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Founded: Oct 07, 2012
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Postby Main » Fri Nov 14, 2014 4:49 pm

My main issue with this is that the author of this proposal leads a small group of raiders. The hypocrisy involved leads me to be unable to approve of this proposal, regardless of my opinion of the tbh or halcones. In addition, I feel that the condemnation would be completely ineffective and would only be a badge of honor.

PS: If you guys could stop going after Ireland, that'd be great.
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Genivaria wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:I mean, I can understand wanting to deter drug smuggling, but execution is going way too far.

That's a Rick Perry level of unnecessary execution.

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Postby RiderSyl » Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:04 pm

I see that the Black Riders will have another condemnation that will need to repealed and replaced with a much better version.
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Amalenya
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Founded: Feb 16, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Amalenya » Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:20 pm

So, the main reason people are against this is the fact that it doesn't go into detail at all and is very vague, not that Halcones is unworthy of condemnation, right?

If that's the case, wouldn't it make sense to vote for it and, if anyone ever writes a better one, repeal this one or just add the new one on top or something? I mean, even if it's not a very good condemnation, it's better than nothing... right?

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Aistaan
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Founded: Feb 22, 2014
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Postby Aistaan » Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:43 am

Amalenya wrote:So, the main reason people are against this is the fact that it doesn't go into detail at all and is very vague, not that Halcones is unworthy of condemnation, right?

If that's the case, wouldn't it make sense to vote for it and, if anyone ever writes a better one, repeal this one or just add the new one on top or something? I mean, even if it's not a very good condemnation, it's better than nothing... right?

The point is that the Black Riders wear their raiding skills as a war tribute, something with being proof of. And as founder, overlord and general this nation must have some radical ideas about the game. I think out would be wise to ask first what has caused this short of dissatisfaction in his mind or this misconception that all the world needs to be raided and destroyed. Poor regions have lost their sovereignty and it is because of this radical thinking. Condemnation makes this region more powerful and braver. The r rest is upto the wiser to find a more sophisticated solution to this narcissism

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Democratic Socialists

Postby Main » Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:00 am

This proposal is a waste of SC time for several reasons. To begin with, as I have stated before the author is extremely hypocritical, since they lead a small band of raiders. Condemning a nation for raiding is of arguable merit but it loses all merit when the author is also a raider. Now this part is just an opinion but I think this proposal has a high chance of getting repealed and I know that if the opportunity arose I would vote to repeal it. I would like to finish by saying that the proposal is little more then an ego boost for nephmir, and I feel there are much more important issues for the SC to deal with.
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Genivaria wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:I mean, I can understand wanting to deter drug smuggling, but execution is going way too far.

That's a Rick Perry level of unnecessary execution.

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Havendes Forvenson
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Founded: Mar 25, 2012
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Postby Havendes Forvenson » Sun Nov 16, 2014 4:16 am

I feel like this is kind of a waste as in the raiding community, becoming condemned is more like a medal for getting noticed than an actual punishment.
It is a waste of time and the security council.

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Izento
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Founded: Sep 12, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Izento » Sun Nov 16, 2014 4:52 pm

I'm surprised he wasn't condemned already

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Utymnano
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Founded: Dec 13, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Utymnano » Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:40 pm

Ridiculous. Acting as if this will do anything to stop TBR.

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Melkor the Dark
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Founded: Nov 06, 2014
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Postby Melkor the Dark » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:41 am

I agree with many of you and think he needs to be condemned.
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Drewlantis
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So What..?

Postby Drewlantis » Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:06 pm

I do not fully understand the situation, I doubt if anyone completely does, but it seems as though TBR are not as influential or successful as other raiding entities, among them TBH. It also appears to me that this resolution amounts to nothing. Ultimately the power of this council is that of committing the WA members to denounce Halcones, not actually removing or otherwise damaging. It does not liberate regions currently under captivity or occupation, it also fails to bring the WA to a point in which we as a group could successfully counter raid regions or otherwise impose or inhibit TBR. The only damage is lowering the respect of the international community, which it seems is already low. The passage of this constitutes as of no importance or effect, I would be in favor of a more intense or focused attack/reaction, otherwise what's the point? So what, who cares, this does absolutely nothing.
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Walrasia
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Founded: Apr 26, 2012
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Postby Walrasia » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:38 pm

So we want to give this "general" a special little badge for being so special at raiding? Against.

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Ibrahim Arrham
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Founded: Nov 17, 2014
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Postby Ibrahim Arrham » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:20 am

Walrasia wrote:So we want to give this "general" a special little badge for being so special at raiding? Against.

Well guess what? That is the only most formidable measure that the SC has to give the condemned nations a bad day. These people wear their raiding abilities as a pride already. And worse they have been condemned twice

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Democratic Socialists

Postby Main » Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:13 am

I am SO happy this passed. It's good that he has finally been... oh wait, that's right, this accomplished nothing. It was a complete waste of time.
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Three Categories for the WA under the sky,
F-Seven for derp-lords in their halls of stone,
Nearly nine stickies for diplomacy, doomed to die,
One site for Max Barry on his dark throne,
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One Thread to rule them all, One Thread to find them,
One Thread to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of NationStates where the Shadows lie.
Genivaria wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:I mean, I can understand wanting to deter drug smuggling, but execution is going way too far.

That's a Rick Perry level of unnecessary execution.

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Postby Nephmir » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:10 pm

Thank you all who voted for this! :)
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Postby Corvus Corax » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:28 pm

Now it's then time for making repeal for that bad resolution, or at least another Condemnation. General Halcones earn more better Condemnation than that was.
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