've turned you into a defender chick and you've turned me into a respectable human being!"
[11:12pm]Mahaj: omg i have earth's endo
[11:12pm] Mahaj: this is the proudest moment of my defending career
by Glen-Rhodes » Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:32 pm
Cerian Quilor wrote:He tried to use the fact that he was not a member of the the UDL as a point in discussion with Cormac. My point ws that if you don't want people to treat you like a UDLer, don't put it in your sig.
by Cormac Stark » Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:31 pm
Glen-Rhodes wrote:Cerian Quilor wrote:He tried to use the fact that he was not a member of the the UDL as a point in discussion with Cormac. My point ws that if you don't want people to treat you like a UDLer, don't put it in your sig.
I like the UDL and I'm on IRC all the time. They like to call me a Merryman or something like that. But really, I'm associated with the UDL because I'm Unibot's friend. Either way, Cormac shouldn't dismiss people because they belong to any particular group.
Not one of the people listed in the Committee is concerned with regional sovereignty. Rather, a group of elites and old mainstays got together and devised a way to amass even more power in NationStates. SovCon is the product of narrow self-interest.
by BowlesAndGintis » Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:52 pm
by Klaus Devestatorie » Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:59 pm
BowlesAndGintis wrote:Heh. A confederation claiming to uphold the sovereignty of regions that requires the loss of sovereignty as a condition of membership. Much like "independence", "sovereignty" in this case is being used as "OMG srsly, are you against sovereignty? you must like killing babies etcetcetc". Couching it in words that mean everything and nothing is a useful tactic if people are gullible (or if the supporters are particularly devious). Sadly, people like Glen Rhodes have been marginalized for stating the truth.
UDL members are perhaps the fall guys here as there are many regions that are by law required not to cede sovereign control over military action. It is clear that this new group does so in that it prohibits certain things. NPO, Balder, Europeia and TSP are all treatied in much the same way that they have promised not to enter into such supra-regional alliances/organisations. It saddens me that the Pacific think it appropriate to violate their treaties.
And lastly, we must always be concerned where Biyah is involved. His participation is a warning sign. If it weren't for the astounding weakness of the Osiris delegate, Biyah and his fellow coupers would have been banned. Let us not forget that their objective was to create some movement and activity. They chose to do that through destruction and causing distress. This supraregional organisation will attempt the same, sulling its members' names for Biyah et al.'s amusement.
by Tim-Opolis » Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:00 pm
Cormac Stark wrote:What was that you were saying about dismissing people because they belong to any particular group? Perhaps we can get Lyanna Stark back in here to expound in what I'm sure will be a very non-hypocritical way on why it's all right to group us and lump us all into the same shitty bucket, as she puts it, but we should not point out that most of our most vocal opponents are UDL members.
<Koth - 06/30/2020> I mean as far as GPers go, Tim is one of the most iconic
by Glen-Rhodes » Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:06 pm
Cormac Stark wrote:What was that you were saying about dismissing people because they belong to any particular group? Perhaps we can get Lyanna Stark back in here to expound in what I'm sure will be a very non-hypocritical way on why it's all right to group us and lump us all into the same shitty bucket, as she puts it, but we should not point out that most of our most vocal opponents are UDL members.
by Gasponia » Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:49 pm
BowlesAndGintis wrote:Heh. A confederation claiming to uphold the sovereignty of regions that requires the loss of sovereignty as a condition of membership. Much like "independence", "sovereignty" in this case is being used as "OMG srsly, are you against sovereignty? you must like killing babies etcetcetc". Couching it in words that mean everything and nothing is a useful tactic if people are gullible (or if the supporters are particularly devious). Sadly, people like Glen Rhodes have been marginalized for stating the truth.
UDL members are perhaps the fall guys here as there are many regions that are by law required not to cede sovereign control over military action. It is clear that this new group does so in that it prohibits certain things. NPO, Balder, Europeia and TSP are all treatied in much the same way that they have promised not to enter into such supra-regional alliances/organisations. It saddens me that the Pacific think it appropriate to violate their treaties.
And lastly, we must always be concerned where Biyah is involved. His participation is a warning sign. If it weren't for the astounding weakness of the Osiris delegate, Biyah and his fellow coupers would have been banned. Let us not forget that their objective was to create some movement and activity. They chose to do that through destruction and causing distress. This supraregional organisation will attempt the same, sulling its members' names for Biyah et al.'s amusement.
by Glen-Rhodes » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:44 pm
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:Glen found an internet cafe!
by New Rogernomics » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:56 pm
Sheep!
by Mallorea and Riva » Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:40 am
Glen-Rhodes wrote:Cormac Stark wrote:Well, thank you for that. I don't know what I would do without UDL members to tell me what I'm thinking, what my motives are, and whether or not what I'm doing at any given time meets their rigorous standards of in-game morality. Clearly we are all terrible, power hungry people; I have seen the error of my ways and recant this sovereignty nonsense in favor of UDLimperialismcosmopolitanism.
I'm not really a UDL member. Please don't attempt to group me with some monolithic identity you can use as a way to dismiss people en mass.
by Lyanna Stark » Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:42 am
"Only one man in a thousand is a leader of men. The other 999 follow women." -Groucho Marx
Unibot: "I've turned you into a defender chick and you've turned me into a respectable human being!"
[11:12pm]Mahaj: omg i have earth's endo
[11:12pm] Mahaj: this is the proudest moment of my defending career
by New Rogernomics » Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:53 am
Nah I am mocking the persecuition complex Europeians have (i.e. the big bad raiders can get 'hurt' *cough*), and I never read that response or saw it. As far as I know I can't read minds. I like the new telegram system, for $100-$200 you could build a region bigger than Europeia, the old NS political fabric is dull.Lyanna Stark wrote:New Rogernomics wrote:Sheep!
"...Europeia has not been violated..." Um, yes it has. It's virginity was taken by Earth several years back.
First you steal my response back to Blaat (see here) and then you attack me of doing..what with The Pacific in Europeia? Or are you just taking a quote completely out of context to attack me and Europeia in an inappropriate way? Like..what exactly does your post even have to do with the discussion at hand because it clearly has nothing to do with the SovCon or anything to do with what you're quoting.
by Cerian Quilor » Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:06 am
New Rogernomics wrote:Nah I am mocking the persecuition complex Europeians have (i.e. the big bad raiders can get 'hurt' *cough*), and I never read that response or saw it. As far as I know I can't read minds. I like the new telegram system, for $100-$200 you could build a region bigger than Europeia, the old NS political fabric is dull.Lyanna Stark wrote:
First you steal my response back to Blaat (see here) and then you attack me of doing..what with The Pacific in Europeia? Or are you just taking a quote completely out of context to attack me and Europeia in an inappropriate way? Like..what exactly does your post even have to do with the discussion at hand because it clearly has nothing to do with the SovCon or anything to do with what you're quoting.
by New Rogernomics » Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:35 am
Well the later was actually persecuted and harassed, the earlier was hassled. Most people have more than one nation, and it depends on how the telegram is written, and 100,000-200,000 telegrams would get anywhere between 2000-5000 nations. Should make NS more diverse, rather than just having the same regional bullies.Cerian Quilor wrote:New Rogernomics wrote:Nah I am mocking the persecuition complex Europeians have (i.e. the big bad raiders can get 'hurt' *cough*), and I never read that response or saw it. As far as I know I can't read minds. I like the new telegram system, for $100-$200 you could build a region bigger than Europeia, the old NS political fabric is dull.
Because you could actually get 1000+ people to actually answer.
And I'm pretty sure the persecution complex belongs to the UDL and TA.
by Dread Lady Nathicana » Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:37 am
by Cerian Quilor » Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:55 am
New Rogernomics wrote:Well the later was actually persecuted and harassed, the earlier was hassled. Most people have more than one nation, and it depends on how the telegram is written, and 100,000-200,000 telegrams would get anywhere between 2000-5000 nations. Should make NS more diverse, rather than just having the same regional bullies.Cerian Quilor wrote:Because you could actually get 1000+ people to actually answer.
And I'm pretty sure the persecution complex belongs to the UDL and TA.
by McMasterdonia » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:35 am
by Cerian Quilor » Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:37 am
by McMasterdonia » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:10 am
by Tim-Opolis » Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:20 pm
<Koth - 06/30/2020> I mean as far as GPers go, Tim is one of the most iconic
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