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The Zeroth Imperium
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*Request For Legal Representation - The South Pacific*

Postby The Zeroth Imperium » Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:30 pm

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I am the Zeroth Imperium and I am requesting legal representation in the South Pacific.

Case: Delegate elections are on-going in the South Pacific. As per the laws of the South Pacific, the final two choices are chosen within the game by determining who has the most endorsements by the end of the predefined period.

Those two finalists are Milograd and The Third Imperium (hereafter TTI).

About 7 days ago, as evidenced by the telegrams above...I approached TTI because I saw he was losing this race badly. He was behind Milograd by about 40 endorsements, and Milograd had started with a lead on him. Eager to bring some equality to the contest, I offered TTI assistance, first by providing him a list of all the WAs in the region that were not endorsing him. Second, I offered to telegram on his behalf.

As soon as I did this, he proceeded to give me this nation.

I took the nation and have been campaigning on his behalf as had been agreed.

About 56 hours ago, I found myself banned from the South Pacific by Hileville.

I immediately inquired into why he had done this and accused him of illegally affecting the elections by banning me.

As shown above, he said he had not...as TTI had stabbed me in the back and requested I was to be banned.

I then asked Hileville (paraphrase)...

Is it within the laws of your region to ban a nation at the mere request of a citizen?


To which he rather bluntly began to instruct me that to achieve any justice, I would half to sue him in his own courts.

After being stabbed in the back by a senior official in the South Pacific and ejected and banned by the delegate, for doing nothing wrong...I am seeking legal representation to levy charges against Hileville, explore charges against TTI, and to unban me from the South Pacific.

To become my representative, nations will have to go to the Ministry of Justice on my behalf, and scrutinize the laws of TSP to see the best case to be made against Hileville and possibly the Third Imperium.

If you are interested, you may reply below or telegram me. The representative I select will enter in the "Reward" I have offered. By custom nations I mean I will build those nations to your specifications. If you want 20 nations with flags that are paintings from Salvador Dali and quotes from George Washington or John Adams, I will do that and place them in the regions you want with the settings you want (animal/currency). Obviously with the password you want as well.

If you succeed in unbanning me, bringing punitive charges against Hileville, and explore charges against TTI, you will get the whole reward. Random nations means I will just make random nations with the standard national flags.

Please help me fight this injustice. I approached TTI to help, he then betrayed me and forced me to face a bullying delegate. Corruption in this TSP delegate process is evident, as TTI was not trying hard at all and gained after my campaign...only to oddly order me banned and the delegate complies? How can one nation simply order the removal of another?

I hope their are intelligent nations out there who can stand up for justice and scrutinize the laws of TSP to bring these criminals to heel.

Thank you and if you choose to represent me, thank you for your kindness. :hug:
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Postby Drugged Monkeys » Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:51 pm

This is from the TSP forum for your reading, as Hileville attempted to explain to you:
2.Allegations must be lodged within the Ministry of Justice forum in the form of a post topic. These allegations must include the accused nation(s) and offense(s) they are accused of committing in addition to the primary evidence to support the allegations.
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Postby Antariel » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:31 am

Hey, probably Frak again. Your ad would be more succesful if you spelled it 'possibly'.

But yeah, TSP has a due process, conducted via the off-site. Please feel free to join and contest the ruling. I'll even defend you, if you like.
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Postby Cromarty » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:31 am

You shouldn't have interfered in their election.
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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:38 am

Antariel wrote:Hey, probably Frak again.

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Postby Cromarty » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:50 am

Klaus Devestatorie wrote:
Antariel wrote:Hey, probably Frak again.

Founded: Mar 27, 2004

The Zeroth Imperium wrote:Eager to bring some equality to the contest, I offered TTI assistance, first by providing him a list of all the WAs in the region that were not endorsing him. Second, I offered to telegram on his behalf.

As soon as I did this, he proceeded to give me this nation.
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Postby Unibot III » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:23 am

Is anyone else suspicious with the similarities in the names of the plaintiff and the potential defendant?
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Postby Drugged Monkeys » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:38 am

The point Hil is trying make is that if he would like to lodge a complaint with the Minister of Justice all he has to do is create a forum account and do so.
Isn't it suspicious that he would rather make this thread instead of going through the much easier process of signing up on the TSP forums to lodge his complaint?
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Postby Rebel-topia » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:32 am

I think its funny that we'd rather (attempt to) deface TSP on NS forums, rather then actually go through the process.

Maybe an IP ban keeps them from creating a forum account?

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:36 am

I just wonder why internal affairs of TSP need to be on the NS forums.
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Postby Sardakhar » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:44 am

Unibot III wrote:Is anyone else suspicious with the similarities in the names of the plaintiff and the potential defendant?


At least not me, but I'm not going to use "Imperium" as a name for my nation.

But yeah, as The Blaatschapen said before, why should the internal affairs of TSP be here?

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Postby Rebel-topia » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:51 am

As the most stable feeder, I think people take that as a challenge...

That or its cause we're home to the drama llama and all its family!

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Postby Drop Your Pants » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:13 am

How can you be the most stable with the most drama? They kinda contradict :P
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Postby Rebel-topia » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:18 am

Drama =/= coups

Though, Coups = drama ...
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Postby South Pacific Belschaft » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:29 am

Drop Your Pants wrote:How can you be the most stable with the most drama? They kinda contradict :P

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Postby Cerian Quilor » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:23 am

How was helping a guy canvess for votes, etc, interfereing *confused*
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Postby South Pacific Belschaft » Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:29 am

Cerian Quilor wrote:How was helping a guy canvess for votes, etc, interfereing *confused*

The issue is complicated. TSP's Ministry of Security has been conducting an investigation, and we will release our information when it is finished.

In the meantime, uninformed commentary is neither helpful or solicited.
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Postby Southern Bellz » Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:52 am

Haxtree, don't you have anything better to do?

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Postby Lands of Headington » Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:10 am

Seriously? Instead of settle this on the off-site forum, since this is clearly internal, you have to make a Frak Live Show in NS?

Disturbing nonsense, sir.

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Postby Tim-Opolis » Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:41 am

Unibot III wrote:Is anyone else suspicious with the similarities in the names of the plaintiff and the potential defendant?

I offered TTI assistance, first by providing him a list of all the WAs in the region that were not endorsing him. Second, I offered to telegram on his behalf.
As soon as I did this, he proceeded to give me this nation.



On the topic of this whole mess, why are TSP internal affairs being discussed on the Gameplay forum. If it's Frak, then that explains it. But.. you know... perhaps reading the legal code of TSP, etc. would have been a good idea before posting this thread?

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Postby The Zeroth Imperium » Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:52 pm

Drugged Monkeys wrote:This is from the TSP forum for your reading, as Hileville attempted to explain to you:
2.Allegations must be lodged within the Ministry of Justice forum in the form of a post topic. These allegations must include the accused nation(s) and offense(s) they are accused of committing in addition to the primary evidence to support the allegations.


I understand what Hileville was saying. You don't seem to understand what I am saying.

I want legal representation because I don't trust the delegate after being ejected by him for what I believe to be illegitimate reasons. I also have a lack of trust because TTI has betrayed me after I helped him.

So I will not be going in the courts of TSP alone, to bring accusations against their sitting delegate without help. To do so alone would be foolish.

Antariel wrote:Hey, probably Frak again. Your ad would be more succesful if you spelled it 'possibly'.

But yeah, TSP has a due process, conducted via the off-site. Please feel free to join and contest the ruling. I'll even defend you, if you like.


Thank you for pointing out the spelling, it has been corrected. Are you saying you are offering to represent me? I'm not looking for a defense, I'm looking to be unbanned and to see punitive action on Hileville and possibly TTI.

Cromarty wrote:You shouldn't have interfered in their election.


Maybe you should read it again...or you could ask yourself this question:

Cerian Quilor wrote:How was helping a guy canvess for votes, etc, interfereing *confused*


Exactly my question. TTI gave me his nation to campaign with, and then stabbed me in the back. I was not "interfering".

Unibot III wrote:Is anyone else suspicious with the similarities in the names of the plaintiff and the potential defendant?


This is because this nation formerly belonged to TTI, he gave it with me to campaign with on his behalf before betraying me.

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Cerian Quilor wrote:How was helping a guy canvess for votes, etc, interfereing *confused*

The issue is complicated. TSP's Ministry of Security has been conducting an investigation, and we will release our information when it is finished.

In the meantime, uninformed commentary is neither helpful or solicited.


The issue is not "complicated" and if you think so, then I have grave doubts about your investigative capacity. I have not been contacted by any TSP inquisitors. Is it your policy to only seek opinions from within your government when investigating misdeeds?

I have shown telegrams above. The story seems clear enough to me. TTI has ceased to communicate with me since the banning, and I believe is biding his time to make up a a false story.

Lastly, all you people saying I am Frak or a nuisance or whatever are missing the point that I was given this nation by TTI. So if I am a criminal, then TTI was working in concert with me. If you believe I am Frak, someone should accuse TTI of acting in concert with a known criminal.

Also, I will repeat that I think the hostility from TSP authorities reflects a fishy election process. I think the "investigation" is a load of nothing and is a way to simply try and get the official version of the story so this can be swept under the rug.

Like I said TTI was very behind before I campaigned on his behalf. He was more like 50 endorsements behind, and I saw his campaign message and it was absolutely awful, like he wasn't even trying to win. Until I gave him the list of WAs (even though he claimed to already have them) he still had dozens of nations left to endorse.

And suddenly as the race becomes competitive I am banned from the region and berated by TSP authorities. Additionally, I have had people try to log into this nation and steal it from me.

I am not Frak or a criminal, I am a nation who was unfairly banned and am seeking representation against a bullying government. My reward still stands for any capable nations willing to represent me in court.

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Postby Southern Bellz » Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:14 pm

Stop being a terrible puppet nation.

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Postby Unibot III » Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:17 pm

Drugged Monkeys wrote:The point Hil is trying make is that if he would like to lodge a complaint with the Minister of Justice all he has to do is create a forum account and do so.
Isn't it suspicious that he would rather make this thread instead of going through the much easier process of signing up on the TSP forums to lodge his complaint?


Oh I agree, this dude is just trying to stir up trouble.
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Postby The Zeroth Imperium » Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:24 pm

Southern Bellz wrote:Stop being a terrible puppet nation.


Stop being ignorant.

If you want to ignore the substance of my posts that is fine, but then don't hurl uninformed insults.

I was stabbed in the back by a candidate for delegacy of your own region, as enabled by the sitting delegate. Clearly you're approach to these facts it to try and preserve the integrity of the delegate election by being a bully on the forums - nice job.

This emphasizes why I will not go to TSP alone, because without third party representation TSPers like Southern Bellz will try to berate me into giving up my case.

I think its odd for Southern Bellz to accuse anyone of being terrible in regards to anything surrounding the TSP delegacy - a post that she lost in a coup likely due to her proclivity to drink her own kool-aid and ignore the facts around her.

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Postby Southern Bellz » Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:30 pm

Lol.

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