[DEFEATED]Liberate The Black Riders

by **Rellacrystal** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:23 pm

Ambroscus Koth wrote:As a native of TBR since 2012, I am strongly against this proposal. The double standard here is unreal.

I echo these words. Rellacrystal is against the proposal.

~Jenna Winters, WA Representative
The Shining Nation of Rellacrystal

by **Ever-Wandering Souls** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:39 pm

The Stalker wrote:The idea that the international community should support TBR getting their homeland back after all the homelands they've stolen and still have. That any region no matter how foul, or how much damage they've done to the international community should always be supported, it deems their behavior acceptable, and that is a very dangerous precedent to set.

TBR isn't getting anything back, it's dead and buried. Furthermore, the passage of this resolution would not prevent *raiders* from getting TBR - we already have it. It's not like it's locked up by some third party and passing this resolution would allow us to raid it. It's not actively helping raiders from getting it back, only making a secure refound a bitch to pull off, and actually increasing the chance that someone who *does* want to build something there gets it back.

I've gotten a lot of messages from people saying that TBR doesn't deserve anything except to die, that they won't do anything to help TBR, etc - and that's why they're voting for. I don't think they understand that if this doesn't pass, it'll actually further that. I don't intend to bring anything to life in TBR besides a bit of history in written form. The best way to leave this region as an empty, dead husk is to let me do what I intend without interference, and with the support of the region's natives.

by **The Stalker** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:16 pm

Well I suppose we'll have to see how it plays out. I don't expect they'll get it back in the near future, but a year, two, even three or more, who can say. Forever is a long time, you commented to playing for several years? And even if it somehow remains closed, in your control, it still offers them more dignity than the region's they've held for years with mockery.

A liberation would prevent any such refound, and would make nearly impossible to hold long term. A far more fitting fate in my book. One that I think would deter such foul behavior and promote a healthier form of raiding.

Ever since their fall I think raiding has been moving in a more positive direction. They served as warning, a corrupt model of what not to do. Making them into a monument makes them less of a warning and more something to aspire to.

by **Ever-Wandering Souls** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:30 pm

The Stalker wrote:Well I suppose we'll have to see how it plays out. I don't expect they'll get it back in the near future, but a year, two, even three or more, who can say. Forever is a long time, you commented to playing for several years? And even if it somehow remains closed, in your control, it still offers them more dignity than the region's they've held for years with mockery.

A liberation would prevent any such refound, and would make nearly impossible to hold long term. A far more fitting fate in my book. One that I think would deter such foul behavior and promote a healthier form of raiding.

Ever since their fall I think raiding has been moving in a more positive direction. They served as warning, a corrupt model of what not to do. Making them into a monument makes them less of a warning and more something to aspire to.

Who'll get it back? The natives have settled in DEN (and approved my efforts) or left the game.

Liberations do not prevent refounds, they just make them harder to carry out and increase the odds of interception.

My histories are fairly fair. They would include the DOS'ing that caused the downfall and such. I can't say I'd phrase their operations the way all might, but there are elements of TBR that both sides agree were destructive, and no one can argue that bob and halc screwed it over.

by **The Stalker** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:07 pm

Eh I suppose it could be in worse hands. Still would have preferred to seen a lib passed though, have to see how things play out.

When all is said and done thou, I hope you fly the Black Hawks flag.

by **Topid** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:13 pm

The Stalker wrote:Eh I suppose it could be in worse hands. Still would have preferred to seen a lib passed though, have to see how things play out.

When all is said and done thou, I hope you fly the Black Hawks flag.

My liberation attempt is going to come really late in the refound process, most likely.

by **Todd McCloud** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:18 pm

I am glad to see this resolution is being struck down thus far by the Security Council body.

by **The Elite Cavalry** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:13 am

The Black Hawks have the long-standing native population's support, unlike the coalition of invaders lead by UGR. There's no reason to liberate the region.

Against.

by **RockSteadyCrew** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:44 am

I voted against this proposal, cause there is no need for liberation in this case.

by **Dragon rider 663** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:49 am

We Are Not The ATF wrote:
Dragon rider 663 wrote:Because and I say this with quotes lots of sarcasm and sighing we are "terrorests" and we "destroy" regions. Their fault for not being bettr defenders

Yeah, you aren't a member of TBR...

I am a puppet of my master

by **We Are Not The ATF** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:51 am

Dragon rider 663 wrote:
We Are Not The ATF wrote:Yeah, you aren't a member of TBR...

I am a puppet of my master

And your master would be...?

by **Thorn1000** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:57 am

We Are Not The ATF wrote:
Dragon rider 663 wrote:I am a puppet of my master

And your master would be...?

Me

by **We Are Not The ATF** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:47 am

Thorn1000 wrote:
We Are Not The ATF wrote:And your master would be...?

Me

Ah, okay. You're not in the support factbook.

by **Treehall** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:39 am

Dragon rider 663 wrote:
Treehall wrote:The Black Riders invaded my region. They are terrorists.
You've got to be a complete idiot to think they deserve any sort of support.

You may think we are terrorist but according to the mods we do things our way and nothing is wrong with raiding

That doesn't negate the fact that it makes you a terrorist.

by **Dragon rider 663** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:12 am

Treehall wrote:
Dragon rider 663 wrote:You may think we are terrorist but according to the mods we do things our way and nothing is wrong with raiding

That doesn't negate the fact that it makes you a terrorist.

Legally no we are not because the definition states that although we use violence and intimidation be dont really have political views so no its not terrorism. Also terrorism is illegal raiding is not

by **We Are Not The ATF** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:16 am

Treehall wrote:
Dragon rider 663 wrote:You may think we are terrorist but according to the mods we do things our way and nothing is wrong with raiding

That doesn't negate the fact that it makes you a terrorist.

I'm not really sure where the word "terrorist" comes from in this. The actions of raiders are more comparable to that of an invading army.

by **Dragon rider 663** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:18 am

We Are Not The ATF wrote:
Treehall wrote:
That doesn't negate the fact that it makes you a terrorist.

I'm not really sure where the word "terrorist" comes from in this. The actions of raiders are more comparable to that of an invading army.

Or a capture the flag team.

by **United RussoAsia** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:35 am

Dragon rider 663 wrote:Or a capture the flag team.

^this is most accurate^

by **Nessie** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:38 am

The interesting thing about capture the flag is that if the other team doesn't know there is a game going on it is just stealing other peoples flags out of their yard.

by **Dragon rider 663** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:43 am

Nessie wrote:The interesting thing about capture the flag is that if the other team doesn't know there is a game going on it is just stealing other peoples flags out of their yard.

You make it sound like thats a problem

by **Nessie** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:47 am

I wouldn't expect it to be for you. Frustrating people just for the sake of it was what TBR was founded on.

by **Dragon rider 663** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:23 pm

Nessie wrote:I wouldn't expect it to be for you. Frustrating people just for the sake of it was what TBR was founded on.

I join.ed just last year. I was 3 when TBR was founded. Point taken

by **Nessie** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:44 pm

Dragon rider 663 wrote:
Nessie wrote:I wouldn't expect it to be for you. Frustrating people just for the sake of it was what TBR was founded on.

I join.ed just last year. I was 3 when TBR was founded. Point taken

TBR isn't that old. You would have to be 7 years old for that to be true, I believe.

by **Ever-Wandering Souls** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:02 pm

Nessie wrote:TBR isn't that old. You would have to be 7 years old for that to be true, I believe.

Speaking on this incarnation:

4 years 11 days ago: Region founded by Black riders commander.

Now, if I have my TBR history correct, that was actually a refound. That said, the region is still several year younger than the org some of it's members split from - The Black Hawks, founded ten years ago.

by **Nessie** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:16 pm

NShistory's first entry for TBR is at the very end of 2009 (Thank you Texas). So five and a half years old.

*Amends previous statement*

So that would make you 8 years old now.

[DEFEATED]Liberate The Black Riders

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