[Passed] Repeal "Against Corruption"

[Abacathea]

lol it took two of you to draft this?! I hope I could have banged out a better repeal in less than two minutes myself. Your grammar is even worse than in the resolution you are trying to repeal because of its grammatical issues.

You, Dourian et al., have correctly identified that the resolution is flawed, but why you felt that your repeal is adequate to pass into legislation is beyond my comprehension. The missing space before the first parentheses is literally killing me. I'm dying.

AGAINST. If Dourian et al. wants to put a modicum of effort in to this repeal effort, I will happily support it.

I won't change that(in fact included it deliberately after someone criticized my regular use of it not too long ago). That's just how I type. If you have any other issues, I'd love to know them, but they're not critical flaws that change the meaning of whole clauses, so yeah... that.

You're equating "grammatical issues" with "using the wrong word". When it comes to grammatical issues(except for maybe, the misspelling of a resolution's title), we're a very lenient body. When it comes to a missing period, an extra comma... we don't care too much. I've never seen a repeal effort based on that, and if we did it would fail.

You are aware that there is a difference between correct grammar and using a word that changes the meaning of a clause, right? Or(and I find this possibility much more likely), maybe you just decided not to read any of the debate here?

I had this exact argument when I was passing the repeal for "Assitance(sic) Givers Protection,". Enough typos and grammatical issues are enough to torpedo a piece. A few, however, are reasonable and expected.

OOC: Because we're not the UN and we don't have fifty people working for us to correct these kinds of things. Stuff falls through the cracks. It's an acceptable break from reality, and you really need to lighten up.

Can I use this argument the next time the Abacathean "it's" appears in a proposal and the grammar nazis come kicking my ass?

[The Akashic Records]

Can I use this argument the next time the Abacathean "it's" appears in a proposal and the grammar nazis come kicking my ass?

That's a completely different problem, given that the placement of the apostrophe will change the meaning of the word.

[Abacathea]

Can I use this argument the next time the Abacathean "it's" appears in a proposal and the grammar nazis come kicking my ass?

That's a completely different problem, given that the placement of the apostrophe will change the meaning of the word.

It's also a singular mistake that i have an unfortunate problem of making at least once per draft. The point I was making was regarding the tiny error that can go unnoticed.

[The Akashic Records]

That's a completely different problem, given that the placement of the apostrophe will change the meaning of the word.

It's also a singular mistake that i have an unfortunate problem of making at least once per draft. The point I was making was regarding the tiny error that can go unnoticed.

That's why we have drafting sessions

[The Dourian Embassy]

I sometimes make that mistake. I usually go on a word search for "it's" and "its" before I submit just in case. Though I've gotten a LOT better at it in the last few months(in fact when I read it now, it really sticks out to me, whereas before I might not've noticed).

And I wouldn't say it's "ok". It bothers me that the chemical weapons repeal is missing a period at the end, for instance. It should bother you, it should be something you try your best to avoid, but when it happens, don't beat yourself up too much for it.

Unless of course the error completely changes the meaning of something. Then it's the same as any other flaw.

[Abacathea]

I sometimes make that mistake. I usually go on a word search for "it's" and "its" before I submit just in case. Though I've gotten a LOT better at it in the last few months(in fact when I read it now, it really sticks out to me, whereas before I might not've noticed).

And I wouldn't say it's "ok". It bothers me that the chemical weapons repeal is missing a period at the end, for instance. It should bother you, it should be something you try your best to avoid, but when it happens, don't beat yourself up too much for it.

Unless of course the error completely changes the meaning of something. Then it's the same as any other flaw.

Oh don't misunderstand me gang. It seriously pisses me off when one gets through. This was meant to be lighthearted joking! Lol

[Imperializt Russia]

The World Assembly,

Understanding the inherent problems of bribery and corruption,

Respecting the intent of the "Against Corruption"(WA #248),

Disbelieving, however, that the issue of corruption and bribery are issues of international import,

Noting that the clause on the subject of individuals and organizations contains a typo which was acknowledged yet never corrected,

Further noting that the typo of using the word "nation" rather than "organization" creates a severe flaw in the resolution, forcing organizations to be responsible for the independent actions of every employee, rather than protecting them from rogue actions as intended,

Believing that the definitions of bribery are overly broad, encompassing a wide variety of actions which are normal and reasonable in a political system, including, but not limited to: campaign donations, gifts of any kind, and monetary compensation.

Cognizant of the fact that these broad but mandatory restrictions force court systems to decide both the intent of the giver, and both the intent of and the value a receiver places on a gift.

Believing that the appropriateness of a gift giving is much easier to ascertain on a local level than through international legislation.

Hereby repeals "Against Corruption"(WA #248).

Not 100% certain, but I would assume saying something is a "typo" is not good form around here. Makes it sound as if this were some kind of game to me!

Your cognizant line is fundamentally flawed because courts are forced to decide intent on a daily basis. That's a common aspect of both civil and criminal courts.

And finally, you cannot base an argument for repeal on NatSov reasons alone, so "Believing that the appropriateness of a gift giving is much easier to ascertain on a local level than through international legislation." would surely fall afoul that rule.

I'm not totally opposed to a repeal, though. Though if I did, of course, saying "I won't support this." would be totally acceptable.

Perhaps if the NatSov were put forward in the vague framing of something like "due to cultural differences, international oversight on the sending and receiving gifts may not be appropriate"?

[Araraukar]

No offence, Dourian, but drafting outside of the GA forum doesn't really count.

Horsefeathers. Back in the old days - (the Jolt days) - there used to be a half dozen offsite forums dedicated to proposal drafting.
Personally, I think it is better that way. These days the stranger's bar often gets bumped to the bottom of page 2 for goodness sake!

I meant it doesn't count for drafting period, since it's not under the magnifying lense of everyone around here. Even if you'd been drafting it for 5 months on an offsite forum, if it's only up for 5 days here before submitting, you're going to get comments.

[Abacathea]

Horsefeathers. Back in the old days - (the Jolt days) - there used to be a half dozen offsite forums dedicated to proposal drafting.
Personally, I think it is better that way. These days the stranger's bar often gets bumped to the bottom of page 2 for goodness sake!

I meant it doesn't count for drafting period, since it's not under the magnifying lense of everyone around here. Even if you'd been drafting it for 5 months on an offsite forum, if it's only up for 5 days here before submitting, you're going to get comments.

To a certain extent I see your point and agree that you're right in what you're saying, but given most of the heavyweight delegates don't weight in here until it's submitted then all the forum veterans here can really provide is additional critique assuming that 5 month external drafting left any to be warranted. The vote is decided usually by those whom do not debate internally.

[Araraukar]

The vote is decided usually by those whom do not debate internally.

Pfft, the vote is usually decided by the aggressiveness of the TG campaign and the fluffiness of the title.

But this is threatening to become a real threadjack, so not going to continue on the subject.

[Mosktopia]

Mosktopia votes FOR. Whether or not one believes that bribery is a topic of international concern, "Against Corruption" contains a ridiculous wording mistake that unfortunately changes the whole meaning of one of the main provisions of the law. It's a flawed law, and the WA should take pains to seek out and remove flawed laws from the books.

[United Bobtopia]

It is with a glad heart that I vote in favor of this repeal.

In our country it is an old joke that an honest politician is one who stays bought, but there's always been a kernel of truth in that. Since this legislation went into effect, corruption became more widespread rather than less. Instead of the process being open, it went underground, with vested interests setting up political action campaigns to stealthily influence politicians, rather than registering their bribes with the public electoral offices as was our policy before hand.

Enough about us, however. The true danger was in the blind passing of legislation merely because it had a nice sounding title. One could craft a bill mandating the wearing of flippers as long as you called it "The Dolphin Empathy Act" or some such.

I am not saying that there is no issue involved in corruption. What i do say is that there is no single solution. Let us find areas we can al agree on, and craft smaller, less disruptive, bills to solve the problem.

A strong "yea" from United Bobtopia.

[Separatist Peoples]

Good lord, do I ever vote "Yea". If I didn't extort funds, bribes, and other sundry political favors from ambassadors desperate to use the third floor men's room my office, I'd never end up paying off my bar tab.

[WallaWakkaWalla]

While for the most part, we would agree with this resolution, W3 does feel that there must be a clear bright-line standard throughout the world to say something is just a gift and something is is intended to sway power. Therefore, we will, for the first time since joining the WA, ABSTAIN from this vote, unless our Region's votes swing heavily one way or the other.

[Parti Ouvrier]

It is with a glad heart that I vote in favor of this repeal.

In our country it is an old joke that an honest politician is one who stays bought, but there's always been a kernel of truth in that. Since this legislation went into effect, corruption became more widespread rather than less. Instead of the process being open, it went underground, with vested interests setting up political action campaigns to stealthily influence politicians, rather than registering their bribes with the public electoral offices as was our policy before hand.

Enough about us, however. The true danger was in the blind passing of legislation merely because it had a nice sounding title. One could craft a bill mandating the wearing of flippers as long as you called it "The Dolphin Empathy Act" or some such.

I am not saying that there is no issue involved in corruption. What i do say is that there is no single solution. Let us find areas we can al agree on, and craft smaller, less disruptive, bills to solve the problem.

A strong "yea" from United Bobtopia.

We concur with this sentiment. The less open it is the more it favour big corporations. In our state, this legislation has been used to inhibit trade union affiliated politicians.

Support from Parti Ouvrier.

[The Eternal Kawaii]

In the Name of the Eternal Kawaii, may the Cute One be praised

We rise in favor of this proposed repeal. As the representatives here may remember, the passage of GAR #248 had a disastrous effect on the world economy--many nations found their economic ratings collapsing immediately after passage. To correct it, our delegation attempted a repeal of this well-intentioned but misguided law, but unfortunately to no avail. We wish the author of this repeal greater luck in their attempt.

[Kenidia]

Would it not be better to propose an alternative to this resolution? The majority of the resolution is effective, repealing it would cause a negative impact on the world at large. It would be a better use of our time to amend the resolution, keeping its positives and removing the issues stated in this appeal for repeal.

[Frisbeeteria]

It would be a better use of our time to amend the resolution

Proposals cannot be amended. It's the law.

[Weed]

Would it not be better to propose an alternative to this resolution? The majority of the resolution is effective, repealing it would cause a negative impact on the world at large. It would be a better use of our time to amend the resolution, keeping its positives and removing the issues stated in this appeal for repeal.

As said above. But not to worry, my schedule frees up after tomorrow so I'll have the old draft back up then. It won't be down for long!

[Kenidia]

Would it not be better to propose an alternative to this resolution? The majority of the resolution is effective, repealing it would cause a negative impact on the world at large. It would be a better use of our time to amend the resolution, keeping its positives and removing the issues stated in this appeal for repeal.

As said above. But not to worry, my schedule frees up after tomorrow so I'll have the old draft back up then. It won't be down for long!

So do you plan to reproprose this act with necessary adjustments after this has been repealed?

[NatSov]

Would it not be better to propose an alternative to this resolution? The majority of the resolution is effective, repealing it would cause a negative impact on the world at large. It would be a better use of our time to amend the resolution, keeping its positives and removing the issues stated in this appeal for repeal.

As said above. But not to worry, my schedule frees up after tomorrow so I'll have the old draft back up then. It won't be down for long!

We shall prepare to contest your proposed replacement every step of the way.

[Weed]

As said above. But not to worry, my schedule frees up after tomorrow so I'll have the old draft back up then. It won't be down for long!

So do you plan to reproprose this act with necessary adjustments after this has been repealed?

Yes. Though probably not immediately after.

[Nova Nacio]

Nova Nacio will only vote in solidarity with Skyrim participants. Whomever screwed this up, however, has a lot to answer for - deletion of corruption in general should always be a priority of sentient beings everywhere.

[Separatist Peoples]

Nova Nacio will only vote in solidarity with Skyrim participants. Whomever screwed this up, however, has a lot to answer for - deletion of corruption in general should always be a priority of sentient beings everywhere.

And yet it rarely seem to be a priority for those benefiting from the corruption...After all, the bar tabs here get quite high...

[Abacathea]

As said above. But not to worry, my schedule frees up after tomorrow so I'll have the old draft back up then. It won't be down for long!

We shall prepare to contest your proposed replacement every step of the way.

Oh yay, a nation formed entirely for the purpose of arguing against every single WA resolution, nice to be forewarned that I might have to be adding my first individual to my ignore list so as not to have my threads (which will undoubtedly go against you no matter what it is) hijacked with bullshit.