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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:27 am

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I take it you didn't see what was achieved earlier this week, then, when the owner of a large amount of GGR colonies repented and handed them all over to The Left Interregional. Checking facts before you make your points is advisable.

It might not make a massive difference, but it's intensely satisfying. :P



They handed you over a bunch of their NS colonies that they just hold for no reason.

Big whoop!

Most of those regions were just collecting dust and honestly it's pointless to boast about it as a huge victory.


Your point was "This is a game and thinking that raiding regions will honestly change someones opinion is hilarious."

Someone's opinion was changed, your argument is invalid.
Don't be deceived when our Revolution has finally been stamped out and they tell you things are better now even if there's no poverty to see, because the poverty's been hidden...even if you ever got more wages and could afford to buy more of these new and useless goods which these new industries foist on you, and even if it seems to you that "you never had so much" - that is only the slogan of those who have much more than you.

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Postby Jakker » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:30 am

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Ah, "actual defending". Then, I guess I should stop calling FRA and UDL actual defenders then. Defending might be tough, but TITO still does a fine job of it. Maybe you guys should learn a little from them?


Actual Defender is not as easy as it seems, we still manage to pull it off from time to time and we try to do it. If you think it's so easy why don't you try doing it? The FRA and UDL does the best job they can and if raiding wasn't so easy, we could do it better.

I have a question for you, you seem to dislike defender organizations. What fun would the raider/defender game be without any opponents?



I dislike defender organizations that act in a hypocritical manner. And I have seen this happen fairly often. I enjoy opponents. This has nothing to do with defenders defending because I understand that. I don't understand when they act like they are the ones in NS who always knows what's "best" for natives, so they can do whatever they want like what is being seen in Zoo.

Also I would refrain from chat not about UDL since this is their thread. Uni won't be happy :P
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:32 am

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Actual Defender is not as easy as it seems, we still manage to pull it off from time to time and we try to do it. If you think it's so easy why don't you try doing it? The FRA and UDL does the best job they can and if raiding wasn't so easy, we could do it better.

I have a question for you, you seem to dislike defender organizations. What fun would the raider/defender game be without any opponents?



I dislike defender organizations that act in a hypocritical manner. And I have seen this happen fairly often. I enjoy opponents. This has nothing to do with defenders defending because I understand that. I don't understand when they act like they are the ones in NS who always knows what's "best" for natives, so they can do whatever they want like what is being seen in Zoo.

Also I would refrain from chat not about UDL since this is their thread. Uni won't be happy :P


And we wouldn't want that, would we? :P
Don't be deceived when our Revolution has finally been stamped out and they tell you things are better now even if there's no poverty to see, because the poverty's been hidden...even if you ever got more wages and could afford to buy more of these new and useless goods which these new industries foist on you, and even if it seems to you that "you never had so much" - that is only the slogan of those who have much more than you.

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Postby Hungry » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:32 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
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They handed you over a bunch of their NS colonies that they just hold for no reason.

Big whoop!

Most of those regions were just collecting dust and honestly it's pointless to boast about it as a huge victory.


Your point was "This is a game and thinking that raiding regions will honestly change someones opinion is hilarious."

Someone's opinion was changed, your argument is invalid.


if someone changed their real opinion on an issue like that due to their NS region being raided, I don't think they were really holding that opinion dearly.

You forget that you're raiding Nazi Regions in Summer when all the teenagers who want to be grimderp are out of school.
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Postby Hungry » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:33 am

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Actual Defender is not as easy as it seems, we still manage to pull it off from time to time and we try to do it. If you think it's so easy why don't you try doing it? The FRA and UDL does the best job they can and if raiding wasn't so easy, we could do it better.

I have a question for you, you seem to dislike defender organizations. What fun would the raider/defender game be without any opponents?



I dislike defender organizations that act in a hypocritical manner. And I have seen this happen fairly often. I enjoy opponents. This has nothing to do with defenders defending because I understand that. I don't understand when they act like they are the ones in NS who always knows what's "best" for natives, so they can do whatever they want like what is being seen in Zoo.

Also I would refrain from chat not about UDL since this is their thread. Uni won't be happy :P


But it's fine when raiders do it? Right?

I'm not a moral defender, I just do it for fun, when the UDL or FRA does something raiderish, I don't care and I honestly think people who care so much about it have to much free time...
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:34 am

Hungry wrote:
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I dislike defender organizations that act in a hypocritical manner. And I have seen this happen fairly often. I enjoy opponents. This has nothing to do with defenders defending because I understand that. I don't understand when they act like they are the ones in NS who always knows what's "best" for natives, so they can do whatever they want like what is being seen in Zoo.

Also I would refrain from chat not about UDL since this is their thread. Uni won't be happy :P


But it's fine when raiders do it? Right?

I'm not a moral defender, I just do it for fun, when the UDL or FRA does something raiderish, I don't care and I honestly think people who care so much about it have to much free time...


Uni's a moral defender, don't criticise your Dear Leader!
Don't be deceived when our Revolution has finally been stamped out and they tell you things are better now even if there's no poverty to see, because the poverty's been hidden...even if you ever got more wages and could afford to buy more of these new and useless goods which these new industries foist on you, and even if it seems to you that "you never had so much" - that is only the slogan of those who have much more than you.

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Postby Hungry » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:35 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
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But it's fine when raiders do it? Right?

I'm not a moral defender, I just do it for fun, when the UDL or FRA does something raiderish, I don't care and I honestly think people who care so much about it have to much free time...


Uni's a moral defender, don't criticise your Dear Leader!


We don't hold him as the Kim-Jong Il of NS. He's more of the Winston Churchill.

The annoying fat guy we listen to, sometimes :P
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Postby Drop Your Pants » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:02 am

You know, we have this amazing Chat Thread for this types of chats ;) But i don't think anyone wants to see Uni being called "the annoying fat guy".
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:08 am

Drop Your Pants wrote:You know, we have this amazing Chat Thread for this types of chats ;) But i don't think anyone wants to see Uni being called "the annoying fat guy".


Hey, it was a UDLerist who called him that.
Don't be deceived when our Revolution has finally been stamped out and they tell you things are better now even if there's no poverty to see, because the poverty's been hidden...even if you ever got more wages and could afford to buy more of these new and useless goods which these new industries foist on you, and even if it seems to you that "you never had so much" - that is only the slogan of those who have much more than you.

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Postby Unibot II » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:36 am

The "Zoo" Post-Liberation Mission is hardly "raiderish" -- the region was locked-down by natives, the password leaked to raiders, defenders liberated the region and have altered the password so that the region can remain locked-down as per native wishes. Our work is done there and we hope the natives are satisfied.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:42 am

Unibot II wrote:The "Zoo" Post-Liberation Mission is hardly "raiderish" -- the region was locked-down by natives, the password leaked to raiders, defenders liberated the region and have altered the password so that the region can remain locked-down as per native wishes. Our work is done there and we hope the natives are satisfied.


They aren't, and the creation of Zeta United makes that abundantly clear.
Don't be deceived when our Revolution has finally been stamped out and they tell you things are better now even if there's no poverty to see, because the poverty's been hidden...even if you ever got more wages and could afford to buy more of these new and useless goods which these new industries foist on you, and even if it seems to you that "you never had so much" - that is only the slogan of those who have much more than you.

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Postby Unibot II » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:59 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Unibot II wrote:The "Zoo" Post-Liberation Mission is hardly "raiderish" -- the region was locked-down by natives, the password leaked to raiders, defenders liberated the region and have altered the password so that the region can remain locked-down as per native wishes. Our work is done there and we hope the natives are satisfied.


They aren't, and the creation of Zeta United makes that abundantly clear.


From what I've read, the motivation for creating Zeta United is a lot less aggressive than you've made out it to be -- the native was tired of the region being in lock-down since 1000 Cats (the founder) was declared delete-on-site (DOS). The creation of a "new" Zoo, offers him and other interested natives a way to continue the region is a freer environment with more security from raiders -- perfectly understandable sentiments. Likewise, other natives in Zoo has expressed their desire to stay in the original Zoo out of respect for 1000 Cats.

Any region whose founder has been removed from the game will go through a drastic transition as regional dynamics change: new leaders emerge and groups splinter off from the mother region. The United Defenders League is not going to impose its will against natives and force the natives to remove the old lock-down to prevent the splintering of the region and its native community -- frankly those are decisions that have to be made by natives and we wish them the best of luck. I've called for the removal of troops since the Post-Liberation mission is over and the native-imposed lock-down has been restored.
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Postby Sedgistan » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:06 am

I've split off a several pages of posts from this thread, and two people have collected warnings for their conduct there. As I said in the Moderation forum, bringing in someone's personal life to a thread is not appropriate, especially when used to abuse them. Any repeat of that kind of behaviour will lead to forum bans for the offenders.

Thread unlocked - stay on topic please.

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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:50 am

It should be noted that this is their second shot at attempting to make a new region since Unknown first invaded.

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Postby Cormac Stark » Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:29 pm

I'm curious: Was that a UDL mission today to invade Christmas for the purpose of suppressing the first posts the RMB had seen for approximately 5 months, and if so did you ask any natives if they wanted the posts suppressed first?

EDIT: Also, I'll acknowledge before you bring it up that we forgot to remove the Asgard flag as the regional flag before we left. But you could easily have done that without suppressing our RMB posts or, better yet, you could have let the natives decide whether they wanted to take the initiative to change the flag. Native self-determination and all that.
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Postby Unibot II » Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:51 pm

Cormac Stark wrote:EDIT: Also, I'll acknowledge before you bring it up that we forgot to remove the Asgard flag as the regional flag before we left. But you could easily have done that without suppressing our RMB posts or, better yet, you could have let the natives decide whether they wanted to take the initiative to change the flag. Native self-determination and all that.


I have yet to see a native express genuine dislike at any restoration mission to remove raider flags or suppress raider posts and further help restore native ownership over a region -- in fact, I've only ever been messaged with support for the initiative by natives. Bearing this in mind, our restoration policy, which is the same as all the other major defender organizations, will not be changing.
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Postby Cormac Stark » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:00 pm

Unibot II wrote:I have yet to see a native express genuine dislike at any restoration mission to remove raider flags or suppress raider posts and further help restore native ownership over a region -- in fact, I've only ever been messaged with support for the initiative by natives. Bearing this in mind, our restoration policy, which is the same as all the other major defender organizations, will not be changing.

I see. Well, in our now-suppressed withdrawal message, we made it very clear that we were withdrawing to give the natives a chance to determine the future of their region. Don't be surprised if our posts keep getting unsuppressed until they're suppressed by a native of Christmas.

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Postby Unibot II » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:48 pm

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A Letter from the Capitalis de Societate of The United Defenders League,

A relatively quiet week admittedly since much of our staff has been away on vacations and holidays during the summer lull – I myself type this letter to you from erm *looks at the road signs* Boxboro, Massachusetts.

In Boston, I had a particularly fun get-together with Earth22 (also known as Lyanna Stark), Pharaoh of Osiris; Eluvatar, Chief of Intelligence of the United Defenders League and Delegate of the North Pacific; Evil Wolf (also known as “Blue Wolf”), Former Khan of the Lone Wolves United and infamous trouble-maker; Gulliver, speaker of the North Pacific; and R3naissanc3r, Royal Penguin and renowned member of The New Inquisition and Land of Kings and Emperors among many other regions. Some highlights included Eluvatar practicing his reconnaissance skills and sneaking up on Earth and I on the train-platform (GODDAMIT ELU!), contemplating pushing Evil Wolf off a cliff to improve UDL-TITO relations (deep down inside, you know I love you, EW :P) and handing out UDL T-Shirts to Earth and Eluvatar (but *not* R3naissanc3r because we came to the conclusion that would count as treason with The New Inquisition unless he burnt the shirt as an effigy). A big shout out to Eluvatar for planning the day – it was incredibly fun and I think we all enjoyed it a lot, I know I did.

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Four out of five of us from the get-together.
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A UDL T-Shirt


What’s a UDL T-Shirt, you ask? I had shirts made in the UDL colours and customized with our insignia and have steadily been delivering them to some of our senior members. I know Senior Merryman Quadrimmina was the first to receive his shirt in the mail and called himself a “happy customer”. Nonetheless, I didn’t think anyone outside of the organization would want a shirt for the UDL, but if you do, telegram Unibot II about it and we’ll talk about options.

Anyways, in administrative news: congratulations to Mewsland on his appointment as Vice Chief of Orientation – I had heard quite a bit about his training abilities and patience and we felt it was time to make it official. As Vice Chief of Orientation, Mewsland will be busy! The Chieftaincy of Orientation announced on July 27 that there is a new “Certificate of Merit” to recognize defenders who have received basic training in the field of defending. All senior merrymen and officers have had their certificate, rubber-stamped; but from now on, one’s first few weeks in the Greenwood Band will involve demonstrating to the Chieftaincy of Orientation that one knows the basics!

Furthermore, the Chieftaincy of Orientation will be very busy with all the new prospective recruits that will be flooding in with the new recruitment program. It’s been announced that for every four recruits that a member gets to join, said member gets a star – if a member gets five stars, they will be recognized with the Order of the Golden Arrow as a Knight to be addressed by “Sir” or “Dame”. I am gunning to be the first member of the Order, I recruited enough for my first star a few nights ago but Belschaft is slowly catching up to me from the rear!

On that note, The United Defenders League welcomes back the always lovely, Earth22 (also known as Lyanna Stark) to the Greenwood Band after she amusingly rejoined with my forum account by accident (I had been using her computer) – thus starting off a funny dialogue on the forums. The League also happily welcomes Abbey Anumia, Mesoland and Astarial, as well as Subject X7, Zarkenis Ultima, The Drone Empire, Tehraan, Discoveria, Bajireyn, Westfolde, The United Kingdom of Poland, Kritarchy Kolumbes, Zaras, Belhorizon, Embassy Lords and Mertado!

Likewise, we’re very honoured to welcome The Freestates, The Western Reaches and Imagey Nation (who was commended by the Security Council for his renowned “If you want a seal or logo” thread) to The United Defenders League’s Artist Guild which has been a smashing success thus far – I know of several private image requests that have been satisfied by the Guild and I’ve recently signed off on a project by image-making rockstars, The Western Reaches and Lochinver to improve the design of the forum – I’m excited to see the results. To get a feel for The Western Reaches’s work, I’d take a look at the incredible poster he made for The United Defenders League recently.

UDL Master Craftsman, Lochinver takes matters into his own hand when a troll joins #udl.

* General_Tyler was kicked by Unibot (BYE!)
<+AdmiralMew|Karma> Thank you, Unibot
<@Unibot> That was for his own security.
<@Unibot> Not ours :P
<+Lochinver> we were about to make him use MS Paint
<@Unibot> Oh gawd


As for military successes, it’s been a slow week but I know there was a successful defense in African Union and liberations in The Alliance of Ogrefasz, Great White Brotherhood, The Plain of Scamander, The Islamic Republic of Iran, Actiunedon, The Dominion of Satan and a liberation in done with the Royal British Isles Navy in New Confederacy of Sovereign Nations. Also, the Post-Liberation mission in Zoo is *finally* over, since the password has been changed as per native wishes to keep the region in “lockdown” – we wish the native community well there!

Bribery at its finest.

<@Unibot> Also you guys should know..
<@Unibot> If you get this one
<@Unibot> You get a military ribbon
<@Unibot> :P
<@Unibot> So everybody stay up!
<Nullarni> Ribbons! Huzzah!
<+Astrolinium> But, Uni... I don't have enough hair to put in /another/ ribbon. :P
<+Nationstatelandsville> Can I show this ribbon to children and scream "F*** YOU, BRATS, I WAS IN A WAR!"


Some final stuff to bring up,

The Monthly Awards for The United Defenders League are up! Congratulations to the recipients of the awards.

And lastly, The United Defenders League says farewell to Milograd on his “indefinite sabbatical” from NationStates. Milograd, former Chief Lieutenant and our institution’s Guardian, has touched all of us in the Greenwood Band with his innocent, heart-warming demeanor and his dark humor – he will be greatly missed.

In honour of Milograd, your Moment of Zen is:

<@Milograd> Jaywalking should be a capital crime
<@Milograd> Just to show those people who think they can get away with it.
<@Mahaj> lol
<+Jenrak> The world will be derived of photogenic white women, Milograd.
<+Jenrak> You will plunge the planet into a darker era.
<@Milograd> Truly.


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Postby Tramiar » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:07 pm

Oh, God, they have shirts.
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Postby SunRawr » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:11 pm

Tramiar wrote:Oh, God, they have shirts.

That about covers it.

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Postby Cromarty » Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:12 am

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Tramiar wrote:Oh, God, they have shirts.

That about covers it.

I'm sure there's some in the mail for both of you. ;p
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Postby Weed » Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:23 am

If we're going to have shirts can we have underwear too? I want some defender underwear.
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Postby Belschaft » Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:24 am

Cromarty wrote:
SunRawr wrote:That about covers it.

I'm sure there's some in the mail for both of you. ;p

Indeed. I have Uni's word for it that they are awesome, and mine should be waiting for me when I get home today from Notts :)
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:37 am

Weed wrote:If we're going to have shirts can we have underwear too? I want some defender underwear.


The perfect excuse to have a panty raid.

Also, apparently both Astarial and Abbey Anumia joined the UDL. Wow. Congrats UDL :)
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Postby Mahaj » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:09 am

Weed wrote:If we're going to have shirts can we have underwear too? I want some defender underwear.

My school's selling boxers... $20 and i'll write 'UDL' with a marker on it.
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<@Eluvatar> Why is SkyDip such a purist raiderist
<+frattastan> Because his region was never raided.
<+maxbarry> EarthAway: I guess I might dabble in raiding just to experience it better, but I would not like to raid regions of natives, so I'd probably be more interested in defense and liberations

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