Latin motto clinic

[Themiclesia]

You know, because the phrase that Giga wanted translated is from a motto of the Adeptus Astartes from WH40K, and it resembles what I'd call a "general maxim". Besides, the English construction "let X something" translates the Greek third person imperative.

Something like μηδεῖς ζήτω

It's ancient Greek, my canadian friend.

Still Greek

[Estenia]

It's ancient Greek, my canadian friend.

Still Greek

Huge differece.

[Themiclesia]

Still Greek

Huge differece.

Well, I've only studied the Attic dialect, so I wouldn't know. But a more appropriate venue to continue the discussion of Greek is on the Greek Motto thread.

[Naivetry]

Well, the Latin participle system is definitely a far cry from what is postulated to have existed in the past, as I now realized after some preliminary reading. It does not have the middle participles characteristic of IE languages, as Grk. -men- and Sanskr. -mana-, or the perfect active participles reconstructed in -wo- and -us-, but it does have the -t- participle, which originally may have been a verbal adjective... as it is in Greek in -te- + second declension endings.

This does not, however, stop Roman poets from occasionally using passive verb forms (including not only perfect passive participles but also finite verbs) as if they had a middle voice. For which I blame Greek.

Yep. Or possibly, Cum hostes in urbem intrent... Latin has fewer options for how to express these things than Greek - a fact which annoyed Roman writers to no end.

So that type of subordinate clause takes Cum + subjunctive, right? Adverbial Cum.

Yep. Though I've not heard it called adverbial cum; it's really a conjunction (archaic form quom). In this case, I'd tell my students it was cum causal (rather than circumstantial or concessive/adversative).

[Themiclesia]

Well, the Latin participle system is definitely a far cry from what is postulated to have existed in the past, as I now realized after some preliminary reading. It does not have the middle participles characteristic of IE languages, as Grk. -men- and Sanskr. -mana-, or the perfect active participles reconstructed in -wo- and -us-, but it does have the -t- participle, which originally may have been a verbal adjective... as it is in Greek in -te- + second declension endings.

This does not, however, stop Roman poets from occasionally using passive verb forms (including not only perfect passive participles but also finite verbs) as if they had a middle voice. For which I blame Greek.

So that type of subordinate clause takes Cum + subjunctive, right? Adverbial Cum.

Yep. Though I've not heard it called adverbial cum; it's really a conjunction (archaic form quom). In this case, I'd tell my students it was cum causal (rather than circumstantial or concessive/adversative).

Though I feel bound to say that Greek influence on Latin, as far as linguistics go, are expansionary and not detrimental.

On the other hand, my friend also produced a rather bewildering theory:

tenere = to hold
tetinisse/tenuisse = to have

Because "I have held" = "I have".

Likewise, linquere = to leave, but liquisse = to abandon, and videre = to see, but vidisse = to know, after Greek cognates ἰδεῖν, εἰδέναι.

[Themiclesia]

Still Greek

Huge differece.

Like?

[SuperFruitland]

The fruit shall rise again.

plz translate

[Arcturus Novus]

Finally, a place where I can apply classics!

Also, just to be safe, is "Gens Oryzae praevalebit" the proper translation of my current motto? I just want to be sure, I haven't taken Latin classes in over a year.

[Astrolinium]

The fruit shall rise again.

plz translate

Fructus iterum surget!

Finally, a place where I can apply classics!

Also, just to be safe, is "Gens Oryzae praevalebit" the proper translation of my current motto? I just want to be sure, I haven't taken Latin classes in over a year.

Yeah, that works.

[Grangeco]

The land of three seas

[Themiclesia]

The land of three seas

Ea terra trium marium

[Astrolinium]

The land of three seas

Ea terra trium marium

Just Terra Trium Marium.

Never translate articles, as Latin does not have them, except in special cases where it would warrant something like ille (e.g. Hobbitus Ille, aut Illuc atque Rursus Retrorsum, because it's actually an important distinction to make that he is, in fact, a specific hobbit).

[Themiclesia]

Ea terra trium marium

Just Terra Trium Marium.

Never translate articles, as Latin does not have them, except in special cases where it would warrant something like ille (e.g. Hobbitus Ille, aut Illuc atque Rursus Retrorsum, because it's actually an important distinction to make that he is, in fact, a specific hobbit).

I suppose that this land of three seas is a reference to the country itself, and therefore appears to me to be logical to be translated with an article...

[Astrolinium]

Just Terra Trium Marium.

Never translate articles, as Latin does not have them, except in special cases where it would warrant something like ille (e.g. Hobbitus Ille, aut Illuc atque Rursus Retrorsum, because it's actually an important distinction to make that he is, in fact, a specific hobbit).

I suppose that this land of three seas is a reference to the country itself, and therefore appears to me to be logical to be translated with an article...

Well, Latin doesn't have an article, so it's erroneous to put a personal pronoun in its place like you have. You'd never see that in classical style, which is what we try to emulate here.

[Themiclesia]

I suppose that this land of three seas is a reference to the country itself, and therefore appears to me to be logical to be translated with an article...

Well, Latin doesn't have an article, so it's erroneous to put a personal pronoun in its place like you have. You'd never see that in classical style, which is what we try to emulate here.

I wasn't under the impression that Latin had personal pronouns in the third person at all, and this usage would seem more demonstrative to me than pronominal. Much less οὗ, οἶ, ἕ in Greek, which might just be cognate to the reflexives in Latin sui, suo, suum.

[Astrolinium]

Well, Latin doesn't have an article, so it's erroneous to put a personal pronoun in its place like you have. You'd never see that in classical style, which is what we try to emulate here.

I wasn't under the impression that Latin had personal pronouns in the third person at all, and this usage would seem more demonstrative to me than pronominal.

I mean, just like ego or tu they're mostly used intensively since the subject is in the verb. You might say, Marco pilis ludere placet, sed sorori eius gladiis ludere placet: is ergo pilis ludet et ea gladiis.

[Themiclesia]

I wasn't under the impression that Latin had personal pronouns in the third person at all, and this usage would seem more demonstrative to me than pronominal.

I mean, just like ego or tu they're mostly used intensively since the subject is in the verb. You might say, Marco pilis ludere placet, sed sorori eius gladiis ludere placet: is ergo pilis ludet et ea gladiis.

I fully understand and accept your point. magister tu comparandus/a.

[Nordic States and Territories]

With no understanding of latin, I use google translate to make cool latin mottos. I don't want to be that person that uses google translate for mottos.

The motto I have currently is, "Pluribus, est de Unum". I don't know how much sense it makes, but what I'm looking for is, "Many, under one", or more literally, "Individuals united under one common entity". Is my current motto suitable, or need it be reworked?

Thanks

[Themiclesia]

With no understanding of latin, I use google translate to make cool latin mottos. I don't want to be that person that uses google translate for mottos.

The motto I have currently is, "Pluribus, est de Unum". I don't know how much sense it makes, but what I'm looking for is, "Many, under one", or more literally, "Individuals united under one common entity". Is my current motto suitable, or need it be reworked?

Thanks

I could see the parallels between your motto and the phrase minted on US coins, which essentially means "one out of many". Your current motto literally translates as "With regard to many, he eats/is about one". The copulative est can't be easily understood with this sentence because it lacks a predicate to which an implied subject could be equated.

I should posit plura sub uno, though there are many permutations possible depending on the genders of the referents of those substantive adjectives.

[Vojislav]

Peace, Strength, Prosperity?

[Themiclesia]

Peace, Strength, Prosperity?

pax ops salus.

Some of the shortest words in Latin.

[HMS Unicorn]

Hey there masters of latin, I had a couple of requests. How would you translate:

1) "Beauty in truth".
2) "Home is where the heart is".

Thanks in advance!

[Astrolinium]

Hey there masters of latin, I had a couple of requests. How would you translate:

1) "Beauty in truth".
2) "Home is where the heart is".

Thanks in advance!

1) Pulchritudo in veritate.
2) Domus est cordis sedes or Domi est ubi cor est. The first is a slightly more poetic translation, the second is more literal.

[Cinnabarra]

Hello ! Could you translate "United in Diversity", please ?

Thanks in advance !

[Astrolinium]

Hello ! Could you translate "United in Diversity", please ?

Thanks in advance !

Unitus in Variantia