[PASSED] Commend Tim-Opolis

[WayNeacTia]

I will say, for all the commendee's rightful lampooning of what he deems "rightoids", he and his clique certainly favor their playbook against those that criticize him.

It got Donald Trump elected didn't it? Why mess with what works?

[RemiorKami]

I will say, for all the commendee's rightful lampooning of what he deems "rightoids", he and his clique certainly favor their playbook against those that criticize him.

It got Donald Trump elected didn't it? Why mess with what works?

It didn't work the second time...

[Miravana]

It is irrefutable the work Tim has done for defending and Spiritus has made him more than worthy of a Commend badge. For, and sad I wasn't around earlier to announce my support. Not like this proposal needed it

[Hulldom]

Full support for this by the way. Hard not to see Tim as one of the most impactful players of NS in recent years....and arguably the last decade anyways.

[Pallaith]

We stan our Spudly god gamer Potato general Tim.

[RiderSyl]

We stan our Spudly god gamer Potato general Tim.

cringe but TNP has a history of stanning manipulators. y'all should just make him an admin there and complete the symmetry

It is irrefutable the work Tim has done for defending and Spiritus has made him more than worthy of a Commend badge. For, and sad I wasn't around earlier to announce my support. Not like this proposal needed it

they won't Condemn you

[Miravana]

they won't Condemn you

I have been vocal in my opposition to the notion some players hold regarding Condemnations. However, even if that idea were to be popular enough to prevent the condemnation of worthy raiders (See Condemn Jo and Condemn Lily) I wouldn't change my stance on Tim being commendable due to petty spiteful feelings. Tim is a commendable nation, I don't really give a shit if people think I'm Condemnable or not

[Quebecshire]

Thank you to everyone who was voiced or voted in support so far, it's very appreciated!

[RiderSyl]

they won't Condemn you

I have been vocal in my opposition to the notion some players hold regarding Condemnations. However, even if that idea were to be popular enough to prevent the condemnation of worthy raiders (See Condemn Jo and Condemn Lily) I wouldn't change my stance on Tim being commendable due to petty spiteful feelings. Tim is a commendable nation, I don't really give a shit if people think I'm Condemnable or not

Oh, so it's not about politics for you. You're just a high-ranking raider placing in-game achievements over character issues. Okay 'den.

[Quebecshire]

I thought comparisons to DEN were toxic and uncalled for.

Oh yeah, something something rules for thee not for me.

[Numero Capitan]

The idea that this commendation is the final infinity stone that Tim needs to rain down a horrific potato-less hellfire on NS is a heartwarming visual, thanks Syl.

[RiderSyl]

I thought comparisons to DEN were toxic and uncalled for.

Oh yeah, something something rules for thee not for me.

Perfect example of how Tim and his clique act right here. I've spoken to Quebecshire in DMs about this very idea, that comparisons to DEN are toxic and uncalled for. I already established to him that while I once thought these comparisons were uncalled for, I don't believe that any longer. Now that I've made another DEN comparison, Quebecshire acts like that conversation never took place, because reality gets in the way of points-scoring.

And these people had the gall to say I'm acting in bad faith here.

The idea that this commendation is the final infinity stone that Tim needs to rain down a horrific potato-less hellfire on NS is a heartwarming visual, thanks Syl.

If we're going to make Thanos comparisons, this is more like the Avengers finding Thanos after he'd snapped half of existence away and presenting him with an award instead of chopping his head off.

[Haganham]

I don't think Tim is a commendable nominee. Yes he has done all the things that warrant commendation, but he lacks the character. People who are commended ought to be more then those who've contributed, or accomplished a lot in nationstate. Commendations are a literal mark of approval. A message saying that "these are the sorts of players and region who you should look up to and emulate". I'm not going to pretend Tim is some sort of monster, but he is not one of those people.

My first interaction with Tim was when we were heros of Greece, immediately following it's refounding. And I observed as Tim resisted native calls to hand off the founder to their chosen candidate. It was the first instance I experienced of Tim using his position within the defending sphere to hold a RL named region from it's natives, but not the last. While I never again worked with Tim in R/D every time I was called to defend a RL region from "defenders" he was involved.

I later observed as Tim and his allies drove one of my friends off the site, and another into... whatever we call the NS wide equivalent to ... armchair existing. Anyway the site is poorer for their absence, and it is an absence that was perpetrated purely out of spite.

And finally I was a member of Tim's Nday faction, largely due to my previous role in Canopy when they joined. The last Nday, because Tim decided to boot most of the smaller regions from the faction, and I was informed of this a mere 5 days before the event started, and missed out on a good 5 weeks of planning, and he did this while using my guide for his own faction without permission(the last of which was admittedly an accident and shouldn't be held against him, but still stung. like getting uninvited from the party and coming home to find they took your booze). Still I could forgive all that, if not for the fact that this also broke Canopies record of finishing the event without radiation.

[Platoon of Peace]

I thought comparisons to DEN were toxic and uncalled for.

Oh yeah, something something rules for thee not for me.

Perfect example of how Tim and his clique act right here. I've spoken to Quebecshire in DMs about this very idea, that comparisons to DEN are toxic and uncalled for. I already established to him that while I once thought these comparisons were uncalled for, I don't believe that any longer. Now that I've made another DEN comparison, Quebecshire acts like that conversation never took place, because reality gets in the way of points-scoring.

And these people had the gall to say I'm acting in bad faith here.

The idea that this commendation is the final infinity stone that Tim needs to rain down a horrific potato-less hellfire on NS is a heartwarming visual, thanks Syl.

If we're going to make Thanos comparisons, this is more like the Avengers finding Thanos after he'd snapped half of existence away and presenting him with an award instead of chopping his head off.

Dude, I know I haven't been here that long, and I don't really like Tim, but there is no way in hell that tim did stuff so bad that it can be compared to thanos snapping half the universe.

[RiderSyl]

Dude, I know I haven't been here that long, and I don't really like Tim, but there is no way in hell that tim did stuff so bad that it can be compared to thanos snapping half the universe.

I apologize to all of Thanos's victims, clearly my post affected them deeply.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

"Toxic and uncalled for" describes the language that far too many Gameplay related posts are written in imho, regardless of their authors' position on a particular issue or resolution.

[RiderSyl]

I later observed as Tim and his allies drove one of my friends off the site, and another into... whatever we call the NS wide equivalent to ... armchair existing. Anyway the site is poorer for their absence, and it is an absence that was perpetrated purely out of spite.

I'm sorry to hear that, but it is all too familiar. The amount of people that Tim and his clique have driven off the site or into near-total avoidance is staggering, and it's always done out of spite. I use the word "clique" rather than ally, because he's done it to his own allies too.
Honestly, it's Lord Ravenclaw 2.0 - and it'll end the same way.

[RiderSyl]

Also, defenders Repealing Condemn Koth with "he may be heavily accomplished but his conduct can't be ignored" and then turning around and Commending Tim with "he's heavily accomplished so his conduct can be ignored" is some of the most Mitch McConnell-ass shit I've ever seen in the Security Council.

[Quebecshire]

And finally I was a member of Tim's Nday faction, largely due to my previous role in Canopy when they joined. The last Nday, because Tim decided to boot most of the smaller regions from the faction, and I was informed of this a mere 5 days before the event started, and missed out on a good 5 weeks of planning, and he did this while using my guide for his own faction without permission(the last of which was admittedly an accident and shouldn't be held against him, but still stung. like getting uninvited from the party and coming home to find they took your booze). Still I could forgive all that, if not for the fact that this also broke Canopies record of finishing the event without radiation.

I don't really care about the other salt and bickering, but as someone who was in the command rooms during this, it's pretty dishonest. The decision to down-size was made by both mega-factions. It is our bad that Palatine wasn't directly informed, but to pretend Tim alone was responsible for the down-sizing as some ploy to boot smaller regions is ridiculous and bitter.

Speaking of the guide, CARD also used a guide inspired by yours, I believe? Even so, as I understand it, your guide was adapted to Potato when Canopy largely joined it. We then continued using it, since it was pre-existing Potato material as we understood it. It's ironic you complain about us not informing you of the down-sizing quickly enough, you used this to strong-arm us into an NAP with Palatine at the absolute last minute just days before the event.

You're well within your right to request your guide is no longer used if you're no longer in Potato, but to pretend we kicked you to the curb at Tim's behest and attempted to continue to use your resources is completely detached from reality. We, the same as CoTA, engaged in good-faith downsizing and continued to use what we understood to be Potato materials at the time.

If you're gonna be mad at Tim and bitter, at least keep it about vague things or a skewed retelling of a refound in 2017, and a twisted version of one half of a story about an N-Day of all things.

[Quebecshire]

Also, defenders Repealing Condemn Koth with "he may be heavily accomplished but his conduct can't be ignored" and then turning around and Commending Tim with "he's heavily accomplished so his conduct can be ignored" is some of the most Mitch McConnell-ass shit I've ever seen in the Security Council.

Not really sure what this means - At least in my case, I supported Repeal Condemn Koth for political reasons (IC) and was open about that. I certainly don't recall defenders comparing Koth to Raven/Unibot/Block (such comparisons, at least how you've done them, being OOC, clearly) in his repeal thread as a justification for repealing his badge... because that's ridiculous.

What was it you said earlier? Oh yes, reality often gets in the way of points scoring.

[The North Polish Union]

As someone who was involved quite a bit in working with some of the natives of Greece years ago (particularly Nikolaos-something, its been too long to remember the exact name and to the best of my knowledge he's left the site), Haganhamn's assessment of what happened in Greece is not substantially incorrect.

Its a bit sad to me that Greece shook out in such a way that no meaningful community has been able to (re)establish themselves there.

In some ways it seems like Greece today is being administered more like a trophy region than anything else. Its not as if Tim would even have to significantly recruit or even give up the founder nation; just allowing the nations in the region some level of agency in how the region functions, similar to what Vandoosa has done with Slavija.

There was in the past some pretty heated debate behind the scenes about how the situation in Greece should be handled. I myself sparred quite frequently with Karpathos over it and that sometimes spilled-over publically. Although Karpathos had passed away well-before Greece was refounded in retrospect I would've greatly preferred his vision than the stagnation that has occurred.

I'm trying to avoid sounding like too many sour grapes here, but while Tim's refounding of Greece was a stellar GP operation and was rightfully included in this proposal, his administration of the region since then has done the legacy of that achievement few favors.

[RiderSyl]

Also, defenders Repealing Condemn Koth with "he may be heavily accomplished but his conduct can't be ignored" and then turning around and Commending Tim with "he's heavily accomplished so his conduct can be ignored" is some of the most Mitch McConnell-ass shit I've ever seen in the Security Council.

Not really sure what this means - At least in my case, I supported Repeal Condemn Koth for political reasons (IC) and was open about that. I certainly don't recall defenders comparing Koth to Raven/Unibot/Block (such comparisons, at least how you've done them, being OOC, clearly) in his repeal thread as a justification for repealing his badge... because that's ridiculous.

What was it you said earlier? Oh yes, reality often gets in the way of points scoring.

Earlier, you remembered exactly what kind of comparison Koth garnered in his repeal thread, when you felt like calling me out for my past opinion on it. You must have had a rough 3 hours to suddenly forget that.

I thought comparisons to DEN were toxic and uncalled for.

Honestly Quebec, if you're going to argue in bad faith like this, do it better than this.

[Quebecshire]

As someone who was involved quite a bit in working with some of the natives of Greece years ago (particularly Nikolaos-something, its been too long to remember the exact name and to the best of my knowledge he's left the site), Haganhamn's assessment of what happened in Greece is not substantially incorrect.

Its a bit sad to me that Greece shook out in such a way that no meaningful community has been able to (re)establish themselves there.

In some ways it seems like Greece today is being administered more like a trophy region than anything else. Its not as if Tim would even have to significantly recruit or even give up the founder nation; just allowing the nations in the region some level of agency in how the region functions, similar to what Vandoosa has done with Slavija.

There was in the past some pretty heated debate behind the scenes about how the situation in Greece should be handled. I myself sparred quite frequently with Karpathos over it and that sometimes spilled-over publically. Although Karpathos had passed away well-before Greece was refounded in retrospect I would've greatly preferred his vision than the stagnation that has occurred.

I'm trying to avoid sounding like too many sour grapes here, but while Tim's refounding of Greece was a stellar GP operation and was rightfully included in this proposal, his administration of the region since then has done the legacy of that achievement few favors.

Tim is not the Founder of Greece. It was given to natives a long time ago.

I think that addresses all I need to in terms of how much you know about what goes on there.

[RiderSyl]

I can't speak to this Greece situation, but I'm definitely not going to take the author's word for it. Is there someone with less bias regarding Tim that could confirm or debunk Haganham and NPU's claims that Greece's founder nation was kept by the commendee? I'd love to take it at face value, but I only speak ill of people when I'm confident in the veracity of what I'm saying.

[Fort Concord]

Ultimately it doesn’t matter whether you believe me or not, so *shrug*

I suspect your and NPU’s words have had no impact whatsoever on the vote to give Tim his well earned commend, and that’s what I’m here to care about