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by Araraukar » Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:07 pm
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Wrapper » Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:18 pm
Araraukar wrote:It says something about this repeal that no-one is discussing it, but rather concentrates on which politician stabbed another in the back first, and who's the biggest liar.
by The Dark Star Republic » Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:35 pm
Araraukar wrote:It says something about this repeal that no-one is discussing it, but rather concentrates on which politician stabbed another in the back first, and who's the biggest liar.
Glen-Rhodes wrote:...Gruenberg got involved after a stormy exit, so I thought maybe things were better...
by Mousebumples » Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:46 pm
The Dark Star Republic wrote:But the fact that the repeal passed by a huge margin (only to be Discarded) and is now failing by a huge margin suggests that this vote really is not about the substance of the repeal argument - unless you're suggesting that entire vote swing can be attributed solely to Douria omitting the line about a replacement.
by Linux and the X » Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:00 pm
Glen-Rhodes wrote:Most of the people applauding Douria were the same people who got the mods to delete a popular resolution after it passed
by World News » Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:23 pm
by Frustrated Franciscans » Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:01 pm
by Cardoness » Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:44 pm
Frustrated Franciscans wrote:While we are firmly against the godless, utopian, progressive overreach that a small number of nations in the World Assembly want to impose upon the multiverse...
Frustrated Franciscans wrote:We are firmly against the godless, utopian, progressive overreach that a small number of nations in the World Assembly want to impose upon the multiverse...
by Omigodtheykilledkenny » Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:50 pm
by Cardoness » Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:20 pm
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Character limit may not let you use the whole title.
Frustrated Franciscans wrote:We are firmly against the godless, utopian, progressive overreach that a small number of nations in the World Assembly want to impose upon the multiverse...
by Abacathea » Sun Apr 13, 2014 1:40 am
by Abacathea » Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:35 am
Tantricia wrote:Truly, Abacathea, the only possible way for the WA to achieve the incredible greatness it once knew is for fantastic nations like you and those governed by your friends to be involved again, yes?
by The Dark Star Republic » Sun Apr 13, 2014 3:26 am
Abacathea wrote:... When was the last time myself, kenny, glen, gruen or any of the other more established names had something at vote? ...
by Abacathea » Sun Apr 13, 2014 4:20 am
The Dark Star Republic wrote:Abacathea wrote:... When was the last time myself, kenny, glen, gruen or any of the other more established names had something at vote? ...
OOC: That disingenuous bile is beneath contempt. I cannot move forward on my repeal while the mods continue to stonewall me, something they have been doing for over three months.
Besides, why would anyone put any effort into drafting any legislation? The quality of the forum is abject, and the standard of moderation so woefully inconsistent that it might all end up being meaningless anyway. Fun fact: Ban on Slavery and Trafficking, a resolution that took months to write, with numerous different contributors - the kind of collaborative drafting project that wouldn't even be considered by the "badge" obsessed authors of today - would not now have been possible. Because it commits the terrible crime of referencing "all nations" and hence would have been summarily deleted by Kryozerkia the Wise.
by Cardoness » Sun Apr 13, 2014 4:26 am
Frustrated Franciscans wrote:We are firmly against the godless, utopian, progressive overreach that a small number of nations in the World Assembly want to impose upon the multiverse...
by The Dark Star Republic » Sun Apr 13, 2014 4:41 am
Cardoness wrote:OOC: To the points that G-R, Abacathea, and TDSR have made, I can't speak to the state of moderation nowadays, but there is a decided lack of activity from many of the old guard. The number of bad proposals hasn't changed much, but the number of good ones has. It used to be that there were always a handful of promising resolutions being worked on with lively debate and honest give and take molding and crafting it into a great document one would be proud to have helped craft, let alone have their name on it. Now, one is hard pressed to find more than a couple. And those, surprise, are from older states like Bears Armed and Eireann Fae. The answer is not to toss our hands in the air, call it a hopeless situation, and close up shop. Rather it is to become more involved, hold ourselves and others to a higher standard. I've never cared about the badge and I find babysitting a resolution from creation to vote a headache, but I decided a while back (before my health forced my sabbatical) to do what I could to improve the state of affairs in the WA by nurturing and guiding new authors in addition to bringing my own proposals forward. If more of the old guard would do the same we might be able to turn this place around.
by Cardoness » Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:00 am
The Dark Star Republic wrote:Cardoness wrote:OOC: To the points that G-R, Abacathea, and TDSR have made, I can't speak to the state of moderation nowadays, but there is a decided lack of activity from many of the old guard. The number of bad proposals hasn't changed much, but the number of good ones has. It used to be that there were always a handful of promising resolutions being worked on with lively debate and honest give and take molding and crafting it into a great document one would be proud to have helped craft, let alone have their name on it. Now, one is hard pressed to find more than a couple. And those, surprise, are from older states like Bears Armed and Eireann Fae. The answer is not to toss our hands in the air, call it a hopeless situation, and close up shop. Rather it is to become more involved, hold ourselves and others to a higher standard. I've never cared about the badge and I find babysitting a resolution from creation to vote a headache, but I decided a while back (before my health forced my sabbatical) to do what I could to improve the state of affairs in the WA by nurturing and guiding new authors in addition to bringing my own proposals forward. If more of the old guard would do the same we might be able to turn this place around.
OOC: Great! Here would be my suggestion for what players should do to get more involved.
They should get a proposal idea and write a draft.
They should get other players to comment on their draft and help them on the draft, incorporating their suggestions to improve it.
When it's time for submission, they should get a legality check from the mods.
Then they should campaign for their proposal, and hopefully see it pass!
...except, all of that is exactly what Auralia did. Remind me, how that's going for him?
Frustrated Franciscans wrote:We are firmly against the godless, utopian, progressive overreach that a small number of nations in the World Assembly want to impose upon the multiverse...
by The Dark Star Republic » Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:11 am
Cardoness wrote:You're right. I was (regrettably? thankfully?) absent during the last attempted repeal and so missed out on all that happened. The point I was making though is that many of the regulars are no longer drafting their own ideas or constructively commenting on the ideas of others. There are some, such as yourself, to be sure but most have gone silent and now we wonder why the WA is in the shape it is.
by Hakio » Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:27 am
The Dark Star Republic wrote:Cardoness wrote:You're right. I was (regrettably? thankfully?) absent during the last attempted repeal and so missed out on all that happened. The point I was making though is that many of the regulars are no longer drafting their own ideas or constructively commenting on the ideas of others. There are some, such as yourself, to be sure but most have gone silent and now we wonder why the WA is in the shape it is.
OOC: And the point I am making is that it's easy to blame older players for quitting, but that perhaps their absence is the product of mounting frustration. The only reason I am "no longer drafting [my] own ideas" is that doing so got me absolutely nowhere: I've been asking for a response from the moderators since December about National Economic Freedoms and am no closer to getting it. Maybe I should be careful what I wish for; it's not like the responses make a lot of sense when they do come.
To bring this back to the point of this thread: complaining that players are not getting involved seems out of place given the crowing and gloating associated with a deliberately pernicious effort to prevent those same players getting involved.
Pandeeria wrote:Racism is almost as good as eating babies.
by Snefaldia » Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:38 am
by Hakio » Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:42 am
Snefaldia wrote:Probably exactly the way it's defined. What other definition is there?
Pandeeria wrote:Racism is almost as good as eating babies.
by SverigeKins » Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:15 am
Ardchoille wrote:This is an At Vote debate on a repeal; as the submitter has rejected it, please focus on his text-related reasons. The text is what's up for vote, though it is relevant to comment on whether other matters affected your vote.
by Mallorea and Riva » Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:05 am
Glen-Rhodes wrote:And people like Mallorea and Riva will revel in it, even as they become kings of an empty game.
Unibot III wrote:Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Yeah, uh-huh. It's also apparently about high-handed superiority and vain declarations to how much better you are than everyone else. Plus the mind-boggling irony of an R&Der presuming to look down his nose on other players' supposed duplicity and dirty dealings.
Glen-Rhodes is just as much of a WA Author as you are, Kenny. When was the last time you wrote and drafted an actual proposal? Glen's been a champion for less duplicity and corruption in Gameplay, the fact that he is calling for it in the WA too is not hypocrisy as you suggest, but consistency.
by Hakio » Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:49 am
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Glen-Rhodes wrote:And people like Mallorea and Riva will revel in it, even as they become kings of an empty game.
My vindictive gameplay personality should be kept separate from my GA personality thank you very much. They don't cross over and are quite distinct. Besides I would never unseat King Koopman.
I support the effort of the Dourian Delegation in this political jujitsu. I'm of the opinion that it was brilliant and that those who are criticizing it are simply jealous that they didn't think of it first. Or they are proponents of the repeal in which case their moral outrage really isn't worth anyone's serious consideration.
Pandeeria wrote:Racism is almost as good as eating babies.
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