[PASSED] Commend Krulltopia

[Cerian Quilor]

You don't run this thread and quite frankly I don't care what one of Krulltopia's sycophants thinks either.

Feux may not run the thread, but no one here wants to engage with you.

[Feux]

Thanks for the thought and offer, Feux. Since it was just editing one piece, I shall decline.

Ok. If you change your mind, you are always welcome to telegram me.

[Velika Zeta]

The Free and Fair Republic of Velika Zeta is AGAINST this proposal and I urge my fellow Lake of Pissians to listen to their delegate and also vote AGAINST this proposal.


I oppose this mainly on ideological backgrounds. Krulltopia is a belligerent dictator state that rules the Pacific with no thought of implementing any kind of democracy. Furthermore, our great republic has observed that Krulltopia has a circle of puppets that do it's bidding to make sure power resides with Krulltopia.


The fair people of our republic believe in two values.the two D's, Democracy and Defense. Armed forces are for defending against invaders and spreading democracy. Not for personal use of one dictator to throw his weight around and destroy other regions, regardless of how f***ed up their ideology is. Velika Zeta's love of self earned democracy is a key reason for disapproving of this resolution as Velika Zeta believes that Regions should hold fixed term elections for delegacy, but hey, that's Velika Zeta's opinion, da?

Finally noting this proposal is clearly yet another way the "great powers" of this World (Nation States) circlej*rk each other.


TL;DR : I am thoroughly against this proposal.

[TheMilitaryOrderof Scandia]

RE: Commend Krulltopia


Further Recognizing Krulltopia as the first Pacific Delegate to ban the obsolete and disruptive practice of Regional Message Board (RMB) advertising, a decision which encouraged other Pacific governments to follow suit, resulting in encouraged international interaction within the Pacific regions; and mindful of the importance of free speech and press within the Pacific.


The problem with this particular clause is that it supresses free speech and press within that region; between other nations and regions. The Pacific Region being a feeder region where new nations and recriuting are bound to take palce I would recommend this instead.

Further Recognizing Krulltopia as the first Pacific Delegate to ban the obsolete and disruptive practice of Regional Message Board (RMB) advertising, a decision which encouraged other Pacific governments to follow suit, resulting in encouraged international interaction within the Pacific regions; and mindful of the importance of free speech and press within the Pacific among the residents there.

If this change is made to the resolution i may vote for it otherwise We vote no.

[Yavapai]

This gives more reasons to condemn Luxembourg, than to commend Krulltopia in my opinion.

[Fotar]

Since the incident in which I was hacked is a major part of this proposal, I wish to say that I am still to this day very grateful to Krulltopia and others who alerted me of the situation before it got out of hand. However, I am not voting for this only out of gratitude; I feel it is deserved. FOR

[Zarkanians]

Zarkanians refuses to commend, or to be involved in the commendation of, any nation of, or relating to, bunnies. Therefore, we must vote AGAINST this motion.

[TheMilitaryOrderof Scandia]

@Yavapai


I must admit your point is well taken because in this case the region is a feeder if this weren't the case than the adminstrators of those regions that are not feeders (in the game) have an obligation to ensure the stability of thier regions which is why we are presently AGAINST.

[Likako]

With all due respect to Krulltopia, what is the purpose of this commendation? I can name countless nations who have served their relative regions for longer and more effectively than this commendee. Is it because he rules a feeder region? If so then that is elitist beyond measure considering that someone sits in a region that does not have to worry about recruitment or CTEing. If not then what about this that puts Krulltopia above and beyond the countless other great leaders?

[Glath]

I support this, mainly because of Krulltopia's stance against badspam. It seems an obvious decision now, but he was the first to do it when it was controversial.

[Lesbia]

AGAINST!

[Panshu]

Meh. Krull's a nice guy, and this commendation does make some good points. I'm pretty ambivalent about this, but I'll just say FOR at present.

[Good Sir]

With all due respect to Krulltopia, what is the purpose of this commendation? I can name countless nations who have served their relative regions for longer and more effectively than this commendee. Is it because he rules a feeder region? If so then that is elitist beyond measure considering that someone sits in a region that does not have to worry about recruitment or CTEing. If not then what about this that puts Krulltopia above and beyond the countless other great leaders?

Running a feeder is not overly fun or awesome or easy. I'm not going to get into which I believe is worse/harder, but while running a UCR probably does require more time (now questionable with autorecruitment so easy), running a feeder requires much more propoganda/PR long-term planning and consideration. I've done both. They're each hard in their own way. And there is a Commendation on the books recognizing Fudgetopia, the longest serving feeder delegate ever, until Krull broke that record recently. So if you believe the claims are true in the resolution at least to me it seems like there is a good case for recognizing Krull.

[Terravoss]

Once again, what has Krull done to warrant a badge? Nothing as far as I can see. Being in power for 3 years is enough these days? Pretty sad all the way around, and as such have voted against this witlessness.

[Caviar]

I shall abstain from voting. I could change my mind but I have not chosen a side yet.

[Grobladonia]

I've voted (via a puppet) against this. The first three points are essentially praising him for being a dictator and holding on to power. And those aren't even the only points where the same idea is mentioned.

[Likako]

With all due respect to Krulltopia, what is the purpose of this commendation? I can name countless nations who have served their relative regions for longer and more effectively than this commendee. Is it because he rules a feeder region? If so then that is elitist beyond measure considering that someone sits in a region that does not have to worry about recruitment or CTEing. If not then what about this that puts Krulltopia above and beyond the countless other great leaders?

Running a feeder is not overly fun or awesome or easy. I'm not going to get into which I believe is worse/harder, but while running a UCR probably does require more time (now questionable with autorecruitment so easy), running a feeder requires much more propoganda/PR long-term planning and consideration. I've done both. They're each hard in their own way. And there is a Commendation on the books recognizing Fudgetopia, the longest serving feeder delegate ever, until Krull broke that record recently. So if you believe the claims are true in the resolution at least to me it seems like there is a good case for recognizing Krull.

Thanks for confirming by point. The mere fact of running a feeder even as long as Krull has is not commendable. If you removed the feeder from the equation and replaced with an UCR for which he had shown equal dedication and service as well as longevity of commitment, I''d wager that no one would bother writing a commendation for him, but because this is a feeder region it somehow seems more important. I do not deny things are different in feeders as opposed to UCRs, but those differences are not enough in my eyes to warrant any elevated levels of privilege.

Winning elections and staying in power is not a commendable act by any measure. Being a dedicated servant to the region can be considered commendable at most to the region itself, but if the SC is now commending people for being a great leader to their region then let the floodgates come open.

[Cerian Quilor]

The floodgates were opened some time ago.

[A mean old man]

Against, on the basis of the author alone. Already turned the Security Council into tragedy with one piss poor resolution, no need to keep up the trend.

But this, unlike the others, is actually well written...

Now who shall we credit with that, hm?

Good work on pushing this to quorum, Feux. Premature congrats on what looks like a successful commendation attempt, Krull. Nuts to you, Anie-inSanie.

[All Good People]

I have voted in favor of the Commendation. IMO it is long overdue. Well done Krull.

[Likako]

The floodgates were opened some time ago.

So we should just let it destroy what little respect this institution has left? I urge everyone to vote against this resolution because Krull has done nothing that effects any other region but his own, and it is to the region's task t commend him internally, not continue this sham of batting each other on the back every time someone does something good for his own region.

[Feux]

The floodgates were opened some time ago.

So we should just let it destroy what little respect this institution has left? I urge everyone to vote against this resolution because Krull has done nothing that effects any other region but his own, and it is to the region's task t commend him internally, not continue this sham of batting each other on the back every time someone does something good for his own region.

Please don't make me go through resolutions just to prove you wrong.

[Cerian Quilor]

So we should just let it destroy what little respect this institution has left? I urge everyone to vote against this resolution because Krull has done nothing that effects any other region but his own, and it is to the region's task t commend him internally, not continue this sham of batting each other on the back every time someone does something good for his own region.

Please don't make me go through resolutions just to prove you wrong.

His point is that a bad resolution is bad even if equally bad ones (under his construction) were passed in the past. I have to agree with his view that just because crap has been passed, more crap should be passed.

That said, I don't think this is crap.

[Ponderosa]

I withdrew my vote on this, realizing that I did not know enough about Krulltopia's achievements to make an informed descision. That said, I have a few questions and comments.

The Security Council,

Recognizing Krulltopia as the current World Assembly Delegate of The Pacific and Emperor of the New Pacific Order (NPO), the governing body of The Pacific;

Noting that Krulltopia has reigned in The Pacific for well over three years after being appointed the position of Delegate by the previous Emperor of the New Pacific Order, Moo-Cows with Guns;

The fact that Krulltopia was appointed, as well as the existance of an endocap, is my main concern. Is Krulltopia open to elections, at least when a highly respected opponent is involved? That may be enough to convince me.

Further Noting that, over the course of those three plus years, Krulltopia has worked tirelessly and meticulously with only the aid of a few, very close allies to maintain the flawless security and stability of The Pacific, while promoting the safety of the other Pacific regions;

Acknowledging, as an example of the aforementioned dedication to regional security, Krulltopia’s exposure of former Balder Delegate Luxembourg when the nation was found to have infiltrated and gained control of assets owned by Balder’s former Vice Delegate, Fotar, and planned to use what the nation had stolen to assume complete control of Balder’s forums, usurp and cripple the nation of Fotar, and forcibly take control of the entire region of Balder;

Understanding that this exposure of Luxembourg’s corruption allowed the nation’s scheme to be halted preemptively before any significant damage could be done to Balder and to the nation of Fotar;

Fair enough. This alone is a very good argument.

Further Recognizing Krulltopia as the first Pacific Delegate to ban the obsolete and disruptive practice of Regional Message Board (RMB) advertising, a decision which encouraged other Pacific governments to follow suit, resulting in encouraged international interaction within the Pacific regions;

Fair enough as well; the Pacifics are spammy enough as it is.

Conceding that, while regional autocracies and meritocracies are not popular outside The Pacific, this system, which is now faithfully maintained and honoured by Krulltopia, has lasted in the region since antiquity, and is accepted and supported by all loyal and devoted denizens;"

Since you say that this system is supported by loyal and devoted denizens, what you are essentially saying is "this system is supported by Krulltopia's supporters." Not exactly compelling.

The vote is locked anyways, but it would be nice to see these points addressed.

[Feux]

The fact that Krulltopia was appointed, as well as the existance of an endocap, is my main concern. Is Krulltopia open to elections, at least when a highly respected opponent is involved? That may be enough to convince me.

Nope. He is not open to elections. It is the NPO.

Since you say that this system is supported by loyal and devoted denizens, what you are essentially saying is "this system is supported by Krulltopia's supporters." Not exactly compelling.

I think all governments consist of supporters of that government.