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Quintessence of Dust
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A Farewell To My Region

Postby Quintessence of Dust » Thu May 12, 2011 7:49 pm

More than anything, my biggest problem with the SC remains that it is literally the only part of the game you cannot opt out of.

It has always been a part of NS lore that you do not have to participate. Players have never been compelled to be members of the site forums. Every nation comes fitted with IGNORE cannons. No one has to take part in General debate, Factbook posting, Sports roleplaying, or anything else. You don't have to join the WA; if you do join the WA, you don't have to vote or use the forums; even if you join the WA and get a proposal to vote, you don't have to defend it in the official topic.

Even gameplay is opt-in. Yes, sometimes harmless user regions got invaded without really knowing what was going on, or innocent bystanders got caught in the adolescent swirl of big region gameplay, but in theory any region with a founder can isolate itself from the threat of invasion.

But there is no way of insulating yourself from the in-text and in-game aspects of SC proposals. Unlike the WA, where anyone who is not a member is by definition not affected and anyone who is a member still cannot be explicitly called out by the proposal's text or effects, the SC cannot be ignored.

So, Quintessence of Dust is no longer a member of Wysteria, which in the grand theme of things is not so big a change. What really concerns me is that, unlike the WA, unlike General, unlike II roleplay or Sports roleplay or F&NI roleplay, unlike even the threat of invasion and counterinvasion, the SC can only truly be avoided by leaving the game entirely.
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Crazy girl
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Postby Crazy girl » Fri May 13, 2011 1:54 am

Is this about Wysteria possibly getting a commendation or you being mentioned in the proposal?

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Postby Ballotonia » Fri May 13, 2011 2:23 am

A Commendation can typically be easily avoided by telling the author you don't want to be commended.

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SchutteGod
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Postby SchutteGod » Fri May 13, 2011 9:11 am

Speaking as a former Wysterian, I am very sorry to hear about this.

Crazy girl wrote:Is this about Wysteria possibly getting a commendation or you being mentioned in the proposal?

If a player doesn't want his legacy being used by an opportunist seeking to suck up to a popular region like Wysteria, that's his right. It's bad enough with SCers trying to use their Council to humiliate players they don't like; the opposite effect is no more fair.
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Crazy girl
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Postby Crazy girl » Fri May 13, 2011 9:21 am

And I never said it wasn't. I was simply wondering which was his reason, and if it was the latter, if he has tried to contact the author to tell him he doesn't appreciate being mentioned in the proposal. But I suppose leaving is an option too.

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Postby Going Postal » Mon May 16, 2011 12:51 pm

Quintessence of Dust wrote:More than anything, my biggest problem with the SC remains that it is literally the only part of the game you cannot opt out of.

It has always been a part of NS lore that you do not have to participate. Players have never been compelled to be members of the site forums. Every nation comes fitted with IGNORE cannons. No one has to take part in General debate, Factbook posting, Sports roleplaying, or anything else. You don't have to join the WA; if you do join the WA, you don't have to vote or use the forums; even if you join the WA and get a proposal to vote, you don't have to defend it in the official topic.

Even gameplay is opt-in. Yes, sometimes harmless user regions got invaded without really knowing what was going on, or innocent bystanders got caught in the adolescent swirl of big region gameplay, but in theory any region with a founder can isolate itself from the threat of invasion.

But there is no way of insulating yourself from the in-text and in-game aspects of SC proposals. Unlike the WA, where anyone who is not a member is by definition not affected and anyone who is a member still cannot be explicitly called out by the proposal's text or effects, the SC cannot be ignored.

So, Quintessence of Dust is no longer a member of Wysteria, which in the grand theme of things is not so big a change. What really concerns me is that, unlike the WA, unlike General, unlike II roleplay or Sports roleplay or F&NI roleplay, unlike even the threat of invasion and counterinvasion, the SC can only truly be avoided by leaving the game entirely.


A simple telegram to notify me you did not want your name in the proposal would of solved the problem. I was simply ignorant on your strong stance against the WA's Security Council, and once I seen this you were immediately removed from the proposal.

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Thorenthal
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Postby Thorenthal » Mon May 23, 2011 9:42 am

Well, that settles that. Come back QoD!

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Luna Amore
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Postby Luna Amore » Mon May 23, 2011 10:33 am

Getting a nod in a Commendation is a bad thing? Never would have figured. When did praising some become a bad thing?

As to opting out, you could just ignore it.

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The Murtunian Tribes
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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Mon May 23, 2011 10:38 am

Luna Amore wrote:Getting a nod in a Commendation is a bad thing? Never would have figured. When did praising some become a bad thing?

As to opting out, you could just ignore it.

Because the SC is for tools, of tools, and by tools. And some people, oddly enough, don't like being lumped in the same category as tools.

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Postby Aglrinia » Mon May 23, 2011 10:47 am

The Security Council is the one and only thing in this game that I can't stand, while I've also found it annoying that no one can repeal general assembly resolution number one, even if the chances of it being repealed are were one in a million.
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Postby Sedgistan » Mon May 23, 2011 10:59 am

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:Because the SC is for tools, of tools, and by tools. And some people, oddly enough, don't like being lumped in the same category as tools.

Do try to be a bit more careful with what you say.

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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Mon May 23, 2011 11:25 am

Sedgistan wrote:
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:Because the SC is for tools, of tools, and by tools. And some people, oddly enough, don't like being lumped in the same category as tools.

Do try to be a bit more careful with what you say.

At least it's not as bad as calling Unibot "Number one Security Council Whore" a la Gatesville. :p

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Postby Luna Amore » Mon May 23, 2011 11:26 am

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Luna Amore wrote:Getting a nod in a Commendation is a bad thing? Never would have figured. When did praising some become a bad thing?

As to opting out, you could just ignore it.

Because the SC is for tools, of tools, and by tools. And some people, oddly enough, don't like being lumped in the same category as tools.

OK, but that brings me back to the 'ignore it' option. You can't control whether someone mentions you or your region on the forums or RMBs. Why is the SC different? So you think it's the tooliest tool that ever tooled; then it shouldn't matter to you what it says, should it?

It just seems silly to leave a region over getting a compliment, even if it's from the high Tooliness, the SC, itself.

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Postby Lithatrius » Mon May 23, 2011 5:13 pm

Luna Amore wrote:
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:Because the SC is for tools, of tools, and by tools. And some people, oddly enough, don't like being lumped in the same category as tools.

OK, but that brings me back to the 'ignore it' option. You can't control whether someone mentions you or your region on the forums or RMBs. Why is the SC different? So you think it's the tooliest tool that ever tooled; then it shouldn't matter to you what it says, should it?

It just seems silly to leave a region over getting a compliment, even if it's from the high Tooliness, the SC, itself.

I would expect it to be a matter of principle. While in this case, yes it's true that a compliment (commendation) is a good thing, in another case, with another player, it could be a condemnation, and I believe that that is well and truly out-of-line. As GA-ers always say to natsov-ers, "if you don't like the effects of Resolution #x, leave the WA". However, in this case, you're being affected by the WA irrespective of personal membership, which I agree is wrong, and needs reforming.
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Postby Going Postal » Mon May 23, 2011 6:31 pm

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Luna Amore wrote:Getting a nod in a Commendation is a bad thing? Never would have figured. When did praising some become a bad thing?

As to opting out, you could just ignore it.

Because the SC is for tools, of tools, and by tools. And some people, oddly enough, don't like being lumped in the same category as tools.


Little bit disrespectful if you ask me, but your opinion means nothing. Good Day Sir.


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