The Black Hawks: The Most Feared Military Organization in NS

[Mjollnira]

Hard to believe the last South Pacific raid was two years ago already.

[Corvus Corax]

Hehee!

Okey Folks! Now it's time to pile endorsements for genuine raider GCR delegate at South Pacific. Old, corrupt, decadent, cynical, hypocritical defenderist hegemony is trying steal it from us freedom loving people! Move your Idle WA-nations to there and endorse Delegate Pina Coladas.

You hardly can use your WA-nation better then that. Proceed! Keep up Initiative!

[Vandoosa]

YAY! I am already there!

[Consular]

How on earth did this not get libbed. Can't using piling as an excuse for this one.

[Mjollnira]

How on earth did this not get libbed. Can't using piling as an excuse for this one.

Well, "defenders" like Xoriet from The East Pacific were too busy raiding Belgium to assist with liberating South Pacific, so that was part of it.

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

How on earth did this not get libbed. Can't using piling as an excuse for this one.

Well, "defenders" like Xoriet from The East Pacific were too busy raiding Belgium to assist with liberating South Pacific, so that was part of it.

Did they actually "raid" Belgium? The WFE hasn't been altered, no embassies have been closed, and no one has been ejected.

[Corvus Corax]

How on earth did this not get libbed. Can't using piling as an excuse for this one.

28 vs. 29 endos for Raiders. Half drunken TBR tag team was almost late from the scene, but Raideron Almighty guided His Children...

Yes. Indeed. The Pile cannot be used an excuse now.

[RiderSyl]

Did they actually "raid" Belgium? The WFE hasn't been altered, no embassies have been closed, and no one has been ejected.

Some defender disunity, similar to what struck The Grey Wardens, struck the EPSA a while back. Xoriet had been planning to raid Belgium as a 'fuck you' to the defenders that wronged the EPSA, so yeah, I'd say this is legit.

[Festavo2]

I am glad I was a part of it

[Frattastan II]

raid Belgium as a 'fuck you' to the defenders that wronged the EPSA, so yeah, I'd say this is legit.

I would have preferred an actual "fuck you", though.

Is there a specific reason to pick Belgium, or is it like when UIAF targets Canada for associating with FRA?

[Famicon]

Xoriet had been planning to raid Belgium as a 'fuck you' to the defenders that wronged the EPSA, so yeah, I'd say this is legit.

I fail to see how I ever wronged EPSA.

-A defender from Belgium

[Jakker]

Xoriet had been planning to raid Belgium as a 'fuck you' to the defenders that wronged the EPSA, so yeah, I'd say this is legit.

I fail to see how I ever wronged EPSA.

-A defender from Belgium

I cannot speak for Xoriet, but I don't think she thinks any defenders have wronged EPSA. EPSA is an independent military and have shown that they defend and raid. No one should be upset about them playing both sides when their laws prevent an ideology. TBH was happy as always to work with EPSA on a wonderfully executed raid.

[Evil Wolf]

-A defender from Belgium

You mean you're Campinia, from the UDL.

Because you're signature clearly says you're Campinia, from the UDL.

[Mjollnira]

Some defender disunity, similar to what struck The Grey Wardens, struck the EPSA a while back. Xoriet had been planning to raid Belgium as a 'fuck you' to the defenders that wronged the EPSA, so yeah, I'd say this is legit.

If Xoriet actually had EPSA raid Belgium because she was irritated with defenders, and not for the lulz as was given for the reason last night, that's actually even more disturbing and really calls into question the wisdom of defenders continuing to work with EPSA. If this is how they're going to react to disputes with defenders, maybe it's better to let them work with BoM, TBH, et al., on a more permanent basis than have a military widely perceived as "mostly defender" putting a knife in the backs of defenders whenever the whim strikes.

You mean you're Campinia, from the UDL.

Because you're signature clearly says you're Campinia, from the UDL.

Does this somehow preclude him from being a defender native of Belgium? Ravania came to the UDL after Vlaanderen was raided -- did joining the UDL somehow make him no longer a native of Vlaanderen? Or are you just taking inane and incoherent shots at defenders?

[Famicon]

-A defender from Belgium

You mean you're Campinia, from the UDL.

Because you're signature clearly says you're Campinia, from the UDL.

I mean I'm Campinia, from Belgium, Vlaanderen, Lazarus, The Rejected Realms, Spiritus and yes the UDL. I just don't keep my sigs up to date on nations that I rarely post with.

[Drop Your Pants]

-A defender from Belgium

You mean you're Campinia, from the UDL.

Because you're signature clearly says you're Campinia, from the UDL.

Defenders can be natives too

[Evil Wolf]

Defenders can be natives too

If raiders can't be natives, defenders can't be either.

[Guy]

Of course invaders can be natives. In their own regions.

[Evil Wolf]

Like in Hogwarts?

[Frattastan II]

Go home Wolf.

[Xoriet]

Did your memory fail that you recruited from EPSA, Cormac? We spent months choosing to assist in the defenses out of goodwill and fun. And how was that dedication thanked? You thought to bolster your own new and shiny force by taking from us. When I first thought of the raid, two weeks ago, it was because I was extremely angry,

But that was not why we went through with it two weeks later. Where "backstabbing" is stated, I should note that the behavior of "They helped us but that's not enough when we think we need something and we want it under our command" is in its own way quite a betrayal. A betrayal of trust. Trust which was placed in people we had hitherto trusted immensely to respect our sovereignty and individuality as much as we respected theirs.

That alone would be justification to fit the Eastern Pacific Sovereign Army Act, our legal code, had I chosen to let it be so. This was, however, not the chosen justification because that one would have simply been petty. As long as our military and our region agreed that the justification we ultimately decided upon and was provided was sufficient, it was not illegal. This operation happened last night because it was intended to be fun to the participants. And, as ever, my aim is for things to be fun for the people involved in the operation at hand.

At any rate, keep your vitriol on the person who deserves the recrimination that is so clearly festering here, not on EPSA. They merely followed the orders issued by the person who planned, recruited, and executed the raid. That person is me. If you need someone to condemn, I suggest you aim it at the present Acting Overseeing Officer of EPSA, who is entirely the source of this operation. My military followed my orders as they are asked to, nothing more. Belgium was intended to be short, nondestructive, and in the spirit of cooperation.

Thank you to The Black Hawks, The Brotherhood of Malice, Lone Wolves United, and The Sekhmet Legion for assisting in the jump. Everyone else who contributed for the duration, I thank you as well. It was short, but the time we spent together during this operation was fun.

Revall, whatever of the aforementioned you represent here, I'll let you decide.

[Mjollnira]

Did your memory fail that you recruited from EPSA, Cormac? We spent months choosing to assist in the defenses out of goodwill and fun. And how was that dedication thanked? You thought to bolster your own new and shiny force by taking from us. When I first thought of the raid, two weeks ago, it was because I was extremely angry,

But that was not why we went through with it two weeks later. Where "backstabbing" is stated, I should note that the behavior of "They helped us but that's not enough when we think we need something and we want it under our command" is in its own way quite a betrayal. A betrayal of trust. Trust which was placed in people we had hitherto trusted immensely to respect our sovereignty and individuality as much as we respected theirs.

Are you actually stating that you came up with the idea to raid Belgium, a region in which I have never been involved, because I asked Ivo to join The Grey Wardens? It's not like I even asked him to leave EPSA. I just asked him to join another military. He asked for an exemption from the policy against joining another military and you granted it, without ever indicating that you had a problem of any kind with him being recruited. EPSA also routinely insists that people who want to join EPSA must leave any other military they're in (see, for reference, Applebania).

This is petty beyond belief, and the idea that you came up with this just two weeks ago, are still this angry about it, but are now saying this wasn't why you raided and it was just for fun is ludicrous. You raided Belgium because you were mad I recruited Ivo. You betrayed every defender in NationStates because I asked one person to join The Grey Wardens. That is pathetic.

[Frattastan II]

It was short, but the time we spent together during this operation was fun.

You are welcome.

[Evil Wolf]

You betrayed every defender in NationStates

Hyperbole much?

[Mjollnira]

You betrayed every defender in NationStates

Hyperbole much?

With the significance Belgium has for defenders -- significance of which Xoriet was clearly aware, which is why she selected this as a target, to punish a defender for recruiting an EPSA soldier -- I don't think that's an over the top statement. She decided to flip the bird to defenders for even pettier reasons than anyone had imagined.