[DISCARDED] Commend Auralia

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And the answer is, one hour and ten minutes.

[Applebania]

The non-compliance, god-modding shenanigans that Auralia has pulled that have been raised in this thread are good reasons for a condemnation rather than good reasons for opposing a commendation - a nation can be simultaneously commended and condemned after all. We should be discussing the merits of the draft submitted, not looking for reasons outside of the draft.

Nonetheless this draft reads in the main as a rehash of the other four - if they failed to pass, what does this draft offer to change that trend?

The Applebanian delegate stands.
"That's my eventual ambition!"

[Hirota]

And the answer is, one hour and ten minutes.

It's also been attempted before.

[Schirmerland]

I rise In support of this. Auralia is a great nation

[Afrasiab]

By slapping a WA badge on the nation based upon his GA activities you are at the very least implying that his noncompliance is commendable. To argue otherwise is disingenuous.

That is simply not true. Auralia's contributions to the GA are distinct from his non-compliance, and one can commend him for the former without commending him for the latter. I really don't understand why you can't seem to grasp this point.

Because it's unnecessary wanking that goes against the RP conventions of the GA.

So what? Why is that a necessary barrier to commendation?

His efforts to repeal GAR 2 are worthy of international ridicule and scorn, not commendation.

I beg to differ, as I am sure do many.

Nonetheless this draft reads in the main as a rehash of the other four - if they failed to pass, what does this draft offer to change that trend?

The other four drafts were never submitted.

So pretty much anything useful as been mentioned i would think,so i would recommend OP submit or dismiss this draft as this thread seems to get into a infinite loop

We agree. We will submit this draft shortly.

[Sciongrad]

That is simply not true. Auralia's contributions to the GA are distinct from his non-compliance, and one can commend him for the former without commending him for the latter. I really don't understand why you can't seem to grasp this point.

How does that make any sense. I don't claim to know how the Security Council works, but I assume it at least tries to be consistent with the rest of the World Assembly. So again, I ask, why is it a good idea for the Security Council to repudiate the General Assembly's validity by rewarding an individual, who has otherwise been a positive and notable individual within the WA, that ignores World Assembly resolutions? Simply stating "because I'm not commending him for that!" is intellectually disingenuous.

So what? Why is that a necessary barrier to commendation?

Are you kidding me? Because half of the draft is how he's been a positive influence on the WA! How is anyone supposed to take that argument seriously when he simultaneously ignores accepted World Assembly convention?

[Afrasiab]

So again, I ask, why is it a good idea for the Security Council to repudiate the General Assembly's validity by rewarding an individual, who has otherwise been a positive and notable individual within the WA, who ignoring World Assembly resolutions?

I really don't understand why you believe that a commendation constitutes tacit approval for everything a nominee has ever done, which clearly isn't the case.

Are you kidding me? Because half of the draft is how he's been a positive influence on the WA! How is anyone supposed to take that argument seriously when he simultaneously ignores accepted World Assembly convention?

Because even after taking into account his non-compliance, Auralia has had a substantial positive influence on the World Assembly.

[Port blood]

the topic title should be updated to [submitted]

[Hakio]

I must remind any newcomers to this thread that on Auralia's factbook he publicly discloses his noncompliance towards WA Resolutions #15, #91, and #128. They confiscate medical equipment to give a person an abortion, deny a gay person's right to marry, and refuse to acknowledge transgender rights.

[Port blood]

I think that was pretty clear from the 3 pages hammering on about it....

[Vrolondia]

GRATEFUL for Auralia's many technical and administrative contributions to the General Assembly and the NationStates community at large, including:

• a comprehensive list of passed General Assembly resolutions by author,
• a tool that allows nations to easily communicate with a vast number of other nations,
• another tool that allows nations to easily manage protectorates;

Is this part even Legal?

*Edit*

Real World References: Anything that happens outside the borders of the NationStates community is invisible to the nations and regions inside it. Maybe you-the-player knows that Obama won the 2008 US election. The regions and nations don’t. RW references are illegal.

Doesn't look like it.

Question of the hour: RW Reference of NSG mods, is that Legal or Illegal?

[SkyDip]

What the hell are you talking about? You don't understand that rule if you think that clause is illegal.

[Ramaeus]

What the hell are you talking about? You don't understand that rule if you think that clause is illegal.

The only POSSIBLE way I could see that clause being illegal is the term "NationStates community", and even then, that's a huge stretch, as that term is perfectly legal. Vrolondia missed the mark with that one.

[Vrolondia]

What the hell are you talking about? You don't understand that rule if you think that clause is illegal.

The only POSSIBLE way I could see that clause being illegal is the term "NationStates community", and even then, that's a huge stretch, as that term is perfectly legal. Vrolondia missed the mark with that one.

Commend Anime Daisuki just got tossed out for mentioning "the game", I figured it was the same thing with different wording, which it pretty much is. I also know that mentioning real world references are illegal, so I wasn't sure if custom mods for NSG would be accepted or not. I messaged Kryozerkia and asked about it, he said it would be best to remove "Nationstates Community", but I'm waiting on a second opinion from Sedge.

Not a stupid question, just ignorant of the inner workings of the WA. How about instead of being big jerks about it you two actually correct me?

[Ramaeus]

Commend Anime Daisuki just got tossed out for mentioning "the game", I figured it was the same thing with different wording, which it pretty much is. I also know that mentioning real world references are illegal, so I wasn't sure if Mods to NSG would be accepted or not. I messaged Kryozerkia and asked about it, he said it would be best to remove "Nationstates Community", but I'm waiting on a second opinion from Sedge.

Not a stupid question, just ignorant of the inner workings of the WA

The pertinent part is near the bottom of the post.

[Afrasiab]

The only POSSIBLE way I could see that clause being illegal is the term "NationStates community", and even then, that's a huge stretch, as that term is perfectly legal. Vrolondia missed the mark with that one.

Commend Anime Daisuki just got tossed out for mentioning "the game", I figured it was the same thing with different wording, which it pretty much is. I also know that mentioning real world references are illegal, so I wasn't sure if Mods to NSG would be accepted or not. I messaged Kryozerkia and asked about it, he said it would be best to remove "Nationstates Community", but I'm waiting on a second opinion from Sedge.

The term "NationStates community" is legal, per this ruling.

[Vrolondia]

Commend Anime Daisuki just got tossed out for mentioning "the game", I figured it was the same thing with different wording, which it pretty much is. I also know that mentioning real world references are illegal, so I wasn't sure if Mods to NSG would be accepted or not. I messaged Kryozerkia and asked about it, he said it would be best to remove "Nationstates Community", but I'm waiting on a second opinion from Sedge.

The term "NationStates community" is legal, per this ruling.

See, now I know. Thank you

[SkyDip]

Why is it the job of the jerk to correct you? Look it up yourself. Those kind of things aren't hard to find - in fact, they're pinned right at the top of the forum.

[Vrolondia]

Why is it the job of the jerk to correct you? Look it up yourself. Those kind of things aren't hard to find - in fact, they're pinned right at the top of the forum.

Don't you think I tried that? I looked through the ones I could find, but if I didn't know I was wrong I wouldn't know where to look to be right, would I?
If I don't know what the correct answer is when I'm wrong I can't fix the problem, can I?

Ergo, correcting me would be more beneficial over insulting so I can know I'm wrong and why, instead of Your wrong, and also and idiot for not knowing the obscure answer to your question

[Ramaeus]

Don't you think I tried that? I looked through the ones I could find, but if I didn't know I was wrong I wouldn't know where to look to be right, would I?
If I don't know what the correct answer is when I'm wrong I can't fix the problem, can I?

Currently, there are four threads that are pinned on The SC forum. One of them is for passed SC resolutions, the second is a guide to The SC, the third is a compendium of Mod rulings and general advice, and the forth is the list of SC rules. It seems to me that the third and forth pinned threads would be the first places to look. If you couldn't find your answer in the rules, then it seems obvious to me that you should go to the compendium of Mod rulings.

[Vrolondia]

Don't you think I tried that? I looked through the ones I could find, but if I didn't know I was wrong I wouldn't know where to look to be right, would I?
If I don't know what the correct answer is when I'm wrong I can't fix the problem, can I?

Currently, there are four stickies on The SC forum. One of them is for passed SC resolutions, the second is a guide to The SC, the third is a compendium of Mod rulings and general advice, and the forth is the list of SC rules. It seems to me that the third and forth stickies would be the first places to look. If you couldn't find your answer in the rules, then it seems obvious to me that you should go to the compendium of Mod rulings.

Unless of course you haven't set foot in the WA in almost five years, in which case you wouldn't know what it is you're looking for, where to find it, or if it even exists... I'll keep that in mind though as a reference on where to find things for the future, thank you.

[Ramaeus]

Well, this looks like it will go to vote at the next update. Congrats to the author.

[Port blood]

Why is it the job of the jerk to correct you? Look it up yourself. Those kind of things aren't hard to find - in fact, they're pinned right at the top of the forum.

Don't you think I tried that? I looked through the ones I could find, but if I didn't know I was wrong I wouldn't know where to look to be right, would I?
If I don't know what the correct answer is when I'm wrong I can't fix the problem, can I?
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A small tip:
in most browsers you can press ctrl+f to open a search bar for the page,making it easy to find rules in big topics

[Vrolondia]

Don't you think I tried that? I looked through the ones I could find, but if I didn't know I was wrong I wouldn't know where to look to be right, would I?
If I don't know what the correct answer is when I'm wrong I can't fix the problem, can I?
[/i]

A small tip:
in most browsers you can press ctrl+f to open a search bar for the page,making it easy to find rules in big topics

Okiedokie Doctor Sarcasmo -_-

[Port blood]

A small tip:
in most browsers you can press ctrl+f to open a search bar for the page,making it easy to find rules in big topics

Okiedokie Doctor Sarcasmo -_-

That wasn't sarcasm :S I was trying to help out :S