[DEFEATED] Repeal "Reproductive Freedoms"

[Frisbeeteria]

Repeal "Reproductive Freedoms"
A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.


Category: Repeal

Resolution: GA#286

Proposed by: Alchemic Queendom

Description: WA General Assembly Resolution #286: Reproductive Freedoms (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: The World Assembly,

Noting that World Assembly Resolution #286, “Reproductive Freedoms”, creates a totally unrestricted right to obtain an abortion at any stage of a pregnancy,

Realizing that this includes a right to obtain very late term abortions, or abortions after a genetic test, for example for the presence of Down's syndrome,

Furthermore, reiterating its commitment to human equality,

Believing that one of the most important aspects of human equality is the abolition of gender-based discrimination,

Applauding previous World Assembly legislation attempting to address gender-based discrimination, while recognising that this is an unfinished project,

Acknowledging that in many cultures economic and social norms have led to prejudices against female children and to discrimination in favour of male children,

Understanding that a common means of expressing this prejudice is through sex-selective abortion, wherein an abortion is conducted only after a sex test of the foetus has confirmed it to be female,

Also aware of informal folk attitudes that may lead to a pregnancy being ascribed female characteristics even in the absence of definitive medical testing, leading to sex-selective abortion,

Arguing that sex-selective abortion has serious societal consequences, including fuelling further discriminatory attitudes and practices, and contributing to socioeconomic inequality,

Considering there to be a compelling interest in preventing sex-selective abortion,

Disgusted that Resolution #286 prohibits legislation to prevent sex-selective abortion,

Repulsed that this Resolution amounts to a World Assembly mandate for gendercide and does active harm by preventing efforts to address gender imbalances,

Emphasising that this repeal in no way represents an argument against the basic right to obtain an abortion,

Nonetheless, holding the issue of sex-selective abortion sufficiently important to merit reconsideration of the Resolution in question:

World Assembly Resolution #286 is struck out and rendered null and void.

As this is well on its way to quorum, and the author (puppet) has indicated they have no intentions of posting this on the forum, I WILL!

Needless to say The Federation opposes this bullshit....

[Defwa]

The complaint issue is almost unenforceable. But it might work.
(which is why Medical Inviolability needs to get up there)

[Normlpeople]

"I would wonder why the author claims it doesn't protect against gendercide, but ignore the fact that it is not only covered by previous resolutions, but also that they could simply write a resolution to cover it should they feel otherwise. In any case, it would be hard to prove. Suffice it to say, most of the approvals are the rubber stampers and those that will approve anything against this resolution.

I seem to be standing side by side with the Fae a lot lately. In this case, I shall continue to support the legislation and vote against the repeal, should this come to pass"

[The Eternal Kawaii]

In the Name of the Eternal Kawaii, may the Cute One be praised

As the most fundamental woman's right is the right not to be discriminated against in the womb, we offer our full support to this repeal.

[Applebania]

Joshua stands.
"Applebania will oppose this resolution. While the issue of sex-selective abortion is a horrible one, we believe that it may already be covered in the Charter of Civil Rights."
He sits down again.

OOC: That, and RF is my favourite resolution all year.

[Hakio]

"What is this nonsense? Allows gender based discrimination? Four words for yah, sweetheart, Charter. Of. Civil. Rights."

WA Ambassador
~Sia Hedishi

[Railana]

"What is this nonsense? Allows gender based discrimination? Four words for yah, sweetheart, Charter. Of. Civil. Rights."

WA Ambassador
~Sia Hedishi

The Charter of Civil Rights only applies to private entities in the specific cases listed in the resolution, which do not include abortion.

Joseph Fulton
Chief Ambassador, Railanan Mission to the World Assembly

[Hakio]

"What is this nonsense? Allows gender based discrimination? Four words for yah, sweetheart, Charter. Of. Civil. Rights."

WA Ambassador
~Sia Hedishi

The Charter of Civil Rights only applies to private entities in the specific cases listed in the resolution, which do not include abortion.

Joseph Fulton
Chief Ambassador, Railanan Mission to the World Assembly

"Charter of Civil Rights prohibits nations from systematic discrimination of a person based on their gender, orientation, ethnicity, race or otherwise."

WA Ambassador
~Sia Hedishi

[Mousebumples]

The Charter of Civil Rights only applies to private entities in the specific cases listed in the resolution, which do not include abortion.

Joseph Fulton
Chief Ambassador, Railanan Mission to the World Assembly

"Charter of Civil Rights prohibits nations from systematic discrimination of a person based on their gender, orientation, ethnicity, race or otherwise."

And, technically, CoCR only reads "inhabitant."

Is anyone going to start arguing that a fetus (be it considered a person or not) is not considered to be an inhabitant of whatever nation their mother resides in?

[Margno]

"I would wonder why the author claims it doesn't protect against gendercide, but ignore the fact that it is not only covered by previous resolutions, but also that they could simply write a resolution to cover it should they feel otherwise. In any case, it would be hard to prove. Suffice it to say, most of the approvals are the rubber stampers and those that will approve anything against this resolution.

I seem to be standing side by side with the Fae a lot lately. In this case, I shall continue to support the legislation and vote against the repeal, should this come to pass"

Know where you stand. Eirann Fae is an admitted bully who has stated that she only participates in the World Assembly to harass other world leaders.

"We've casted a rare For vote, because Douria recently pissed on Auralia's grave, and fuck yeah, we're down for that. We know Douria wants this - we'll help give it to them." Alexandra looks around the chamber, wondering if her government even has a seat in the Security Council; they so rarely participate.

How does it feel to be a bully?

Unable to find a seat with her nation's name on it, Alexandra settles for sitting on the nearest desk, swinging her black combat boots several inches from the floor. She calmly smooths her violet taffeta skirt while responding to the ambassador representing Margno. "Feels good, man. Ain't that what this place is all about? Putting other people in their place? I know that's why I'm chillin' here - paying my respects to the Dourian government for beatin' Martin Russell to the curb!" The woman folds her hands in her lap and gazes at nothing in particular. "Oh, it was beautiful. You shoulda been there, man. Douria was rollin', others were hatin'. Ro' and I were celebratin'. Most fun we've had in the Festering Snakepit in a long time!"

(The act of "pissing on Auralia's grave" to which Fae refers is the GA#2 scandal)

On topic, I support this resolution. Despite my own anti coercive ideology, I am in favor of voluntary non coercion, not coerced non coercion, and certainly not a body of international law which mandates a number of laws and forbids other laws. As the leader of Margno, I have no desire to compel other nations to accept my political ideology against their will.

[Applebania]

"I would wonder why the author claims it doesn't protect against gendercide, but ignore the fact that it is not only covered by previous resolutions, but also that they could simply write a resolution to cover it should they feel otherwise. In any case, it would be hard to prove. Suffice it to say, most of the approvals are the rubber stampers and those that will approve anything against this resolution.

I seem to be standing side by side with the Fae a lot lately. In this case, I shall continue to support the legislation and vote against the repeal, should this come to pass"

Know where you stand. Eirann Fae is an admitted bully who has stated that she only participates in the World Assembly to harass other users.

How does it feel to be a bully?

Unable to find a seat with her nation's name on it, Alexandra settles for sitting on the nearest desk, swinging her black combat boots several inches from the floor. She calmly smooths her violet taffeta skirt while responding to the ambassador representing Margno. "Feels good, man. Ain't that what this place is all about? Putting other people in their place? I know that's why I'm chillin' here - paying my respects to the Dourian government for beatin' Martin Russell to the curb!" The woman folds her hands in her lap and gazes at nothing in particular. "Oh, it was beautiful. You shoulda been there, man. Douria was rollin', others were hatin'. Ro' and I were celebratin'. Most fun we've had in the Festering Snakepit in a long time!"

(The act of "pissing on Auralia's grave" to which Fae is referring is the GA#2 scandal)

OOC: That was almost certainly IC.

[Margno]

Know where you stand. Eirann Fae is an admitted bully who has stated that she only participates in the World Assembly to harass other users.


(The act of "pissing on Auralia's grave" to which Fae is referring is the GA#2 scandal)

OOC: That was almost certainly IC.

OOC: As is my opposition. That said, the harassment was real.

[Ardchoilleans]

Is anyone going to start arguing that a fetus (be it considered a person or not) is not considered to be an inhabitant of whatever nation their mother resides in?

Is it too late to place a bet? My money's on, "Yes, someone will."

[Margno]

"Charter of Civil Rights prohibits nations from systematic discrimination of a person based on their gender, orientation, ethnicity, race or otherwise."

And, technically, CoCR only reads "inhabitant."

Is anyone going to start arguing that a fetus (be it considered a person or not) is not considered to be an inhabitant of whatever nation their mother resides in?

It seems to me that if a fetus is a person, it's a resident of a country, and if it's not a person, it's not. I wouldn't consider a chicken or cow a "resident." Perhaps I'm missing something?

[Mousebumples]

And, technically, CoCR only reads "inhabitant."

Is anyone going to start arguing that a fetus (be it considered a person or not) is not considered to be an inhabitant of whatever nation their mother resides in?

It seems to me that if a fetus is a person, it's a resident of a country, and if it's not a person, it's not. I wouldn't consider a chicken or cow a "resident." Perhaps I'm missing something?

Me neither. But the resolution doesn't say "resident." Resident =/= Inhabitant ... at least, not in my dictionary.

Is anyone going to start arguing that a fetus (be it considered a person or not) is not considered to be an inhabitant of whatever nation their mother resides in?

Is it too late to place a bet? My money's on, "Yes, someone will."

And, yeah, it was mostly a rhetorical question because, yes, it will, if the past in any way serves to predict the future in these parts. Just like Senator Sulla never met a bribe he didn't like, all sorts of what I'd consider to be largely illogical arguments will continually be brought up in these chambers.

But ... I suppose other ambassadors would likely say the same thing about some of my own arguments and statements herein.

[Margno]

It seems to me that if a fetus is a person, it's a resident of a country, and if it's not a person, it's not. I wouldn't consider a chicken or cow a "resident." Perhaps I'm missing something?

Me neither. But the resolution doesn't say "resident." Resident =/= Inhabitant ... at least, not in my dictionary.

Oh, thanks, I just misread it. I think we're generally supposed to go with the plain meaning of text in resolutions, and the dictionary definition of "inhabitant" is:
"a person or animal that lives in or occupies a place."
And it would be borderline impossible to argue that a fetus is not an animal. Although, like you said. Infinite monkeys on typewriters and all that.

[Elke and Elba]

"What is this nonsense? Allows gender based discrimination? Four words for yah, sweetheart, Charter. Of. Civil. Rights."

WA Ambassador
~Sia Hedishi

*Alethea is confused*

Is this by any chance illegal, as although the draft didn't talk about gendercidenonsense, it has itself covered by CoCR? Is it possible to posit, then, that the author (Alchemy who?) has a false and deceitful argument that can be read to be its/his/her/their misinterpretation of RF?

[Rotwood]

"I would wonder why the author claims it doesn't protect against gendercide, but ignore the fact that it is not only covered by previous resolutions, but also that they could simply write a resolution to cover it should they feel otherwise. In any case, it would be hard to prove. Suffice it to say, most of the approvals are the rubber stampers and those that will approve anything against this resolution.

I seem to be standing side by side with the Fae a lot lately. In this case, I shall continue to support the legislation and vote against the repeal, should this come to pass"

Know where you stand. Eirann Fae is an admitted bully who has stated that she only participates in the World Assembly to harass other world leaders.

How does it feel to be a bully?

Unable to find a seat with her nation's name on it, Alexandra settles for sitting on the nearest desk, swinging her black combat boots several inches from the floor. She calmly smooths her violet taffeta skirt while responding to the ambassador representing Margno. "Feels good, man. Ain't that what this place is all about? Putting other people in their place? I know that's why I'm chillin' here - paying my respects to the Dourian government for beatin' Martin Russell to the curb!" The woman folds her hands in her lap and gazes at nothing in particular. "Oh, it was beautiful. You shoulda been there, man. Douria was rollin', others were hatin'. Ro' and I were celebratin'. Most fun we've had in the Festering Snakepit in a long time!"

(The act of "pissing on Auralia's grave" to which Fae refers is the GA#2 scandal)

On topic, I support this resolution. Despite my own anti coercive ideology, I am in favor of voluntary non coercion, not coerced non coercion, and certainly not a body of international law which mandates a number of laws and forbids other laws. As the leader of Margno, I have no desire to compel other nations to accept my political ideology against their will.

OOC: One could argue you are doing the same, with how you set them up in the thread these quotes were originally posted, then turn around and use them here, where they have no relevance. Not to mention it is completely off topic, and has no relation to the repeal which this thread is based on.

[Margno]

Know where you stand. Eirann Fae is an admitted bully who has stated that she only participates in the World Assembly to harass other world leaders.


(The act of "pissing on Auralia's grave" to which Fae refers is the GA#2 scandal)

On topic, I support this resolution. Despite my own anti coercive ideology, I am in favor of voluntary non coercion, not coerced non coercion, and certainly not a body of international law which mandates a number of laws and forbids other laws. As the leader of Margno, I have no desire to compel other nations to accept my political ideology against their will.

OOC: One could argue you are doing the same, with how you set them up in the thread these quotes were originally posted, then turn around and use them here, where they have no relevance. Not to mention it is completely off topic, and has no relation to the repeal which this thread is based on.

OOC: That comment was just an aside to another user who happened to mention finding themself siding with Fae frequently, and I did also give my position on the resolution. As to whether my actions are similar to hers: maybe, I see your point there, but certainly not on the same scale.

[Rotwood]

OOC: One could argue you are doing the same, with how you set them up in the thread these quotes were originally posted, then turn around and use them here, where they have no relevance. Not to mention it is completely off topic, and has no relation to the repeal which this thread is based on.

OOC: That comment was just an aside to another user who happened to mention finding themself siding with Fae frequently, and I did also give my position on the resolution. As to whether my actions are similar to hers: maybe, I see your point there, but certainly not on the same scale.

OOC: actually, it is, or maybe a bit worse cause you acted slightly deceptively in the way you handled it in that other thread, especially given the circumstances (I would actually debate if it was bullying, Auralia actually brought a lot on themselves and were getting their just deserts). But again, as stated, this is getting off topic, and is not necessary for this thread

[Margno]

OOC: That comment was just an aside to another user who happened to mention finding themself siding with Fae frequently, and I did also give my position on the resolution. As to whether my actions are similar to hers: maybe, I see your point there, but certainly not on the same scale.

OOC: actually, it is, or maybe a bit worse cause you acted slightly deceptively in the way you handled it in that other thread, especially given the circumstances (I would actually debate if it was bullying, Auralia actually brought a lot on themselves and were getting their just deserts). But again, as stated, this is getting off topic, and is not necessary for this thread

OOC: So just desserts apply when Auralia acts out of line and excuse what would otherwise be harassment, but when Fae says something awful, it's totally not okay for me to even quote it, and, you know, let people see the awful thing she said? I didn't take it out of context, and I literally hadn't said one thing to Fae before this. When I asked her how it felt to be a bully, I wasn't expecting her to say "Oh, it feels great, it's pretty much the only reason I go on the WA." Whatever, dude. Enjoy your double standards.

[Elke and Elba]

OOC: actually, it is, or maybe a bit worse cause you acted slightly deceptively in the way you handled it in that other thread, especially given the circumstances (I would actually debate if it was bullying, Auralia actually brought a lot on themselves and were getting their just deserts). But again, as stated, this is getting off topic, and is not necessary for this thread

OOC: So just desserts apply when Auralia acts out of line and excuse what would otherwise be harassment, but when Fae says something awful, it's totally not okay for me to even quote it, and, you know, let people see the awful thing she said? I didn't take it out of context, and I literally hadn't said one thing to Fae before this. Whatever, dude. Enjoy your double standards.

OOC: Just deserts* (apparently this is right, got corrected before).

As for double standards, will any court give Eireann and Auralia the same punishment for their respective crimes? Nope. I don't incline to agree with you.

Moving on, let's hope a failure like Commend Hobbes should happen because the author doesn't make his presence, like how it did after Bodobol refused to comment anything or even disclose anything.

[Rotwood]

OOC: actually, it is, or maybe a bit worse cause you acted slightly deceptively in the way you handled it in that other thread, especially given the circumstances (I would actually debate if it was bullying, Auralia actually brought a lot on themselves and were getting their just deserts). But again, as stated, this is getting off topic, and is not necessary for this thread

OOC: So just desserts apply when Auralia acts out of line and excuse what would otherwise be harassment, but when Fae says something awful, it's totally not okay for me to even quote it, and, you know, let people see the awful thing she said? I didn't take it out of context, and I literally hadn't said one thing to Fae before this. When I asked her how it felt to be a bully, I wasn't expecting her to say "Oh, it feels great, it's pretty much the only reason I go on the WA." Whatever, dude. Enjoy your double standards.

OOC: This will be my last reply on this. It is a gross comparison you are making there, especially when it comes off as though you baited her. She was replying in character (pretty much sarcastically, too) and echoing the sentiments of a lot of people here, and there was vary little bullying, if at all, involved. Now compare that one thing to Auralia's actions (too numerous to mention here), the quote was both out of line and way out of context for this thread.

But again, this is way off topic, and I will not be replying on this issue here again.

[Hirota]

It's disappointing that this thread seems more focused on the whiny little bitch ambassador representing Margno than on the submitted proposal itself.

Nonetheless, we observe that several ambassadors have also noticed the trumped up justifications for this repeal are flimsy. Still, I suspect that at least some of those delegates supporting it are fully aware the repeal arguments are weak and don't care because (for them) the ends justify the means.

[Ardchoille]

I think this remark I made during legality argument on the cloning Resolution summarises my position (emphasis added):

You may remember in the abortion debates [EDIT: not the recent ones, the ones in early 2011] there was an attempt to argue that the foetus was already protected by GA#35. It was rejected on the grounds that at that stage the GA had not voted for, nor had it voted against, the question of whether the foetus was a person. [EDIT: This is still the case] To invoke GA#35 as a legality argument would be mods giving the personhood argument de facto recognition before the Assembly voted on it, and the proposal under discussion was not worded in such a way that it was intentionally a vote on personhood.

tl;dr: Whether the GA thinks the foetus is a person is the GA's decision, not the mods'.

But again, this is way off topic, and I will not be replying on this issue here again.

Good. If you stick to that you'll avoid the *** warnings for gloating and threadjacking *** that my fingers are itching to type. Cut it out, folks.