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by Darenjo » Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:16 pm
by Sionis Prioratus » Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:02 pm
Darenjo wrote:You have got to be kidding me. This is not only overstepping the WA's bounds, it's totally and utterly pointless.
by NewCalifornia-Republic » Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:26 pm
by The Coyote Coalition » Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:50 pm
NewCalifornia-Republic wrote:While we at the N.C.R science association, agree and commend the WA for discussing this, cloning is against the law in the free nation of the NewCalifornia-Republic, so we will vote against this bill, unless we can take part but not have our people cloned, is that possible?
by Charlotte Ryberg » Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:57 pm
by The Coyote Coalition » Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:03 pm
NewCalifornia-Republic wrote:While we at the N.C.R science association, agree and commend the WA for discussing this, cloning is against the law in the free nation of the NewCalifornia-Republic, so we will vote against this bill, unless we can take part but not have our people cloned, is that possible?
by NewCalifornia-Republic » Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:12 pm
by The Coyote Coalition » Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:15 pm
Charlotte Ryberg wrote:A pretty brave resolution in Ms. Harper's opinion, but she will abstain because the coordination of measures against extinction doesn't have to be sited in the Arctic. I do understand about the preservation qualities, but couldn't the WA help existing institutes have a chance of developing a breakthrough that allows us to ensure continuity of the ecosystem?
by The Coyote Coalition » Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:27 pm
NewCalifornia-Republic wrote:Thank you for putting our minds to rest on that matter, but another member of the science association has brought something rather disturbing to my attention. If said extinction does happen to a peoples, by another peoples, wouldn't this put this centre at risk, is there some form of contingency plan or safe guard? Furthermore surely with global warming and other factors wouldn't it be better for it to be in a desert than in the Arctic?
The Coyote Coalition wrote:We had considered multiple facilities, although, there were concerns about scale. Robert and I decided that complaints might crop up concerning even more extensive use of World Assembly territory and, considering the complaints (flippant or otherwise) of those opposed involving the exact nature of the land we intended the World Assembly to implement, it seems it may not have been an incorrect decision. I do agree with you, though, but compromises often have to be made.
by Sintas » Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:40 pm
by Just Guy » Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:46 pm
by NewCalifornia-Republic » Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:55 pm
Sintas wrote:Ok, how did we get from extinction facility to military tactics? This is supposed to be about preserving, not destroying. I for one, like this resolution. As for those opposed, too bad, because more people are in favor than not!
by Buried Plows » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:28 pm
by The Associated Peoples » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:57 pm
Sintas wrote:Ok, how did we get from extinction facility to military tactics? This is supposed to be about preserving, not destroying. I for one, like this resolution. As for those opposed, too bad, because more people are in favor than not!
Just Guy wrote:Is this a joke?
It creates one facility, in the arctic region (WTF?), to research methods to save species. There are no limits to how the facility may be used. The fourth clause is meaningless.
NewCalifornia-Republic wrote:Yes but its all good preserving the gene pool, but this would be a high target for terrorists, so there must be a plan in place to defend the research facilities, so I for one, am willing to commit 20% of the N.C.R combat forces to the defence of the stations, if there is to be some sort of joint security operation to protect them, I am now changing my vote from 'against' to 'for'.
Warzone Codger wrote:Well this is surely an interesting voting spilt.
You've beaten all 5 Feeders, XKI, Region Inc, Capitalist Paradise, (and edit: Gatesville) (the latter 4 being user regions who have more endos than one feeder) ALL voting against.
Intellect and the Arts wrote:Have you ever considered that there exist perspectives other than your own and equally as valid, or do you claim infallible omniscience by virtue of the houseboat you lovingly inhabit on de Nial?
by The Associated Peoples » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:58 pm
Buried Plows wrote:I say there is nothing that can be wrong with safeguards against one nations protection, and the protection of other nations that could have potential spillover from the devastated first nation. It provides a rich and stimulating learning, and educational opportunity for our scientists as they study and do their research. This proposal is sound, ethical, and does not mistreat life nor the sovereignty of other nations.
Warzone Codger wrote:Well this is surely an interesting voting spilt.
You've beaten all 5 Feeders, XKI, Region Inc, Capitalist Paradise, (and edit: Gatesville) (the latter 4 being user regions who have more endos than one feeder) ALL voting against.
Intellect and the Arts wrote:Have you ever considered that there exist perspectives other than your own and equally as valid, or do you claim infallible omniscience by virtue of the houseboat you lovingly inhabit on de Nial?
by Glen-Rhodes » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:11 pm
Darenjo wrote:You have got to be kidding me. This is not only overstepping the WA's bounds, it's totally and utterly pointless.
by Just Guy » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:27 pm
I. AUTHORIZES the creation of the Extinction Preparation Research Facility (EPRF).
a.) The facility will be located in a neutral World Assembly controlled territory. Ideally, in an arctic region well above sea level, with little to no seismic activity, to minimize the danger of damage due to electrical failure, flooding or structural damage.
b.) The facility is to be staffed, constructed and maintained by the World Assembly Scientific Programme (WASP).
c.) Member nations may use this facility freely, while non-member nations may use it for a nominal fee, which will provide additional funding for upkeep.
IV. REQUIRES acceptable preservation methods to be observed.
by Darenjo » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:32 pm
Glen-Rhodes wrote:Darenjo wrote:You have got to be kidding me. This is not only overstepping the WA's bounds, it's totally and utterly pointless.
The "WA's bounds" are either getting smaller by the day, to the point of nonexistence, or there is a serious misunderstanding of what the "WA's bounds" are in the first place...
by Glen-Rhodes » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:41 pm
Darenjo wrote:I seriously think the WA regulars (which I don't know if I'd count) need to have an invite-only conference or something on this. At least to make sure stupid proposals like this don't hit the floor.
by The Associated Peoples » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:58 pm
Just Guy wrote:I. AUTHORIZES the creation of the Extinction Preparation Research Facility (EPRF).
a.) The facility will be located in a neutral World Assembly controlled territory. Ideally, in an arctic region well above sea level, with little to no seismic activity, to minimize the danger of damage due to electrical failure, flooding or structural damage.
b.) The facility is to be staffed, constructed and maintained by the World Assembly Scientific Programme (WASP).
c.) Member nations may use this facility freely, while non-member nations may use it for a nominal fee, which will provide additional funding for upkeep.
Clearly only refers to one facility.
Also, as far as we are aware, 'arctic' (as a region) only means the region around Earth's north-pole, and does not include regions in which the climate is arctic.IV. REQUIRES acceptable preservation methods to be observed.
This is so vague it can't be enforced. What's an acceptable preservation method? Acceptable to whom?
Darenjo wrote:
I seriously think the WA regulars (which I don't know if I'd count) need to have an invite-only conference or something on this. At least to make sure stupid proposals like this don't hit the floor.
please Just Guy vote no...please Just Guy vote no...
Warzone Codger wrote:Well this is surely an interesting voting spilt.
You've beaten all 5 Feeders, XKI, Region Inc, Capitalist Paradise, (and edit: Gatesville) (the latter 4 being user regions who have more endos than one feeder) ALL voting against.
Intellect and the Arts wrote:Have you ever considered that there exist perspectives other than your own and equally as valid, or do you claim infallible omniscience by virtue of the houseboat you lovingly inhabit on de Nial?
by The Coyote Coalition » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:00 pm
Just Guy wrote:I. AUTHORIZES the creation of the Extinction Preparation Research Facility (EPRF).
a.) The facility will be located in a neutral World Assembly controlled territory. Ideally, in an arctic region well above sea level, with little to no seismic activity, to minimize the danger of damage due to electrical failure, flooding or structural damage.
b.) The facility is to be staffed, constructed and maintained by the World Assembly Scientific Programme (WASP).
c.) Member nations may use this facility freely, while non-member nations may use it for a nominal fee, which will provide additional funding for upkeep.
Clearly only refers to one facility.
Also, as far as we are aware, 'arctic' (as a region) only means the region around Earth's north-pole, and does not include regions in which the climate is arctic.IV. REQUIRES acceptable preservation methods to be observed.
This is so vague it can't be enforced. What's an acceptable preservation method? Acceptable to whom?
The Coyote Coalition wrote:We had considered multiple facilities, although, there were concerns about scale. Robert and I decided that complaints might crop up concerning even more extensive use of World Assembly territory and, considering the complaints (flippant or otherwise) of those opposed involving the exact nature of the land we intended the World Assembly to implement, it seems it may not have been an incorrect decision. I do agree with you, though, but compromises often have to be made.
Concerning the seedbank, we simply didn't want to step on anyone's toes when it came to past resolutions. We were also concerned with the dreaded legality issues that often get brought up.
I've also noticed concerns about how vague the issues seems to be and I thought I'd address them here. For example, initially, the proposal looked more like this at points:
IV. REQUIRES acceptable storage methods to be observed.
a.) Seeds are to be stored in four-ply, sealed envelopes and placed into plastic tote containers on metal shelving racks. The storage rooms are to be kept at −18°C (−0°F).
b.) Saplings are to be kept in nurseries.
c.) Genetic animal materials are to be stored through the process of cryopreservation, including the use of cryoprotectants at a temperature of 77 K or −196°C.
It was brought to our attention that more advanced methods might exist throughout the World Assembly and we ought to be somewhat vague on those accounts. (OOC: Considering many nations in NationStates have methods far beyond those of what's we're capable of in the real world.)
by The Associated Peoples » Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:09 pm
Just Guy wrote:You haven't responded to any of my arguments...
Warzone Codger wrote:Well this is surely an interesting voting spilt.
You've beaten all 5 Feeders, XKI, Region Inc, Capitalist Paradise, (and edit: Gatesville) (the latter 4 being user regions who have more endos than one feeder) ALL voting against.
Intellect and the Arts wrote:Have you ever considered that there exist perspectives other than your own and equally as valid, or do you claim infallible omniscience by virtue of the houseboat you lovingly inhabit on de Nial?
by The Coyote Coalition » Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:13 pm
Just Guy wrote:You haven't responded to any of my arguments...
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