[Passed] Anti Cyberterrorism Act

[Ainocra]

All this worry about a ban on cyber warfare is ridiculous and unfounded. Please read the transcripts of the debate before it went to vote, where such concerns had already been dispelled. If you consider 'sub-national groups or agents' to include your own nation's military, that is your own problem, not the resolution's. Also, please stop leaving notes in my office about the vote: I'm not going to switch it.

- Dr. B. Castro

If it gets to that point, it may be interesting.

OOC: If it gets to that point, it may be trolling.

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OOC Definition time! from multiple sources including the font of all internet wizdum Wikipedia English - The Free Encyclopedia

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Sub-National
adj. at a level below the national level; regional or local.

Most countries with a federal constitution are made up of a number of political divisions that are subnational entities called states or provinces, as contrasted with nation states.
In many cases, these are creations of the national government, rather than sovereign states or Administrative divisions. In other cases, as with the U.S. states, the national government arose from a union of the states, which delegated some of their sovereignty to the national government, while retaining the remaining part of their sovereignty. They are sometimes called federal states.
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This resolution would do nothing to stop individuals, or groups from engaging in such actions. it merely forces local and national governments to refrain from actions that this resolution defines as cyber terrorism.

I am sick of repeating myself. This is clearly a flawed attempt at legislation and needs to be fixed.

[Okupas]

Honoured ambassador, I must defend that this resolution does not intentionally condone or promote spying. Under this resolution, member states are able to only share the information that is absolutely necessary if they wish, for example, when a suspect is on trial for cyberterrorism. It is quite innovative that privacy has been given serious attention in respect to resolving an area of international crime, at least it is better than not advising member states to respect privacy at all, which would result in more complaints about it.

Yours etc,

I admire the attempt to respect privacy in these matters and as such accept that it is both innovative and effective; however, our previous point still stands. It puts legislative pressure on nations who would rather not take measures upon the issue. While this is not forceful and is quite respectful as you have said, we fear it may still create friction among communities who have suffered attacks who wish to have information from non compliant nations. The ability to point out that the non compliant nation is going not only against the will of the victim nation but also the sentiment of the WA could exacerbate the problem.

[Glen-Rhodes]

I am sick of repeating myself. This is clearly a flawed attempt at legislation and needs to be fixed.

Or, as I told the Nullarni delegation, you can go ahead and subscribe to the obvious meaning of 'subnational groups or agents' (that is, terrorists, either supported by or independent from the state), instead of purposefully and unnecessarily weakening your own national militias, which are not and never were targeted by this resolution. If the state of Ainocra is so incompetent as to not realize when they are capable of interpreting international law, then I think the World Assembly is going to continue to be a very meddlesome organization for them to belong to.

- Dr. B. Castro

[Ainocra]

I am sick of repeating myself. This is clearly a flawed attempt at legislation and needs to be fixed.

Or, as I told the Nullarni delegation, you can go ahead and subscribe to the obvious meaning of 'subnational groups or agents' (that is, terrorists, either supported by or independent from the state), instead of purposefully and unnecessarily weakening your own national militias, which are not and never were targeted by this resolution. If the state of Ainocra is so incompetent as to not realize when they are capable of interpreting international law, then I think the World Assembly is going to continue to be a very meddlesome organization for them to belong to.

- Dr. B. Castro

Then that needs to be explicitly spelled out. Thank you for making my point so nicely

[Manticore Reborn]

Then that needs to be explicitly spelled out. Thank you for making my point so nicely

Although my government generally agrees that legal definitions should be spelled out as explicitly as possible, the intent of said terms must also be taken into account. As having brought up this very issue during the drafting debate, the Kingdom of Manticore Reborn must agree that the intent of the term sub-national should weigh more heavily then any specific definition.

[Glen-Rhodes]

Then that needs to be explicitly spelled out. Thank you for making my point so nicely.

Would that point be that the Ainocra government is incapable of governing itself? Interpretation is a necessary skill in the World Assembly. Not everything is going to be black and white. It's clear, however, that the target is not national militias, and it is clear that nations can either choose to interpret it that way, or to willfully harm their own domestic security.

- Dr. B. Castro

[Ainocra]

Then that needs to be explicitly spelled out. Thank you for making my point so nicely

Although my government generally agrees that legal definitions should be spelled out as explicitly as possible, the intent of said terms must also be taken into account. As having brought up this very issue during the drafting debate, the Kingdom of Manticore Reborn must agree that the intent of the term sub-national should weigh more heavily then any specific definition.

Unfortunately thats not how law works. Ever hear the phrase "Letter of the law"?
Intent must be spelled out unambigiously. I will concede that this resolution has noble intent. However the letter of the law leaves no room for such interpretation.

This is why this is a flawed resolution and needs to be fixed before being allowed to proceed.

[Ainocra]

Then that needs to be explicitly spelled out. Thank you for making my point so nicely.

Would that point be that the Ainocra government is incapable of governing itself? Interpretation is a necessary skill in the World Assembly. Not everything is going to be black and white. It's clear, however, that the target is not national militias, and it is clear that nations can either choose to interpret it that way, or to willfully harm their own domestic security.

- Dr. B. Castro

No mister Castro, I feel that YOU are incapable of running Ainocra.

[Glen-Rhodes]

However the letter of the law leaves no room for such interpretation.

I would agree with you if 'subnational groups or agents' was a defined phrase, but it's not. So, when this passes, your government will have the fun task of interpreting language! If that's too difficult, I suppose you can just copy whatever law is enacted in Glen-Rhodes. We certainly won't be banning cyber warfare.

- Dr. B. Castro

[The Animals of Liberty]

I would agree with you if 'subnational groups or agents' was a defined phrase, but it's not. So, when this passes, your government will have the fun task of interpreting language! If that's too difficult, I suppose you can just copy whatever law is enacted in Glen-Rhodes. We certainly won't be banning cyber warfare.

Exactly! Neither will we, as "cyber-warfare" is permissible in the "explicit language" of this proposal. "Sub-national groups or agents" is clear enough; up for interpretation, as they say in the Animals of Liberty (as well as many other nations). We want the ability to interpret laws our own way, not them spelled out!

OOC: Without law interpretation, what would the United States Supreme Court exist for?

[Flibbleites]

OOC: Without law interpretation, what would the United States Supreme Court exist for?

OOC: To give 9 people the excuse to wear funny robes in public.

[Ainocra]

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there is no WA court system, in my view this means that there is no wiggle room in laws. don't the gnomes force us into the laws the second they pass? These gnomes don't seem very forgiving to me.

I still say it needs to be made more clear.

IC

*Slowly and menacingly reaches into his coat*

*produces a flask, unscrews the lid and deliberately takes a slow sip.*

"This thing is loaded, don't make me use it."

[American Capitalist]

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there is no WA court system, in my view this means that there is no wiggle room in laws. don't the gnomes force us into the laws the second they pass? These gnomes don't seem very forgiving to me.

I still say it needs to be made more clear.

IC

*Slowly and menacingly reaches into his coat*

*produces a flask, unscrews the lid and deliberately takes a slow sip.*

"This thing is loaded, don't make me use it."

Go right ahead and kill yourself I really don't care in fact I would prefer you did it just to show how much of a whiny brat you are when something doesn't go your way.

[The Animals of Liberty]

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there is no WA court system, in my view this means that there is no wiggle room in laws. don't the gnomes force us into the laws the second they pass? These gnomes don't seem very forgiving to me.

I still say it needs to be made more clear.

The point many of us are trying to make is YOU can interpret the law if it allows "wiggle room," which this one does. Have a splendid day, and enjoy your interpreting of the soon-to-be law in four hours.

[Unibot]

I thought the 3WB only blocks SC proposals.

There have been rumblings that if their "demands" aren't met that they may move their opposition tactics to the General Assembly as well.

If it gets to that point, it may be interesting.

It's highly unlikely, one of the reasons the 3WB hasn't expanded to the GA yet is my 'ultimatum', and the other reason resides in Europe.

[Vescia]

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there is no WA court system, in my view this means that there is no wiggle room in laws. don't the gnomes force us into the laws the second they pass? These gnomes don't seem very forgiving to me.

I still say it needs to be made more clear.

IC

*Slowly and menacingly reaches into his coat*

*produces a flask, unscrews the lid and deliberately takes a slow sip.*

"This thing is loaded, don't make me use it."

Go right ahead and kill yourself I really don't care in fact I would prefer you did it just to show how much of a whiny brat you are when something doesn't go your way.

OOC: I believe that this is flaming, which is the online use of inappropriate or offensive language. This is not the place to do so. /Notamod

[Ainocra]

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there is no WA court system, in my view this means that there is no wiggle room in laws. don't the gnomes force us into the laws the second they pass? These gnomes don't seem very forgiving to me.

I still say it needs to be made more clear.

IC

*Slowly and menacingly reaches into his coat*

*produces a flask, unscrews the lid and deliberately takes a slow sip.*

"This thing is loaded, don't make me use it."

Go right ahead and kill yourself I really don't care in fact I would prefer you did it just to show how much of a whiny brat you are when something doesn't go your way.

I Excuse you young troll.

*pats you on the head*

[NERVUN]

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there is no WA court system, in my view this means that there is no wiggle room in laws. don't the gnomes force us into the laws the second they pass? These gnomes don't seem very forgiving to me.

I still say it needs to be made more clear.

IC

*Slowly and menacingly reaches into his coat*

*produces a flask, unscrews the lid and deliberately takes a slow sip.*

"This thing is loaded, don't make me use it."

Go right ahead and kill yourself I really don't care in fact I would prefer you did it just to show how much of a whiny brat you are when something doesn't go your way.

Ya know... even as an IC comment, that goes way over the line. *** Warned for flaming ***. Even IC doesn't excuse this kind of behavior.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

Moving on, the resolution "Anti Cyberterrorism Act" is now officially the 100th GA Resolution.

[Manticore Reborn]

Moving on, the resolution "Anti Cyberterrorism Act" is now officially the 100th GA Resolution.

Congratulations to the author(s) of this fine piece of legislation.

[The Animals of Liberty]

Moving on, the resolution "Anti Cyberterrorism Act" is now officially the 100th GA Resolution.

Congratulations to the author(s) of this fine piece of legislation.

And the voters who voted FOR.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

Honoured ambassadors, I am pretty honoured today to have given my 2-year old expertise to help someone write their very first resolution and also have the honour of reaching the historic milestone at the same time. I can really feel the delight of successfully raising a new talent amid a blip in the closing hours of the debate this morning, but I hope that as days go by, I hope to see ambassadors be more courteous and respectful to each other. Well, this is what I always try to aim when I communicate with honoured ambassadors, with a bit of humour.



It was a very tight vote with the resulting majority of less than than 400 but in the end I am hopeful that I will have achieved something if the honoured ambassador from American Capitalist went on to write wonderful resolutions as our familiar faces, past and present have done for years, even before the WA came into existence. It is important to remember that once upon a time we were all newcomers, then as time progressed we went on to write better and better resolutions. The quality of this august assembly has survived the 1 April 2008 relaunch virtually intact and I hope that the great quality of recent WA resolutions will continue, as the familiar faces and new talents work together to improve the world.

This is what I love to see: everyone having an opportunity to have their say in the assembly and the honoured ambassador from American Capitalist had a proposal of merit, and something I could not miss. If we could all lend a helping hand to new talents for ideas of merit, then we would become renowned for the great positive community spirit of the NationStates World Assembly.

Yours, with honour,

[Nullarni]

As being part of the opposition I must say congratulations on your win. Besides the one issue I think its good legislation.

[American Capitalist]

As being part of the opposition I must say congratulations on your win. Besides the one issue I think its good legislation.

I would like to say thank you I'm slightly regretful that I didn't go into more detail with this resolution how ever I still stand by it and am glad it passed.

[Kom o Hjalp]

At this particular moment in time, the Imperial Federation of Chrinthanium would have to vote against this measure. We believe that, as it stands, it would allow governments to grossly violate the privacy rights of their citizens. Now, if it were to include the limits to which the monitoring could occur, and those limits aren't broad and all encompassing, then we can be persuaded to vote in its favor. We believe the right of the citizen to be secure in his property against illegal search and seizure a very sacred right.

Risley M. Dramtree
Ambassador to the World Assembly
Imperial Federation of Chrinthanium

We, the people of The Disputed Territories of Kom o Halp, can only agree. Which is why we also voted against.