HYDRA COMMAND

[McManniaa]

Quick question McMann: did your choice of region to raid have anything to do with the fact that their Delegate nominated Hydra for an SC condemnation?

Why would I raid a region for doing something like that? That would be like slapping someone for giving me a compliment.

Also can you link me this condemnation. I kind of want to see it.

[Eliot Isaraider]

We also seem to have at least one WA Multi here, and someone who was banned from being a WA member following the Predator debacle joining the WA by entering the class region. I really wish people would think first before they do something. Contemplating whether something is legal or even 'a good idea' would really come in handy.

Ballotonia

In regards to this instance, I had no idea that when you moved into a school region, it gives automatic WA. When I moved and saw the WA thing on, I quickly resigned, and filed a GHR. Didn't endorse anybody, didn't get any endorsements. It was just a simple understanding. (Right Sedge? >_>)

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Quick question McMann: did your choice of region to raid have anything to do with the fact that their Delegate nominated Hydra for an SC condemnation?

Why would I raid a region for doing something like that? That would be like slapping someone for giving me a compliment.

Also can you link me this condemnation. I kind of want to see it.

Here you go.

http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vie ... 1461784044

When I made the connection I thought you'd gone in there to punish them for their appalling spelling.

[McManniaa]

Here you go.

http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vie ... 1461784044

When I made the connection I thought you'd gone in there to punish them for their appalling spelling.

No, that would be an over reaction.

[We Are Not the NSA]

Here's the thing, McMan, I'm fairly sure registered school regions are meant to be invasion proof. I don't mean that in the sense of "if you invade it, we delete you", I mean that in the sense of "this region should be impossible to invade".

You clever little pranksters somehow found a way to defeat the game mechanics and pull off what shouldn't be possible if the region was properly set up. I'd view that less of an illegal action and more of a game glitch. So congratulations HYDRA, you didn't just potentially break the rules, you broke the GAME.

Then again, I am not a MOD (for good reason), so best of luck to you all.

Flawed logic here, EW. We want class regions to not be invaded. They should be able to go through their classes without disturbance. To assist in that goal the game was set up to put up barriers (like a password and a telegram barrier) making it really difficult to invade. Lots of rules in the game CAN be broken, which is actually why the rules exist. If it were impossible to do we wouldn't need the OSRS. Your 'if the game allows the rule to be broken there's something wrong with the game' is very much the wrong attitude.

So, now it is up to the mods to figure out how to proceed here. Note that all known information will be weighed in: how well the rule was communicated, how obvious it is without it having to be stated explicitly, past offenses, etc...

We also seem to have at least one WA Multi here, and someone who was banned from being a WA member following the Predator debacle joining the WA by entering the class region. I really wish people would think first before they do something. Contemplating whether something is legal or even 'a good idea' would really come in handy.

Ballotonia

Thank you Ball, I'm sure moderation will factor in all relevant information in their decision. If we had been aware of the exact rules regarding such a situation we would not have engaged in this operation. As you can see from our debacles with WA membership last night, some of our members are unfamiliar with the rules and mechanics surrounding class regions. Although I was not involved in this specific operation, I was unaware of these rules as well.

[Consular]

What would make you think invading a class region is a good thing to do, regardless of its technical legality?

[The wolfman from den]

Because class is boring but essential if u remember it school says so this is just the class clown acting up

[Zacherie]

I didn't even know school regions forced WA. That's good to know.

[McManniaa]

Because class is boring but essential if u remember it school says so this is just the class clown acting up

Class isn't boring. I quite like education.

[Lord Ravenclaw]

Yikes, the spelling in that draft is horrific.

Of course, now we have a region of schoolkids and their teacher learning the "brutality" of raiders first hand. You may have just inspired half a dozen Umbridge-style school rules in their real life school.

[Loftegen]

"This [school] region is isolated from the rest of the game world, so students cannot communicate with or be approached by other players."
So if you do find a way to do so, doesn't it seem like you should either a)report it as a bug, or b)just not do it?

Perhaps, since once you're in you can't get out again, the best punishment would be to have their WA nations stuck there forever...

[Evil Wolf]

Perhaps, since once you're in you can't get out again, the best punishment would be to have their WA nations stuck there forever...

Or at least until their nation CTEs.

Hmm, you do have a point, if the punishment is the deletion of the puppet that invaded, technically speaking, that would mean the player can invade again right away with another puppet, unburdened by the auto-WA. Leaving them to their fate means they have to wait 28 days or longer to raid again, more than a fair punishment for an honest mistake.

[Libetarian Republics]

Side note, totally unrelated. "They should be able to go through their classes without disturbance." Is Edisonia still an active class? i checked out the regions RMB history, and the region is over five years old. I only have experience with the american education system, so Im no expert, but five years is a long time for a class

Edit: As far as it being an active region, I have no information regarding that.

I certainly don't want to be stuck in my American government class for five years.

These class regions are owned by the teachers/educators/professors themselves, and every year they recycle students. Naturally, I assume many continue to use NationStates as a platform for their curriculum.


More information can be found here: http://www.nationstates.net/page=educators

I also want to mention it explicitly states:

To facilitate its use in classes, NationStates allows educators to establish a special class region, within which students' nations reside. This region is isolated from the rest of the game world, so students cannot communicate with or be approached by other players.

Nations in a class region:

• Are automatically added to the World Assembly, without needing to supply an email address. (Normally, each nation that wishes to enter the WA must supply a unique e-mail address. Additionally, checks are performed to prevent players from operating more than one WA member nation. These do not apply to class members.)
• Cannot receive telegrams from or send telegrams to nations outside the region.
• Cannot leave the region.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Yikes, the spelling in that draft is horrific.

I know, yet the proposal itself is SC legal.

Being raided isn't punishment enough for spelling like that!

[We Are Not The SC]

Yikes, the spelling in that draft is horrific.

I know, yet the proposal itself is SC legal.

Being raided isn't punishment enough for spelling like that!

Indubitably my good fellow! Something must be done!

[King Nephmir II]

Had I logged in and known about this operation before hand, I would not have permitted Auralia to support such an operation that could result in potential rule breaking.

[Zacherie]

I call it a practical Geopolitical Science lesson.

[Sedgistan]

Class regions are "out of the game" when it comes to gameplay. Do not move to them. Do not invade them. This should be patently obvious.

All nations involved in the invasion of Edisonia have been deleted. HYDRA Soldier has been puppetswept for password cracking. Guessing passwords, whether of nations or regions, is illegal. The Type 49 TARDIS both moved a nation to Edisonia (illegal) and in doing so violated his WA ban. As such, his nations have been puppetswept, and his WA ban extended by a further 3 months to a total of 6 months. He is also DOS on next offence.

Given the number of former DEN members in HYDRA Command, one would have hoped that they would be very careful to obey the site rules. There's only so far that "oh, I didn't know" can get you, and you're way past that point.

[We Are Not the NSA]

Class regions are "out of the game" when it comes to gameplay. Do not move to them. Do not invade them. This should be patently obvious.

All nations involved in the invasion of Edisonia have been deleted. HYDRA Soldier has been puppetswept for password cracking. Guessing passwords, whether of nations or regions, is illegal. The Type 49 TARDIS both moved a nation to Edisonia (illegal) and in doing so violated his WA ban. As such, his nations have been puppetswept, and his WA ban extended by a further 3 months to a total of 6 months. He is also DOS on next offence.

Given the number of former DEN members in HYDRA Command, one would have hoped that they would be very careful to obey the site rules. There's only so far that "oh, I didn't know" can get you, and you're way past that point.

Understood Sedge. This will not happen again.

[Eliot Isaraider II]

Class regions are "out of the game" when it comes to gameplay. Do not move to them. Do not invade them. This should be patently obvious.

All nations involved in the invasion of Edisonia have been deleted. HYDRA Soldier has been puppetswept for password cracking. Guessing passwords, whether of nations or regions, is illegal. The Type 49 TARDIS both moved a nation to Edisonia (illegal) and in doing so violated his WA ban. As such, his nations have been puppetswept, and his WA ban extended by a further 3 months to a total of 6 months. He is also DOS on next offence.

Given the number of former DEN members in HYDRA Command, one would have hoped that they would be very careful to obey the site rules. There's only so far that "oh, I didn't know" can get you, and you're way past that point.

My bad Sedge. I filed a GHR from the nation Bern Down for What. I explained that this was a misunderstanding and was intentional. It's also not our fault that you guys seem to have failed to make it clear enough that we can't move into a school region without being a part of that school. Nobody goes and reads back to five years to review rules. Please, for the love of God, so this doesn't have to happen again, could you make it more clear for everyone in GP what the rules are? Because this is really getting tiring. A raider will screw up, the mods look back and see a rule from 4-5 years ago that nobody knows about, and hits them for it. To prevent others from falling into this same predicament, could you guys please, please, please, make it more clear to everyone what the rules are. Most people just go to the One Stop Rule Shop and think, that's all the rules (like I did.). So, could you guys make a list of ALL the rules (so it's up-to-date) on the forums, so other don't have to go through this exact same crap as well? Thank you.

[Ramaeus]

-snip-

There's an old Latin phrase and legal principle: ignorantia juris non excusat -- ignorance of the law is no excuse. I would imagine it applies here.

[Eliot Isaraider II]

One last thing before I become quiet. I would just like everyone to know, HYDRA Command did not pop up when DEN had its demise. We were fully functional and raiding, well before that. It just so happened, the people in DEN saw that we were pretty good at raiding, and they wanted to join us. Why should it be our fault for having DEN PVTs, PFCs, and CPLs? Anyways, that's just my thoughts. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but let me be clear, HYDRA Command DID NOT spawn from DEN. So, just wanted to get that out of the way before everyone thinks that HYDRA Command is "full of cheaters from DEN." There's really just me that got hit for Pred in HYDRA.

[Eliot Isaraider II]

-snip-

There's an old Latin phrase and legal principle: ignorantia juris non excusat -- ignorance of the law is no excuse. I would imagine it applies here.

Which is why I'm asking the mods if they could make the law more accessible. I'm not pleading for me, I'm pleading for future people.

[Jeffersonborg]

I swear that's what I hate about some people in this game.

Why do you even need rules to stop you from thinking "Maybe I shouldn't interfere in a region set up as a Class Region: A region set up by teachers for thier students" Even if you think it's dead or inactive, it's not your place to decide - the teacher making the class region can decide however they want to use it, maybe they just want to keep it around till they think it's useful again.

[Floor 448]

If I may ask a question, why was someone who was on a WA ban specifically so that they wouldn't be raiding moving nations to targets?