[PASSED] Liberate Anarchy

[G-Tech Corporation]

As an observing nation who is new to the community as a whole, I am probably asking a really stupid question, so please bear with me. If a region has no password (and, if liberated by SC decree, cannot be given one until/unless the liberation is repealed), how can delegates eject and ban nations from that region? Won't those nations be free to just enter the region again, or is there some method outside of password protection that prevents banned nations from returning?

In answer to your question; banning and ejection are two separate affairs. Ejection merely removes a nation from a region, in which case they are free to return if they wish to do so as long as a password is not in place. "Banjection", the act of ejecting and banning a nation, prevents that nation from returning to the region they were ejected and banned from in any way, shape, or form, as long as they are on the Ban list.

[Shaktirajya]

I added "Anarchy" to my dossier long ago, and I appreciated all the links to various Anarchist sites and literature, as well as all the anarchist 'Nations' created. Will this liberation actually do anything to kick out these Black-Rider dickheads and return the region to what it once was? Why couldn't some other sh*t region have been invaded instead?

[United Empire of Montieton]

As a nation I can not and will not support the liberation of anarchy.
Anarchy has no government therefor I will not recognize any state that claims to be anarchist.
The United Empire of Montieton votes no.

[Farnhamia]

I added "Anarchy" to my dossier long ago, and I appreciated all the links to various Anarchist sites and literature, as well as all the anarchist 'Nations' created. Will this liberation actually do anything to kick out these Black-Rider dickheads and return the region to what it once was? Why couldn't some other sh*t region have been invaded instead?

*** Warned for flaming ***

[The Execrated States]

I must say that I am thoroughly confused. I thought the point of the World Assembly was to act as a simulation of the United Nations, with a heavy emphasis on satire of course. In reading this topic, however, the only arguments against this resolution are that the OP has horrendous grammar, misspells every other word, and that someone else should have the authorship. Perhaps I'm a bit cynical, but I think bad grammar and taking credit for the work of others are two things that closely mirror the real world United Nations, and thus the resolution author is doing a great job. The dissenting nations are the ones that seem to be falling short, at least in my opinion, by arguing that the resolution shouldn't stand based solely upon those two facts. After all, when was the last time you heard of a UN Ambassador having actually read a resolution? Now, if you want to convince me that you deserve a vote against this, get in character and start arguing why this is a bad idea. Tell me about how your invasion was to save the native population of pigmy pigmies, who were threatened with genocide for refusing to conform to modern standards in height and weight. Or how the government of Anarchy was secretly imposing a Democratic Republic upon its' citizens and so you invaded in order to restore Anarchy back to anarchy to preserve the heritage of a region that was at risk of sliding into a state of chaos without a centralized anarchistic government.

[Eist]

Dude. What on Earth are you talking about?

Your dislike of the UN is both irrelevant here, and borne from a deep misunderstanding of what they do.

[Czertovia]

In the Name of the Lord of Lords, the Highest Authority, the Judge of all Judges, blessed be Thy Hallowed Halls.

With regards to the issue of Anarchy's pending resolution for its liberation, the UKC takes a stand not to support such a move by the world's majority.

1) The Lord had granted Anarchy to its invaders and it is fate. Is it not the nature of authorities of the world to rise and fall? Attaining glory only to eventually degrade and perish only to be remembered in history? Anarchy was not a business of any other region or nation not in its dominion, and it never will be.

2) 'Liberation' must be struck-off as an action that the Security Council can exercise. The Council must not be a curtain that cowards hide in and then express their desires for the region. We very well no that they have interests in the region and wish to profit in some way from their 'liberation'. A plan for 'Liberation'? Or second-hand neo-colonialism?

The Lord be my Witness.
Forgive thy Lord-Servant
HRH Foreign Correspondence Office
United Kingdom & Principalities of Czertovia

[The Execrated States]

Dude. What on Earth are you talking about?

Your dislike of the UN is both irrelevant here, and borne from a deep misunderstanding of what they do.

You missed the "emphasis on satire" part. Or, more likely, you ignored it. Regardless, my statements still stand. From what I understand the World Assembly is intended to be a gross exaggeration of the real world UN, correct? As such, it seems perfectly logical that members of the WA would participate in all the nefarious acts ascribed to real world politicians with reckless abandon, which includes putting forward resolutions and supporting laws that they have never read, or that are written badly so that no one can interpret them, or claiming the hard work of others as their own. Now I don't believe this was the intent of the OP. I think he just submitted a poorly written resolution which was later fixed by others who then told him it was fine to take credit. But to argue that the resolution should be removed based solely upon the OP's poor grammar and whether he deserves the authorship seems like more of a personal attack than a dissenting opinion and would fall outside the confines of NationStates. Any argument outside of those confines is moot in my opinion. Should someone wish to argue the validity of the OP's authorship, it should be done within the confines of NationStates and not as a personal attack in an attempt to discredit the resolution.

[Port blood]

ut to argue that the resolution should be removed based solely upon the OP's poor grammar

No mention has been made about the grammar....just one funny remark about a misplaced '

whether he deserves the authorship seems like more of a personal attack

How exactly is my personal opinion of that he doesn't deserve the WA authorship badge based on a resolution be barely wrote anything of a personal attack?,it's at most a attack on the way the badges are given out

not as a personal attack in an attempt to discredit the resolution.

....how exactly does who is the author a attempt to discredit the resolution? if anything GRO would give more swing to the resolution

You also missed the biggest argument in the thread:the resolution will turn the region into a warzone

[Shaktirajya]

*** Warned for flaming ***

Apparently you are a champion of form over substance. Like a moralist chiding someone for their language without understanding that it was entirely merited.

I can't believe the region was allowed to be flooded in the first place. The fact that an interesting region with tons of good information about a political philosophy was destroyed by miscreants just shows how anti-intellectualism not only is tolerated, but championed in Nation-States

[Mallorea and Riva]

*** Warned for flaming ***

Apparently you are a champion of form over substance. Like a moralist chiding someone for their language without understanding that it was entirely merited.

I can't believe the region was allowed to be flooded in the first place. The fact that an interesting region with tons of good information about a political philosophy was destroyed by miscreants just shows how anti-intellectualism not only is tolerated, but championed in Nation-States

Raiding is perfectly legal per ns rules. The region wasn't flooded. Frankly I fail to see why the region deserves the help of the SC.

[RiderSyl]

*** Warned for flaming ***

Apparently you are a champion of form over substance. Like a moralist chiding someone for their language without understanding that it was entirely merited.

Nah, Farn is just a moderator warning someone for breaking the rules of the site.

I can't believe the region was allowed to be flooded in the first place. The fact that an interesting region with tons of good information about a political philosophy was destroyed by miscreants just shows how anti-intellectualism not only is tolerated, but championed in Nation-States

It's funny how you're trying to spin this into some war on intellectualism. Regions of all types have been raided and occupied in NS history, so that's silly to say. Also, it was "allowed" because raiding is a legal part of gameplay, like Mall said.

[Shaktirajya]

Raiding is perfectly legal per ns rules. The region wasn't flooded. Frankly I fail to see why the region deserves the help of the SC.

Because before the raid, the region disseminated information about a political philosophy and was oriented around that political philosophy, and then it got replaced by some guys playing games...

[RiderSyl]

Because before the raid, the region disseminated information about a political philosophy and was oriented around that political philosophy, and then it got replaced by some guys playing games...

Less politics, more fun. So, basically, we did the internet a favor.

[Port blood]

Because before the raid, the region disseminated information about a political philosophy and was oriented around that political philosophy, and then it got replaced by some guys playing games...

Less politics, more fun. So, basically, we did the internet a favor.

I wish this was facebook so i could like this post

[Shaktirajya]

Less politics, more fun. So, basically, we did the internet a favor.

If I want fun, I'll go snort coke off a girl's bottom.

[Meepcraftia]

Dude. What on Earth are you talking about?

Your dislike of the UN is both irrelevant here, and borne from a deep misunderstanding of what they do.

You missed the "emphasis on satire" part. Or, more likely, you ignored it. Regardless, my statements still stand. From what I understand the World Assembly is intended to be a gross exaggeration of the real world UN, correct? As such, it seems perfectly logical that members of the WA would participate in all the nefarious acts ascribed to real world politicians with reckless abandon, which includes putting forward resolutions and supporting laws that they have never read, or that are written badly so that no one can interpret them, or claiming the hard work of others as their own. Now I don't believe this was the intent of the OP. I think he just submitted a poorly written resolution which was later fixed by others who then told him it was fine to take credit. But to argue that the resolution should be removed based solely upon the OP's poor grammar and whether he deserves the authorship seems like more of a personal attack than a dissenting opinion and would fall outside the confines of NationStates. Any argument outside of those confines is moot in my opinion. Should someone wish to argue the validity of the OP's authorship, it should be done within the confines of NationStates and not as a personal attack in an attempt to discredit the resolution.

I agree. Everybody please go back to talking international affairs instead of bickering about grammar and authorship.

[Port blood]

I agree. Everybody please go back to talking international affairs instead of bickering about grammar and authorship.

So you would allow a plagiarized resolution with the grammar of a 5 year old pass to voting?

In all seriousness though:the first draft was full of illegalities,which GRO fixed,so i put forward the notion that he should be the one submitting it,about 4 posts were made discussing it
I'm not sure where exactly you see bickering about the grammar,unless you mean the misplaced ' i pointed out as a joke

Moreover there were also concerns about the region in question turning into a warzone,guess you read over that eh?

[Vanor-Al-Habarj]

Despite the fact that (nearly) everyone here is in condemnation of this piece of legislation, and despite the fact that you all advanced fairly valid reasons for voting against it (even if it was "I'm one of the occupiers"), the vote still looks like passing, 8500 to 1800.
I applaud your marvelous power over the SC.

Also, it's strange, but I don't yet see that massive war zone over St Abbadon.
Yet.

[RiderSyl]

If I want fun, I'll go snort coke off a girl's bottom.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Despite the fact that (nearly) everyone here is in condemnation of this piece of legislation, and despite the fact that you all advanced fairly valid reasons for voting against it (even if it was "I'm one of the occupiers"), the vote still looks like passing, 8500 to 1800.
I applaud your marvelous power over the SC.

Also, it's strange, but I don't yet see that massive war zone over St Abbadon.
Yet.

Yet.

Also, as you've noted, the ignorance of the masses is a glorious thing to behold. The language any GA or SC measure is coached in is generally far more important than the content, to be frank; if we called Liberations "Border Destructions", they'd probably pass far less frequently.

[Vanor-Al-Habarj]

Despite the fact that (nearly) everyone here is in condemnation of this piece of legislation, and despite the fact that you all advanced fairly valid reasons for voting against it (even if it was "I'm one of the occupiers"), the vote still looks like passing, 8500 to 1800.
I applaud your marvelous power over the SC.

Also, it's strange, but I don't yet see that massive war zone over St Abbadon.
Yet.

Yet.

Also, as you've noted, the ignorance of the masses is a glorious thing to behold. The language any GA or SC measure is coached in is generally far more important than the content, to be frank; if we called Liberations "Border Destructions", they'd probably pass far less frequently.

Liberations are the opiate of the masses

[Shaktirajya]

So what exactly will this liberation do? I doubt Anarchy will return to its awesome former glory as an organ for disseminating information about Anarchism. Hasn't "Nazi Europe" been liberated and not liberated once or twice and nothing happened?

[G-Tech Corporation]

So what exactly will this liberation do? I doubt Anarchy will return to its awesome former glory as an organ for disseminating information about Anarchism. Hasn't "Nazi Europe" been liberated and not liberated once or twice and nothing happened?

It will prevent any natives who assume the delegacy from adding passwords to the region in the foreseeable future, and prevent TBR from installing a password in the unlikely event that they stick around for the months required to refound the region.

That's literally it. Pointless, in essence.