[PASSED] Protecting Migratory Animals

[Equality and Liberty]

I'm a delegate and I voted for it, because my environment in my nation is going downhill fast, and with regular issues it's choosing between economy and environment. Money, lol.

[The Sierrian Empire]

It seems ever obvious that any nation voting against this legislation has their priorities completely BACKWARDS. The only arguments I've heard against this legislation entail racism, pursuit of an archaic hobby, and fear of profit loss- none of which should come before our environment. I will be sincerely disappointed if "Protecting Migratory Animals" does not pass, especially at the hands of greedy capitalists and racists.

[Haladrien]

It doesn't defeat the purpose at all. Every law has reasonable exceptions (even murder has self-defense). The provision allowing nations to deter migratory animals from being pests does not swallow the broader rule requiring habitat preservation and prohibiting unreasonable takings. The fact that a native migratory species competes with other native creatures does not make the migratory species invasive.

So your saying that a species, after inserting itself into another species environment, that takes another species food supply is in fact not invasive?

I am going to expressly enjoy writing an International Incidents thread pulling an Australia.
War on the Emu it is!

[Mosktopia]

It doesn't defeat the purpose at all. Every law has reasonable exceptions (even murder has self-defense). The provision allowing nations to deter migratory animals from being pests does not swallow the broader rule requiring habitat preservation and prohibiting unreasonable takings. The fact that a native migratory species competes with other native creatures does not make the migratory species invasive.

So your saying that a species, after inserting itself into another species environment, that takes another species food supply is in fact not invasive?

I'm saying that there's a difference between a migratory species ranging over its natural habitat, and a migratory species invading a non-native habitat.

[Haladrien]

So your saying that a species, after inserting itself into another species environment, that takes another species food supply is in fact not invasive?

I'm saying that there's a difference between a migratory species ranging over its natural habitat, and a migratory species invading a non-native habitat.

Please, explain.

[Ramaeus]

But it is strange to us to see so many delegates in self-described "democratic" regions voting against commanding majorities of their own members; the North Pacific, Europeia, and The Versutian Federation, in particular, are democratic regions which all have super-majorities of their members voting "for" the proposal, while their delegate votes "against." Of course, we would never presume to judge the democratic process of other regions, but these results do look quite strange...

Europeia and TNP use off-site forum voting to decide how their delegate votes on proposals. I believe The Versutian Federation practices a policy where the delegate decides how they vote on the proposal.

[Defwa]

I'm saying that there's a difference between a migratory species ranging over its natural habitat, and a migratory species invading a non-native habitat.

Please, explain.

Take for instance rabbits in Australia [sorry, RL example]. Non native, but when introduced to the continent, exploder in population severely endangering crops, wild life, and infrastructure for decades.
This is different from a herd of buffalo traveling cross country in that the buffalo exist in relative balance with their environmental and move in a predictable fashion.

[Tyviskia]

(i'm new to this thing so please do not go hard on me)
I vote yes for the proposal, because animals must be protected even if, it causes the industry to go down

[Supremely]

"I am sorry ambassador, but if I read this right, it would restrict economic development of what could potentially be prime real-estate simply because some migratory bird uses it as a stopover for a couple weeks a year? If that is the case, then there is no way we can support it."

[Tiesabre]

As a nation that place heavy value on our natural world and animals, Tiesabre puts its full support behind this measure and eagerly asks that all nations do as well. Protecting our natural environment in extremely important and simply because you cannot make large sums of cash off protecting animals doesn't mean they should not be protected. Nations who cannot see the importance of this need to take a deep look at what is important in this world!

[Nordenwald]

No. I support industrialization, even if it comes at the expense of nature.

[Gleeful Mutilation]

Great, more Hippie BS to waist our time.

Against

[Monature]

As a nation that place heavy value on our natural world and animals, Tiesabre puts its full support behind this measure and eagerly asks that all nations do as well. Protecting our natural environment in extremely important and simply because you cannot make large sums of cash off protecting animals doesn't mean they should not be protected. Nations who cannot see the importance of this need to take a deep look at what is important in this world!

I agree, as the ruler of a nation which made deforestation illegal just to protect our forests, and to protect our national animal, the Phoenix. This resolution will help reinforce the status of Phoenixes as a protected species, as they make annual migrations from a mountain range on the fringe of Monature to the Spires of Pyrarica in the west.

[Orztotskha]

The Federal Republic of Orztotskha, as a state whose economy does not rely very heavily on industry, accepts this legislation.

We are willing to keep our forests lush and our landscapes and environments stunning for future generations, and that includes annual migration.

However, pest animals that make their way into cities or possible invasive species should not be tolerated.

[Air and Purple Haze]

I voted against this because it the resolution is say too vague.

How do we define 'migratory animals'?

How do we define the area that they migrate?

It feels like, if passed, there could be lots of individual arguments over individual species of animals. Unless there is a universal way to define the animals, then I encourage you to suppor me in negation of this resolution.

[The Orbis of Sol]

If passed this resolution forces The Orbis of Sol and other states who view sovereignty as the highest good to commence complete tribal purges or arrests in order to protect our borders.

Convention against genocide would render you incapable to attempt the former, and Fairness in Criminal Trials would compel you to fail in the latter. If that was not to dissuade you from this course of utter insanity, my significantly larger and more powerful armed forces, doubtless supported by other member states - all easily capable of splatting your little teapot government - will easily topple your petty regime.

Or you could play nicely and we won't have to smash you into little bits.

Thankfully, the Orbis of Sol excels in propaganda and brainwashing. If this proposal passes we intend to arrest and purge tribal culture through a rigorous systematic psychological torture campaign. While physical genocide is banned, cultural eradication is still notably allowed.

We are also looking forward to creating sleeper agent tribal migratory agents to circumvent foreign borders since this proposal clearly weakens border sovereignty in profound ways.

[Defwa]

I voted against this because it the resolution is say too vague.

How do we define 'migratory animals'?

How do we define the area that they migrate?

It feels like, if passed, there could be lots of individual arguments over individual species of animals. Unless there is a universal way to define the animals, then I encourage you to suppor me in negation of this resolution.

A migratory animal is an animal that migrates regularly.

The are that they migrate is where they go between where they start and their destination

Its exceedingly simple

[Defwa]

Convention against genocide would render you incapable to attempt the former, and Fairness in Criminal Trials would compel you to fail in the latter. If that was not to dissuade you from this course of utter insanity, my significantly larger and more powerful armed forces, doubtless supported by other member states - all easily capable of splatting your little teapot government - will easily topple your petty regime.

Or you could play nicely and we won't have to smash you into little bits.

Thankfully, the Orbis of Sol excels in propaganda and brainwashing. If this proposal passes we intend to arrest and purge tribal culture through a rigorous systematic psychological torture campaign. While physical genocide is banned, cultural eradication is still notably allowed.

We are also looking forward to creating sleeper agent tribal migratory agents to circumvent foreign borders since this proposal clearly weakens border sovereignty in profound ways.

It sounds like your nation has some profound issues it needs to work on before it joins the civilized international community.

[Mosktopia]

On behalf of Mosktopia, I would like to express our sincerest thanks to all the rational nations that allowed common sense and good faith to prevail in this vote. Despite being buried early on by the concerted efforts of the opposition, this proposal went on to garner better than 2:1 support from individual member nations. I consider this a vindication for the WA voting community. There are those who have said that most nations nations simply check to see how a particular resolution is faring and then blindly cast their vote with the majority. If that were true, this resolution would not have overcome the early votes aimed at scuttling it. The outcome here demonstrates that individual member nations do, in fact, read the proposals and form their own opinions about how to vote.

If this proposal passes we intend to arrest and purge tribal culture through a rigorous systematic psychological torture campaign. While physical genocide is banned, cultural eradication is still notably allowed.

We are also looking forward to creating sleeper agent tribal migratory agents to circumvent foreign borders since this proposal clearly weakens border sovereignty in profound ways.

Overreact much?

[UED]

well victory is assured

[Chester Pearson]

Protecting Migratory Animals was passed 6,042 votes to 4,074.