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by Omigodtheykilledkenny » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:13 pm
by Goobergunchia » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:23 pm
by Mexar » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:34 pm
by Goobergunchia » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:02 pm
by Mad Sheep Railgun » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:56 pm
by Vinoslavia » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:33 pm
by Federal Angola » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:56 pm
Vinoslavia wrote:It's gonna pass and it's pathetic.
by Omega Uliza » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:11 pm
Federal Angola wrote:Vinoslavia wrote:It's gonna pass and it's pathetic.
Those who have been natives of Brlgium deserve the right to have there homeland back. The threat of abuse with liberation from the WA should not take away from the fact that they deserve access back into there region. Mencer and Macedonia should have forseen something like this comming, AND if anything when this resolution passes, a new legislation should be drawn up limiting the amount of times the WA can liberate regions.
by Consadia » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:13 pm
by Kapellen » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:57 pm
by Sanctaria » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:10 pm
by New Xania » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:22 pm
by Sanctaria » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:29 pm
New Security Council resolution category: Liberation
This would allow a nominated region to be "liberated:" if passed as a WA resolution, the region's password (if any) is removed, and the region cannot activate password protection so long as the resolution stands.
by New Rockport » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:29 pm
New Xania wrote:Before I vote tell me how this works. Is there some kind of massive invasion to liberate it? Do we simply tell them "Give Belgium back to the Belgians"? How does the whole liberating process occur?
by New Xania » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:36 pm
by Kandarin » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:45 pm
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Words cannot express just how much I don't care about this crap. What Macedon did to Belgium was scummy, but entirely legal. It is not the World Assembly's job to even the score. Passing this will do nothing else but encourage a host of defenders to submit their own "Liberation" requests, no matter how frivolous or false the charges are, or pointless the purpose (see the "Liberate Belarus" thread) -- and if TannerFrankLand's NAZI EUROPE shenanigan is any indication, flagrant abuse of this category as well. "My former region wasn't nice to me waaah - oh, I know - LIBERATE!!!" This has got to be the worst idea in NationStates history. And coming from the game that brought you C&Cs, that's saying something.
I wish I remember who wrote:Games like Nationstates are like a big cardboard box, and there are two kinds of people in the world. The kind who look at the empty void inside the box and ask "Where the hell is it?" and the kind who jump into the box with their friends and make it into a fort, or a spaceship.
by Kapellen » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:49 pm
New Xania wrote:Before I vote tell me how this works. Is there some kind of massive invasion to liberate it? Do we simply tell them "Give Belgium back to the Belgians"? How does the whole liberating process occur?
by Unibot » Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:25 pm
In a few days, the NS Belgium will be like the real Belgium: two communities, on bad terms, forced to live with each other for the time being, speaking different languages (Dutch-Macedonian), both feeling they don't get the respect they deserve.
Vocenae wrote:Unibot, you have won NS.
by Aidsboat » Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:39 pm
by Goobergunchia » Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:46 pm
by StCharles West Apts » Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:24 pm
Goobergunchia wrote:It is true that the offense of Region Griefing has been abolished. However, some of us view actions that would have been previously characterized as Region Griefing to be reprehensible even if they are now legal.
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Retired Officer, Nasicournia
by Kandarin » Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:01 pm
Aidsboat wrote:Invasion Greifing apparently does not exist. Not trying to start anything, just saying.
I wish I remember who wrote:Games like Nationstates are like a big cardboard box, and there are two kinds of people in the world. The kind who look at the empty void inside the box and ask "Where the hell is it?" and the kind who jump into the box with their friends and make it into a fort, or a spaceship.
by Millwardistan » Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:30 pm
by Vinoslavia » Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:46 am
by Bears Armed » Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:53 am
Omega Uliza wrote:Federal Angola wrote:Vinoslavia wrote:It's gonna pass and it's pathetic.
Those who have been natives of Brlgium deserve the right to have there homeland back. The threat of abuse with liberation from the WA should not take away from the fact that they deserve access back into there region. Mencer and Macedonia should have forseen something like this comming, AND if anything when this resolution passes, a new legislation should be drawn up limiting the amount of times the WA can liberate regions.
We simulate what the real world is like non? In the very least, we try to rule nations as we see fit. Is that not correct? Is that not why we play this game?
I for one, find it amusing that the WA will allow this to go through. If men and women had the right to their homeland, then we wouldn't see a United States of America. We wouldn't see a Greece or a Belgium. After all, these nations in the real world originally belonged to someone else. Belgium in the real world used to be a part of the Netherlands. They both once belonged to Spain. The regions themselves once belonged to the Romans. Who through the ever victorious till his death on March 15th, Julius Caesar, conquered it from the Gauls. What I'm saying is actually quite clear.
History moves forward with or without nations. One day, even my little Omega Uliza will fade into history. One day, your nations will fade into history. A footnote. Maybe a paragraph? If you're lucky...a page or a chapter.
The act of conquering, to eject a previous government in the notion that you deserve to rule this land, is despicable. We loathe it. We hate it. We spit on it's name. But it is the machine of time. Major changes and progressions of mankind are made in a large part because of conquest.
When the Jews lost Israel, where were they to go? Europe ejected them from their nations en masse for over a millenia. The few nations kind to them, were swallowed whole....by conquest.
I neither support nor decline this proposal, because if it fails, it means the act of conquest is inherently right. If it succeeds, it shall mean that the act of conquest...is inherently right. That is the purpose of this proposal is it not? You don't believe that Macedon should rule this region, so you're trying to eject the government and install your own.
I see only conquest when you speak of "liberty".
The point that you're missing is that Belgium isn't rightfully the Macedonians' region, it's one that they stole from its former residents.Vinoslavia wrote:I think people have a right to password their regions if they see fit. Players might just want a region with their friends and so would naturally put in place a password system. All this bill is going to encourage is people lying about some sort of invasion or conquest in order to get into a region which does not want them (probably to cause trouble). If this bill passes then they may as well remove the option to password a region. Because it will effectively be defunct.
Oh really? So when was the last time that you saw a player lose control of a nation because of an election result within it going against their regime?Vinoslavia wrote:a game which seeks to encapsulate all aspects of the real governing of countries.
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