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by Captin Cookies America » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:30 pm
by Xoriet » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:34 pm
Captin Cookies America wrote:I JUST read the thing, and i'm shocked that it would be small to condemn them.
They are helping Nationstates!
If anything, they should choose someone to condemn!
I'm out.
by The Silver Sentinel » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:35 pm
Captin Cookies America wrote:I JUST read the thing, and i'm shocked that it would be small to condemn them.
They are helping Nationstates!
If anything, they should choose someone to condemn!
I'm out.
by We Are Not the NSA » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:47 pm
Captin Cookies America wrote:I JUST read the thing, and i'm shocked that it would be small to condemn them.
They are helping Nationstates!
If anything, they should choose someone to condemn!
I'm out.
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by Novaya Leviathan » Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:12 pm
by Candlewhisper Archive » Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:29 am
by Lady Selina Grey » Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:13 am
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Even if I were a member of groups 1 or 2 above (which I'm not), I'd be very hesitant to lend my vote to a cause supported by group 3. A defeat of this resolution will be held up as a victory for homophobes everywhere.
That's why I'm urging anyone who ISN'T a homphobe to avoid voting against this resolution. Abstain if you must, but please don't give the homophobes a victory by default.
Seriously, a Raider supporting the homophobic camp on this vote would be like someone who likes nice uniforms using that as a reason to be pro-Nazi. You have to look at the bigger picture of what you are supporting.
BearNation's promotion of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) equal rights throughout Nationstates,
[violet] wrote:Crazy girl wrote:But I like IE...it has all my cookies :(
But the only reason IE is even usable as a browser is because web people like me spend hours crying at our desks while we despoil our beautiful sites with IE-specific hacks and compromises. You don't want me to cry at my desk, do you? Do you?
by We Are Not the NSA » Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:24 am
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:3) Homophobes.
Seriously, a Raider supporting the homophobic camp on this vote would be like someone who likes nice uniforms using that as a reason to be pro-Nazi. You have to look at the bigger picture of what you are supporting.
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by Todd McCloud » Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:24 am
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Despite being a member of a Defender region, and pro-Defending, I don't think that it is right to put Raiders on the same list as fascists, homophobes, etc. Raider/defender is a gameplay alignment thing.
On the other hand, its clear from reading this thread that the anti-resolution vote block comprises of:
1) People who object to the technical detail of the wording
2) Raiders who don't like the anti-Raider bias of that nation
3) Homophobes.
Even if I were a member of groups 1 or 2 above (which I'm not), I'd be very hesitant to lend my vote to a cause supported by group 3. A defeat of this resolution will be held up as a victory for homophobes everywhere.
That's why I'm urging anyone who ISN'T a homphobe to avoid voting against this resolution. Abstain if you must, but please don't give the homophobes a victory by default.
Seriously, a Raider supporting the homophobic camp on this vote would be like someone who likes nice uniforms using that as a reason to be pro-Nazi. You have to look at the bigger picture of what you are supporting.
by Candlewhisper Archive » Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:34 am
by Candlewhisper Archive » Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:39 am
by Wallenburg » Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:26 am
By the claims of this resolution and my own investigation, I can safely conclude that BearNation has been a force for good within the Multiverse. This nation's commitment to progressive, egalitarian policy is admirable, and I can certainly applaud BearNation's lengthy history as a major figure within regions such as Gay and Philosophy 115. However, none of this nation's achievements strike me as particularly important or commendable, or exemplary in any way on the international stage. Certainly, BearNation is a model nation within the regions it has so greatly influenced, but the contributions outlined in this resolution show little to no impact on the Multiverse in general. Furthermore, the references to international news organizations and blogs is, in a word, underwhelming, as these news outlets--none of which most nations even know about--demonstrate no lasting, major impact on the Multiverse. Lastly, the format and structure of this resolution are uncomfortably informal.
While I recognize the good done by the nominated nation, I argue that these contributions to the international community are simply insufficient to merit a commendation by the World Assembly.
by The Silver Sentinel » Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:45 am
Wallenburg wrote:By the claims of this resolution and my own investigation, I can safely conclude that BearNation has been a force for good within the Multiverse. This nation's commitment to progressive, egalitarian policy is admirable, and I can certainly applaud BearNation's lengthy history as a major figure within regions such as Gay and Philosophy 115. However, none of this nation's achievements strike me as particularly important or commendable, or exemplary in any way on the international stage. Certainly, BearNation is a model nation within the regions it has so greatly influenced, but the contributions outlined in this resolution show little to no impact on the Multiverse in general. Furthermore, the references to international news organizations and blogs is, in a word, underwhelming, as these news outlets--none of which most nations even know about--demonstrate no lasting, major impact on the Multiverse. Lastly, the format and structure of this resolution are uncomfortably informal.
While I recognize the good done by the nominated nation, I argue that these contributions to the international community are simply insufficient to merit a commendation by the World Assembly.
by Mousebumples » Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:47 am
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:I've read the thread, and I agree that the majority of people posting here that are voting against this commendation are doing so for good, non-homophobic reasons. However, it also seems likely that there's a large and silent homophobic voting block that is propping up the vote against this commendation, who likely don't even visit these fora, and who likely will see the rejection of this commendation as a sign that they are part of the moral majority.
by Dark Commander » Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:39 pm
Mousebumples wrote:Candlewhisper Archive wrote:I've read the thread, and I agree that the majority of people posting here that are voting against this commendation are doing so for good, non-homophobic reasons. However, it also seems likely that there's a large and silent homophobic voting block that is propping up the vote against this commendation, who likely don't even visit these fora, and who likely will see the rejection of this commendation as a sign that they are part of the moral majority.
There's a long history of "follow the herd" voting in the WA. I doubt that there is a "loud, unspoken homophobic voting block" but instead people going, "Wow, this is getting voted down. There's probably a reason for that. I don't know what it is, but reading/investigating is hard. *votes against*"
I hope that BearNation does make changes to Gay's constitution in the future, as I feel that would be an action more worthy of commendation than what's listed in the present text.
by Vancouvia » Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:41 pm
by Todd McCloud » Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:21 pm
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:I've read the thread, and I agree that the majority of people posting here that are voting against this commendation are doing so for good, non-homophobic reasons. However, it also seems likely that there's a large and silent homophobic voting block that is propping up the vote against this commendation, who likely don't even visit these fora, and who likely will see the rejection of this commendation as a sign that they are part of the moral majority.
by Saint-Sebastian » Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:44 pm
by BearNation » Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:06 pm
by Goddess Relief Office » Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:01 am
by Wallenburg » Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:53 pm
The Silver Sentinel wrote:Wallenburg wrote:By the claims of this resolution and my own investigation, I can safely conclude that BearNation has been a force for good within the Multiverse. This nation's commitment to progressive, egalitarian policy is admirable, and I can certainly applaud BearNation's lengthy history as a major figure within regions such as Gay and Philosophy 115. However, none of this nation's achievements strike me as particularly important or commendable, or exemplary in any way on the international stage. Certainly, BearNation is a model nation within the regions it has so greatly influenced, but the contributions outlined in this resolution show little to no impact on the Multiverse in general. Furthermore, the references to international news organizations and blogs is, in a word, underwhelming, as these news outlets--none of which most nations even know about--demonstrate no lasting, major impact on the Multiverse. Lastly, the format and structure of this resolution are uncomfortably informal.
While I recognize the good done by the nominated nation, I argue that these contributions to the international community are simply insufficient to merit a commendation by the World Assembly.
Would you have still voted that way if this was passing?
by Wallenburg » Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:54 pm
"Commend BearNation" was defeated 7,996 votes to 6,439.
by The Stalker » Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:30 pm
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