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[NSNS] DEN victory in A Silly Place

Postby NS News Service » Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:07 pm

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DEN victory in A Silly Place
TITO tricked into handing over A Silly Place to DEN


News broke recently that the historic region, A Silly Place has fallen to DEN. A Silly Place has always been a relatively small region, with its population usually around 10-30 nations. Nonetheless, it has been around since at least 2003, though it has been founderless for a number of years. As a result, the region had been targeted by invaders from time to time, and a recent invasion prompted TITO (the military wing of 10000 Islands) to contact the delegate, Marflo about re-founding. This was to be organised by TITO Field Commander Anime Daisuki, with the hope being that re-founding would leave the region secure from future invasions.

Following the successful re-found in mid-March, Grub (10000 Islands founder) handed Buddman, the founder nation of A Silly Place, over to Marflo, who had served as delegate for A Silly Place since May 2010. However, it turned out that Marflo was the Foreign Minister of DEN, the well-known invader group, and that the raid which prompted the re-founding had been deliberately set up for that purpose by DEN.

A recent press-statement by The DEN Field Marshal of Attitude 910 claimed that DEN "are not empire builders", but would hold the region "to prove a point". These points were that DEN "are still smarter then the Fendas" and that defender groups should stop re-founding regions, as they can never truly know when they are handing the founder nation over to an invader. TITO were unavailable for comment at the time of going to press.

It remains to be seen whether these events have any effect on defender tactics, but NSNS will be watching to see what happens.

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Postby Oliver the Mediocre » Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:17 pm

TITO were unavailable for comment at the time of going to press.


/me chuckles.

I'll bet they were.
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Postby Ballotonia » Sat Apr 23, 2011 12:26 am

TITO were unavailable for comment at the time of going to press.


Such a statement would mean you asked for comment in the first place...

Oh, and thanks for giving Defenders a reason to hold onto defended regions ourselves. If anyone ever complains, we can point to A Silly Place and explain why that is really necessary.

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Postby Crazy girl » Sat Apr 23, 2011 12:37 am

We did ask. As of yet, we haven't recieved any replies.

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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:58 am

Ah see? That's the kind of backstabbiness I miss.

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Postby Kalibarr » Sat Apr 23, 2011 7:05 pm

Interesting to see DEN back

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Postby Evil Wolf » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:58 pm

Wait, what? NO! *I* was going to steal A Silly Place! Damn you DEN! (Of course, I was going to do it while they were refounding it, so I guess we can let this one slide for now) :p

Ballotonia wrote:Oh, and thanks for giving Defenders a reason to hold onto defended regions ourselves. If anyone ever complains, we can point to A Silly Place and explain why that is really necessary.


The ugly tyranny of Defenderism once again shows its horrid head! Take heed little regions of the Earth, for the Defender does not wish to be your friend, he wishes to be your master! O tempora! O mores!
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Kryozerkia wrote:In the good old days raiding was illegal
Crazy Girl wrote:Invading was never illegal
[violet] wrote:There is supposed to be an invasion game.

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Postby DENRecruiter » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:03 am

I told you DEN would be back EW :lol:

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Postby Evil Wolf » Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:17 am

Well, yes, but you never said when.
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Kryozerkia wrote:In the good old days raiding was illegal
Crazy Girl wrote:Invading was never illegal
[violet] wrote:There is supposed to be an invasion game.

Mallorea and Riva should be a Game Moderator Game Administrator.

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Postby Attitude 910 » Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:27 pm

Evil Wolf wrote:Wait, what? NO! *I* was going to steal A Silly Place! Damn you DEN! (Of course, I was going to do it while they were refounding it, so I guess we can let this one slide for now) :p

Ballotonia wrote:Oh, and thanks for giving Defenders a reason to hold onto defended regions ourselves. If anyone ever complains, we can point to A Silly Place and explain why that is really necessary.


The ugly tyranny of Defenderism once again shows its horrid head! Take heed little regions of the Earth, for the Defender does not wish to be your friend, he wishes to be your master! O tempora! O mores!



I know you were gonna try an snatch that region, Wolf. You TGd me not knowing it was me. :lol:


And as to Defenderism there are only a few groups that do actual defending anymore. Maybe they should all get back to that instead of being lazy, in my opinion, and hold on to regions forever or re-found instead of defending and moving on.

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Postby Oliver the Mediocre » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:25 am

Evil Wolf wrote:
Ballotonia wrote:Oh, and thanks for giving Defenders a reason to hold onto defended regions ourselves. If anyone ever complains, we can point to A Silly Place and explain why that is really necessary.

The ugly tyranny of Defenderism once again shows its horrid head! Take heed little regions of the Earth, for the Defender does not wish to be your friend, he wishes to be your master! O tempora! O mores!

As silly as EW sounds, he's got a point. Force the people to give up freedom for security? I feel like I've heard that argument somewhere before...
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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:10 pm

Oliver the Mediocre wrote:
Evil Wolf wrote:The ugly tyranny of Defenderism once again shows its horrid head! Take heed little regions of the Earth, for the Defender does not wish to be your friend, he wishes to be your master! O tempora! O mores!

As silly as EW sounds, he's got a point. Force the people to give up freedom for security? I feel like I've heard that argument somewhere before...

"Those who would give up freedom for security deserve neither." -Benjamin Franklin

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Postby Northern Chittowa » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:15 pm

...

Wait, what?

Are we really going to take EW's point seriously? When that point was based on an equally tongue in cheek post?

Come on now, I'm all for a bit of a debate on the ethics et al of defending/invading, but this...?

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Postby Kalibarr » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:26 pm

If you think this is bad, you should have seen that thread about changing how the update times work

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Postby Oliver the Mediocre » Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:20 pm

Northern Chittowa wrote:...

Wait, what?

Are we really going to take EW's point seriously? When that point was based on an equally tongue in cheek post?


I'm afraid I don't know Ballotonia as well as you do, and couldn't possibly assume that such a post was intended to be tongue-in-cheek.
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Postby Ballotonia » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:03 am

Oliver the Mediocre wrote:
Northern Chittowa wrote:...

Wait, what?

Are we really going to take EW's point seriously? When that point was based on an equally tongue in cheek post?


I'm afraid I don't know Ballotonia as well as you do, and couldn't possibly assume that such a post was intended to be tongue-in-cheek.


Northern Chittowa doesn't know me at all, it seems.

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Postby Northern Chittowa » Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:16 am

I don't know Ballotonia at all, I know of him but I don't know him personally.

Alright though, let me rephrase what I said slightly. Why would we debate something which will never ever be actually used by defenders? I was sure it was said tongue in cheek because, despite what has happened here (its not the first time and it wont be the last) defenders will not keep hold of defended regions 'for their own safety' because it would be foolish to do so. They could, and yes they could point to A Silly Place and say this is what happens' but they wont.

...And i can't believe I have actually had to state why that policy would never be enacted... :palm:

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Postby Oliver the Mediocre » Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:10 am

Northern Chittowa wrote:...And i can't believe I have actually had to state why that policy would never be enacted... :palm:


It's interesting, and this is a general comment, because I definitely see it going both ways; many defender-oriented people think that raiders are going to go to the greatest extremes and react to things that any raider says according, and many raiders think that defenders are going to go to their greatest extremes, and react to things that any defender says accordingly. I'm sorry for continuing this trend on my part.

Would be nice, I think, if more defenders and raiders could actually talk to each other on a regular basis, and so eliminate this "every raider/defender is the extreme" misconception that plagues our part of the game.
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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:11 am

Oliver the Mediocre wrote:
Northern Chittowa wrote:...And i can't believe I have actually had to state why that policy would never be enacted... :palm:


It's interesting, and this is a general comment, because I definitely see it going both ways; many defender-oriented people think that raiders are going to go to the greatest extremes and react to things that any raider says according, and many raiders think that defenders are going to go to their greatest extremes, and react to things that any defender says accordingly. I'm sorry for continuing this trend on my part.

Would be nice, I think, if more defenders and raiders could actually talk to each other on a regular basis, and so eliminate this "every raider/defender is the extreme" misconception that plagues our part of the game.


But then who's heads would I get to put on stakes?

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Postby Swift Sure » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:09 am

I don't like how defenders claim to be absolutely morally superior without acknowledging what they do. One of the reasons I decided to return to the Four Realms sphere after The United Kingdom (TUK) fell, was because they gave TUKers support despite having no reason to. Why would they choose to help a community whose region was part of FRA and not aid the takeover, despite the fact that it would result in TUK becoming raider? It was based on principles and it was something that TNI grappled with. Their conclusion was that while TUK may be fender and a region they are at war with, it went beyond that.

The elected government asked to leave FRA, so as to not support the takeover and they decided to keep the region, in the hope that they would keep the region in FRA. There were no condemnations and there was no support (if not support for the takeover). To them, it was more important that they keep the region and not about paying back the loyalty or support (militarily) that TUK's government had shown FRA, let alone supporting the government based on morals or principles. I believe that the community means more than defending or raiding and I find it sad that that's not always the case. It's not as black and white as people make it seem and the ends don't always justify the means.
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