The Rejected Times

[Onderkelkia]

Moreover, Unibot is claiming that he did not base his remark at all on the UIAF statement.So why would he wanted to have interviewed the UIAF about it?

Exactly.

Your claim that you did not base your remark on the UIAF statement refutes the repeated claim of Glen-Rhodes that TRT was confused about our language.

It does not at all disprove an allegation that TRT was dishonest in inventing the claim that initial assurances were given when they were not.

Of course I am, as is quite clearly sourced and recorded in the regional history of The Rejected Realms:
However, what that has to do with this discussion I have no idea.

Think about it long and hard.

If you are going to make a point, you should argue for it rather than drop ill-justified and cryptic insinuations which are impossible to tie down.

Referring to in-game delegacies is in fact the commonly understood and purest form of reference to 'World Assembly Delegate' in the game.

[Unibot III]

Your claim that you did not base your remark on the UIAF statement refutes the repeated claim of Glen-Rhodes that TRT was confused about our language.

I doubt Glen-Rhodes was asserting himself as an authoritative subject on the editorial decisions of a newspaper staff that he is not a member of. He was probably speculating.

rather than drop ill-justified and cryptic insinuations which are impossible to tie down.

Impossible? No. You're just not keeping up.

[Consular]

As lovely as it is that you're able to entertain yourself with vague metaphors unibot, if you have a point do just get on with it and explicitly state what you mean. Some of us prefer to deal in clear statements and facts rather than ambiguous insinuations.

[Lugus Triune]

I think TRT is just compensating for its own region.

Weird that you speak up when you feel your region is being attacked but will happily return it without a though. Pot meet kettle.

Fighting fire with fire can be a valid tactic.

[Onderkelkia]

Your claim that you did not base your remark on the UIAF statement refutes the repeated claim of Glen-Rhodes that TRT was confused about our language.

I doubt Glen-Rhodes was asserting himself as an authoritative subject on the editorial decisions of a newspaper staff that he is not a member of. He was probably speculating.

I am not commenting on the status of Glen-Rhodes; I am commenting on his quite unequivocal claims and the implications of your point for them.

rather than drop ill-justified and cryptic insinuations which are impossible to tie down.

Impossible? No. You're just not keeping up.

Rather than actually come up with your own argument, you've chosen a distraction and have invited me to come up with arguments around that for you.

That is the level to which you have descended in a bid to avoid confronting and correcting the flagrant inaccuracy in your paper.

It is also impossible to 'tie down' as I said. I can vaguely infer what you may mean but I hardly have something specific to contradict which you are tied to.

I have addressed the point about the reference to my being former WA Delegate being wholly accurate and sourced, and the most readily understood use of the term; in stark contrast on all counts to your reference to, and newly proposed meaning for, 'initial assurances' made at the start of your TRT article.

[Unibot III]

I have addressed the point about the reference to my being former WA Delegate being wholly accurate and sourced, and the most readily understood use of the term; in stark contrast on all counts to your reference to, and newly proposed meaning for, 'initial assurances' made at the start of your TRT article.

Good for you - you've almost caught up to me ... an hour later. You're correct that you're the former WA Delegate of The Rejected Realms and The Rejected Times is correct that there was initially assurances which suggested Canada would be spared from griefing. Some people may read too much into particular lines, but given your signature, you've shown such a love of pedantry and particularities as to render any extraneous clarifications absolutely unnecessary and redundant.

Our readers are smart people and they do not need us to insult their intelligence with clarifications regarding every string of the English language that we print for your own political benefit.

[Onderkelkia]

I have addressed the point about the reference to my being former WA Delegate being wholly accurate and sourced, and the most readily understood use of the term; in stark contrast on all counts to your reference to, and newly proposed meaning for, 'initial assurances' made at the start of your TRT article.

Good for you - you've almost caught up to me ... an hour later.

First, while your crude effort at being gratuitously rude is not unexpected, it's not my job to make your case for you.

Second, I quite clearly made this very same point in my post before my immediate last post, although you ignored it.

You're correct that you're the former WA Delegate of The Rejected Realms and The Rejected Times is correct that there was initially assurances which suggested Canada would be spared from griefing. Some people may read too much into particular lines, but given your signature, you've shown such a love of pedantry and particularities as to render any extraneous clarifications absolutely unnecessary and redundant.

Our readers are smart people and they do not need us to insult their intelligence with clarifications regarding every string of the English language that we print for your own political benefit.

This is so weak that I am unsurprised you were unwilling to actually say it until called out.

To repeat, referring to an in-game delegacy is the most commonly understood and purest form of reference to a 'World Assembly Delegate' in this game.

By contrast, if you say 'Despite initial assurances that this mission would not aim for the griefing of Canada, The Black Hawks's lead, Jakker, has placed a password on the region', then the juxtaposition and implication is such that the reader will conclude that you are suggesting a promise was broken.

Even Glen-Rhodes read it like that, as evidenced by his attempt to construct a defence for your actions around you being confused by the UIAF's language.

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It is not all natural to read that sentence and assume that the 'initial assurances' had nothing to do with the instigators. It is normal, when talking about the 'World Assembly Delegate', to refer to the in-game delegate of the region. The evidence for delegacy is also clearly sourced, whereas the attribution for your initial assurances has been entirely unheard of and has not been presented even now after the legitmacy of the assurances has been challenged.

Additionally, you did not present this explanation in response to my initial complaint: indeed, it took you 42 hours to devise this pitiful excuse.

[Consular]

Good for you - you've almost caught up to me ... an hour later. You're correct that you're the former WA Delegate of The Rejected Realms and The Rejected Times is correct that there was initially assurances which suggested Canada would be spared from griefing. Some people may read too much into particular lines, but given your signature, you've shown such a love of pedantry and particularities as to render any extraneous clarifications absolutely unnecessary and redundant.

Our readers are smart people and they do not need us to insult their intelligence with clarifications regarding every string of the English language that we print for your own political benefit.

Attempting to sound patronising does nothing to further your indefensible position.

There were initially assurances which suggested Canada would be spared. Look at all those weasel words getting all up in the business of that sentence. I don't think I could have made that any more vague myself, very well done. It essentially allows you to make the insinuations you wanted, while avoiding anything explicit and thus avoiding accountability for your words.

I'm not insulting the intelligence of your readers, merely acknowledging the reality that many depend solely on this paper without any deeper knowledge of gameplay. They are thus in a position where they are quite vulnerable to you manipulating meanings to convey a certain implied understanding for your own political benefit.

[Solorni]

To the contrary, TRT never wrote what you're accusing of us writing. I agree: UIAF never said that Canada would not be griefed.

I think TRT is just compensating for its own region.

Yes, what a sorry state of affairs TRR is in. The largest region in NS - plagued with so much inactivity we could only muster a competitive eight-way election this week - while managing to maintain the most active media organization in NS and the longest-running military in between our sudden, coerced passings of chronic inactivititis. Cut the shit, Rach.

It is one of the more inactive GCRs. If the solution for Balder is systematic changes, TRR needs to be bulldozed down and started anew because the entire region is built incorrectly.

[Unibot III]

TRR needs to be bulldozed down and started anew because the entire region is built incorrectly.

Is that a threat?

[Klaus Devestatorie]

TRR needs to be bulldozed down and started anew because the entire region is built incorrectly.

Is that a threat?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W7JRr63AII

Repent!

[Todd McCloud]

I mean, TRR has like 1,000's of puppets created by Parhe.

[Durkadurkiranistan II]

To the contrary, TRT never wrote what you're accusing of us writing. I agree: UIAF never said that Canada would not be griefed.



Yes, what a sorry state of affairs TRR is in. The largest region in NS - plagued with so much inactivity we could only muster a competitive eight-way election this week - while managing to maintain the most active media organization in NS and the longest-running military in between our sudden, coerced passings of chronic inactivititis. Cut the shit, Rach.

It is one of the more inactive GCRs. If the solution for Balder is systematic changes, TRR needs to be bulldozed down and started anew because the entire region is built incorrectly.

Agreed. HAIL QUEEN RACH!

[Karpathos]

It is one of the more inactive GCRs. If the solution for Balder is systematic changes, TRR needs to be bulldozed down and started anew because the entire region is built incorrectly.

Agreed. HAIL QUEEN RACH!

Come on JAL, the is only one NS Queen, and that's Nevardar. All others are a cheap emoticon-toting imitation Louis Vuitton wristlet.

[Danfer]

Kinzvlle here, the guy from the Change in Osiris bit. As a member of Osiris army I got a look at Cananda`s rmb while I was satoined. Withing the rmb there were people talking about how there had been a anti greifing promise. I heard it there long before Uni even mentioned the story in the TRT work space. That is more then likely where they got it. The line came from statements natives where putting out, and was not "invented" by the Rejected Times.

Just though I`d defend the intergerty a smudge since while they can be bias* they did not pull the line out of a hat like acused. As for the rest of this debate, well I really don`t care toodles.

Though defender region defend bias, it`s simple math.

[Onderkelkia]

Kinzvlle here, the guy from the Change in Osiris bit. As a member of Osiris army I got a look at Cananda`s rmb while I was satoined. Withing the rmb there were people talking about how there had been a anti greifing promise. I heard it there long before Uni even mentioned the story in the TRT work space. That is more then likely where they got it. The line came from statements natives where putting out, and was not "invented" by the Rejected Times.

Just though I`d defend the intergerty a smudge since while they can be bias* they did not pull the line out of a hat like acused. As for the rest of this debate, well I really don`t care toodles.

Though defender region defend bias, it`s simple math.

People talking about the existence of assurances does not mean they have personally made such assurances.

To assure can be synonymous with making a promise or giving a guarantee. Clearly they were in no position to do that.

Just because a group of people talked about the existence of a promise does not license attributing the making of such a promise to those people.

If they were speculating in mistaken belief about the invaders' intentions, it is misleading to represent that as them making personal assurances of it. Especially when you do not clarify that you are referring to them, rather than the natural source of such assurances (the insitgators), and then say it's been broken. What's more, the way it was contrasted with the passwording in the open article carries the specific implication that a promise made was broken.

It is deeply misleading and would have been corrected when the concern was raised if this paper cared about accuracy.

[Consular]

Kinzvlle here, the guy from the Change in Osiris bit. As a member of Osiris army I got a look at Cananda`s rmb while I was satoined. Withing the rmb there were people talking about how there had been a anti greifing promise. I heard it there long before Uni even mentioned the story in the TRT work space. That is more then likely where they got it. The line came from statements natives where putting out, and was not "invented" by the Rejected Times.

Just though I`d defend the intergerty a smudge since while they can be bias* they did not pull the line out of a hat like acused. As for the rest of this debate, well I really don`t care toodles.

Though defender region defend bias, it`s simple math.

If you had read the above posts regarding this issue, you would find that the principal issue is not the source of their information or whether it was fully fabricated or not. Rather, the issue is that they have presented it in such a misleading way that it could appear to a reader that we were the source, and that therefore we have broken some promise, which we have not done. Had TRT wished to convey that there was an inaccurate understanding of what we had promised, a mere rumour, they could have done so, but instead they presented it as official. Besides that, whether it was fabricated isn't relevant to the fact that either way it is completely inaccurate, and TRT has refused to reflect this in their article. Either they are deliberately using a mistruth to create a false impression, or they are simply poor journalists.

[Solorni]

TRR needs to be bulldozed down and started anew because the entire region is built incorrectly.

Is that a threat?

Nope. It's just how you could fix an inactive region with a rotten base and terrible system.

But it's like I said, activity isn't for everyone.

[Tano]

TRR needs to be bulldozed down and started anew because the entire region is built incorrectly.

Is that a threat?

Even if it is, what're you going to do, eject them?

[Cormac A Stark]

Kinzvlle here, the guy from the Change in Osiris bit. As a member of Osiris army I got a look at Cananda`s rmb while I was satoined. Withing the rmb there were people talking about how there had been a anti greifing promise. I heard it there long before Uni even mentioned the story in the TRT work space. That is more then likely where they got it. The line came from statements natives where putting out, and was not "invented" by the Rejected Times.

Just though I`d defend the intergerty a smudge since while they can be bias* they did not pull the line out of a hat like acused. As for the rest of this debate, well I really don`t care toodles.

Though defender region defend bias, it`s simple math.

I hope it goes without saying that individual members of the Sekhmet Legion of Osiris don't speak for the Osiris Fraternal Order, but in case it doesn't: They don't. They are entitled to their opinion(s) but of course those aren't representative of the region.

I would also point out that both the native belief that an anti-griefing promise had been made and the claim made by The Rejected Times are likely derived from the same source, the UIAF's promise that the region would not be refounded. Promising that the region would not be refounded is not at all the same thing as promising that the region would not be "griefed," which is to say that natives would not be ejected and/or banned. That promise was never made by anyone, but the former promise that the region would not be refounded has obviously been kept. Indeed, the ejections were just that, ejections, and with the password now removed the residents who were ejected are now free to return to the region, so this is really much ado about nothing.

As a newspaper and not just an ordinary resident of Canada, we can and should have an expectation that The Rejected Times will do better fact checking than just printing whatever they've heard. No promise to avoid "griefing" was ever made and had the newspaper bothered to check their facts or perhaps verify what they believed to be facts with anyone at all involved in the occupation, the record would have been set straight and this very serious error impugning the character not only of UIAF but everyone involved in the occupation, including Osiris and Balder, could have been avoided. Unfortunately, the error was not avoided, and the reputation of The Rejected Times as a credible source of news has been further damaged.

My name certainly won't appear in a by-line or interview for this newspaper in the future, which is unfortunate. The line between news and propaganda was already quite thin but The Rejected Times has now crossed it in printing falsehood as fact to impugn the character of multiple regions.

[Alvalero]

Is that a threat?

Even if it is, what're you going to do, eject them?

Tano wins the internet for today!

Back to the current topic title while it is Grubs region and he can do as he pleases his reasoning for banjecting BT is weak. If BT wants to plan ahead of time that's his business and so long as it doesn't effect his performance while in office it doesn't make an iota of difference what he does in his own time. As for him potentially bringing some islanders with him well I see no reason that they can't be active in both the new region and the XKI.

[Tano]

Even if it is, what're you going to do, eject them?

Tano wins the internet for today!

Back to the current topic title while it is Grubs region and he can do as he pleases his reasoning for banjecting BT is weak. If BT wants to plan ahead of time that's his business and so long as it doesn't effect his performance while in office it doesn't make an iota of difference what he does in his own time. As for him potentially bringing some islanders with him well I see no reason that they can't be active in both the new region and the XKI.

Because XKI is love XKI is life.

[Bears Armed]

The NS World Cup is coming up soon - what are Bears Armed's chances? And how do you plan to roleplay this World Cup?

I’d like to say “an easy win”, but to be honest — considering their recent form, and consequent rating — I’d be overjoyed just to get them through the qualifiers successfully and into the World Cup proper again for the first time in a while.

Managed that part of it nicely, ending the qualifiers with an 11-2-1 record that not only placed the Bears at the top of their group but placed them 8th in the overall table of qualifying results; This meant that they then went straight into the World Cup proper, without needing to go through the play-offs stage that this Cup's hosts were using to fill just over half of the places.


Unfortunately however, they've now lost the first two of their three 'Group stage' WC matches which leaves them with no hope of progressing to the next round.

[Darkesia]

I haven't a clue what everyone is arguing about. I think it's just a contest to see who can post the largest wall of text.

My question: how the heck does one RP a sport? I'm serious.

[Tano]

I haven't a clue what everyone is arguing about. I think it's just a contest to see who can post the largest wall of text.

My question: how the heck does one RP a sport? I'm serious.

Scorinaters. Basically they decide the outcome, and then RP the game based on the stats.

Although I'm sure Bears Armed could give a thousand times better explanation than me I used to read some of them back when I first founded my nation. Quite fun to follow.