PASSED: Liberate the Security Council !!

[Oh my Days]

The proposal may not be understood by all players, but that is a universal problem with WA proposals especially for the SC. It's not really a reason not to post it, otherwise nothing would ever get done but it is admittedly not the best gauge of support for the split of the two bodies. That has already been gauged though, and it's quite clear that people do want to split the two. This proposal is a great way of starting the changes in-character. Everything in the WA is roleplayed, the people who are affected by GA proposals don't really exist but that's not the point.

[Unibotian WASC Mission]

Hell yea. But they've been doing it for 6 years, so why should they stop

Don't expect them to, I've often thought of putting together a GA proposal that mandates putting babies on spikes and calling it "The Child Protection Act". Just to see if it was able to get legs.

OOC: It would (almost certainly) be deleted as illegal, because there's already been a ruling that the content of a NSUN GA proposal has to match the title.

Unless of course there was clause pertaining to how their brutal execution is 'protecting' them from the harsh reality of life.

[Mavenu]

Hell yea. But they've been doing it for 6 years, so why should they stop

Don't expect them to, I've often thought of putting together a GA proposal that mandates putting babies on spikes and calling it "The Child Protection Act". Just to see if it was able to get legs.

OOC: It would (almost certainly) be deleted as illegal, because there's already been a ruling that the content of a NSUN GA proposal has to match the title.

Unless of course there was clause pertaining to how their brutal execution is 'protecting' them from the harsh reality of life.

surprisingly, this has happened. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2009/10/21/bc-merritt-murder-trial-schoenborn-testifies.html

[Unibotian WASC Mission]

Hell yea. But they've been doing it for 6 years, so why should they stop

Don't expect them to, I've often thought of putting together a GA proposal that mandates putting babies on spikes and calling it "The Child Protection Act". Just to see if it was able to get legs.

OOC: It would (almost certainly) be deleted as illegal, because there's already been a ruling that the content of a NSUN GA proposal has to match the title.

Unless of course there was clause pertaining to how their brutal execution is 'protecting' them from the harsh reality of life.

surprisingly, this has happened. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2009/10/21/bc-merritt-murder-trial-schoenborn-testifies.html

Yeah I heard about that on the news, terrible stuff. I actually thought of writing a short story based off of the subject.

Anyways...

[Southern Bellz]

+25 Points for "Was created to make a point"
-25 Points for "No one got the point"

Quite true considering the following quotes:

just so you know a liberation gets rid of a password on a region. your region has no password. this thing is pointless

this thing is pointless.

Just because you didn't receive a point from Santa Claus, doesn't mean that there are no points at all. It just means that you've been a bad boy/girl this year and didn't study hard enough in school to get it. [The] SC may not seem busy most of the time, but when there is something needing liberating, commending, or condemning, they're the nations with a plan to uphold the Switzerlandishness of the WA! (NEUTRAL FTW!)

I like the SC and i think we should get the same, no wait MORE importance than the GA, but i think this "Liberation thing" seems more a joke than a real revolution. So i'm sorry, i support your cause, but i'll vote aganist.

SUPPORT THE REVOLUTION (and I guess the resolution)! Liberate the Security Council!

I'm pretty sure I get it. I admit I didn't understand what was going on at first and it is because I don't come here on a regular basis. I think a lot more people are confused about this than you would think, not every nation comes to this part of the NationStates forum. Also, I would seriously like to know what the resolution would accomplish besides hogging up the voting floor?

Sure it makes a point about how the SC/WA need to be split. That's it. It is not a good gage of popular opinion on the matter, it passing doesn't mean the result of this is the SC/GA split. This idea is already brought to the attention of the admins, and there were much better ways on bringing the idea up to the public. (Which I get a feeling is the justification the creator uses for making this proposal)

[Southern Bellz]

Its not illegal, otherwise Ardchoille wouldn't have encouraged it.

If you read my post on the subject upside down and backwards, while processing -- skyclad -- nine times widdershins round a cathedral in the dark of the moon, you might be able to interpret it as encouragement.

The post I saw linked to earlier as my "encouragement" was in fact encouraging the idea of using C&Cs in this way, to make political statements. To use a Liberation proposal for the purpose seems to me to be using a chainsaw to open an egg. I had expected, once [violet] had agreed to the changes you were seeking, that there would be a Getting Help request to kill this.

However, I didn't delete it because it is legal as it stands, and I assume the other Game Mods/Admins who take an interest in the SC came to the same conclusion. As far as I can make out from Pyth's explanations, it's not that a region with a Founder can't be Liberated, just that there isn't much point in doing it. Topid, as Founder, can still password the region. However, if Topid goes MIA for a while, Unibot (or whoever is then Delegate) is going to have an ... interesting time, I would think.

If the SC wants to spend its time debating something it's already achieved -- and, by the approvals that weren't withdrawn, a fair slew of you evidently do -- it's not my job to stop you. The NS UN had to find out in practice how far its remit extended, and this chamber has to too. The NS UN's Enodian Conventions took a while to hash out, and then gave way to Hack's and Fris's Proposal Rules. Earlier proposals that would have been illegal under later rules stayed on the books, they were just not invoked/worked around/repealed, when that became possible. There's no reason the SC can't evolve in the same fashion.

So I can't say I encourage it, but then, I'd probably have told the original Boston Tea Party folk not to waste all that lovely tea. If you need a symbol, I guess this is as good as any.

Your moderating style, I feel, is the best I have seen on this site. I get a real sense you care for the players and the game, and it seems your main goal is to just let players play. I don't know how many times people say this to you, but thank you and keep up the good work.

[Unibotian WASC Mission]

Also, I would seriously like to know what the resolution would accomplish besides hogging up the voting floor?

• In-Character Transition of the WA
  
• A bit of a founding document for the new SC
  
• Prevents invaders from keeping the "Security Council" as a trophy region, if Topid died as founder.
  
• Makes me laugh
  
• Fills my telegram box with inquiries, spam, and genuinely bizarre messages (.. do you like cheese? ect.)
  
• Puts the reasons for the WA to be divided down on paper, paper which will exist till the end of the game, for new players to read for years to come.

and there were much better ways on bringing the idea up to the public

Got any suggestions? The way I see it, you came here out of curiosity -- So it worked, didn't it?

[Unibotian WASC Mission]

I had expected, once [violet] had agreed to the changes you were seeking, that there would be a Getting Help request to kill this.

Oh and I didn't do that because before I knew it the proposal had 120 endorsements in the queue, and delegates were flooding my message box with "this is the best proposal ever!", and I certainly wasn't going to be the one to steal Christmas from them! Thanks Ard. Its different not having a proposal deleted before going to vote atleast once... it feels rather odd.

[Southern Bellz]

As a member of The South Pacific, I always welcome using the RMB as a non-recruitment tool to talk about real NationStates issues. The eyes are there, as well as people willing to talk. If you want to get anything talked about on the TSP RMB, feel free to Telegram me. We can work what you want to talk about into a news story for a news paper and create a win-win for the both of us. We get an article for our news paper- you get something you want to talk about in a very public forum.

[Unibotian WASC Mission]

As a member of The South Pacific, I always welcome using the RMB as a non-recruitment tool to talk about real NationStates issues. The eyes are there, as well as people willing to talk. If you want to get anything talked about on the TSP RMB, feel free to Telegram me. We can work what you want to talk about into a news story for a news paper and create a win-win for the both of us. We get an article for our news paper- you get something you want to talk about in a very public forum.

Its funny to note how the WA as far as I know was never covered very much by these sort of newspapers previously, but as the SC has opened the grounds for gameplayers these sort of mock newspapers have been crawling everywhere. I feel like a substantial newspaper for NationStates to document the trials of the SC actually have a chance (I've seen my share of NS newspapers fail miserable) as the Security Council is breaking new ground.

[Southern Bellz]

Currently in TSP we are in the planning stages of a Newspaper reboot, which I want to cover a lot of topics, as well as have an international writer base. If you are interested in helping (specifically in the WA SC part) I would more than welcome you to come. The benefit about doing this in a feeder is the instant eyes from our RMB.

[Unibotian WASC Mission]

Okay, count me in.

I suppose you'll want an article about my proposal and what it entails... no?

[The Magic Spirit]

I don't see how this act is doing anything actionable. First it determines a couple of problems, then it announces it liberates the council. If there are naysayers voting, how will accepting this resolution actually change anything?

I'll be voting against this until someone can give a satisfying answer as to how this act works.

[Bears Armed]

Also, I would seriously like to know what the resolution would accomplish besides hogging up the voting floor?

[list][*] In-Character Transition of the WA
[*] A bit of a founding document for the new SC
[*] Prevents invaders from keeping the "Security Council" as a trophy region, if Topid died as founder.
[*] Makes me laugh
[*] Fills my telegram box with inquiries, spam, and genuinely bizarre messages (.. do you like cheese? ect.)

That isn't "bizarre", it's a perfectly sensible question: Do you like cheese?

^_^

[Topid]

Despite having 12 hours left at vote, The Security Council resolution Liberate The Security Council was passed 3,465 votes to 1,215!

[Unibotian WASC Mission]

Those fucking gnomes,

According to this respected grammar nazi ambassador it was probably removed for having too many grammar mistakes..

Respected leaders of the Unibotian WASC Mission -

Your current WA liberation resolution states that you are "Aware of the difference between the Security Council and these successful establishments lies not in their ideals, but their organization." This is improper grammar. You should have utilized the word "that" where you have utilized "of," and "in" should have been placed before "their organization." (The entire sentence contains errors too numerous to mention here... the foregoing suggestions cover only a few of them.)

Also, your resolution effectively begins and ends as such: "We the Peoples of the Security Council... liberates the Security Council." "Peoples" do not "liberates" - - they "liberate" (without the "s").

Admittedly, our nation is not a major player in the entities comprising the World Assembly. However, we know a poorly-worded resolution when we see one. For better or worse, yours is not the first. Nonetheless, we are tired of seeing them. Improper grammar in a WA resolution reflects poorly upon the abilities of the nation that drafted it. Quite beyond that, the credibility of the world community must be called into question when it winks at the impropriety by adopting such a resolution. For these reasons, we cannot support your resolution. Furthermore, we recommend that you pull the resolution from consideration (if that remains an option) and resubmit it after editing it.

Nevertheless I'm pleased to see the proposal passed, but other than that, I'm giggling like a school girl at how ridiculously perfect of an conclusion this is for the proposal, yet pissed off that I couldn't get a list of delegates who approved/disapproved it before it exploded into a fireball of extradimensional inanity.

Oh the irony.

[Unibotian WASC Mission]

My proposal has done what Gatesville & Anti-WA has wanted to do for ages --- I've killed the World Assembly !!

[Charlotte Ryberg]

Honoured ambassador to Unibotian WASC Mission,

Best. Liberation. Ever.

Yours etc,

[Sedgistan]

I wouldn't go quite that far, but I'm still delighted this passed

[The Blaatschapen]

Personally I think it was a waste of time, and a real liberation or a normal GA resolution could have gone to the floor in the meanwhile Both are better than what in my opinion is a mere joke proposal (the region has a founder, there's no need to liberate )

[The Rich Port]

I still do not understand what this is all about...

[Unibot]

Personally I think it was a waste of time, and a real liberation or a normal GA resolution could have gone to the floor in the meanwhile Both are better than what in my opinion is a mere joke proposal (the region has a founder, there's no need to liberate )

There were no other proposals in the queue. Ambassador.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Despite having 12 hours left at vote, The Security Council resolution Liberate The Security Council was passed 3,465 votes to 1,215!

It passed on schedule. It came to vote around 9 a.m. four days ago and passed around 9 a.m. this morning. It might have seemed quick, but so do a lot of WA votes.

EDIT: If it said it still had 12 hours to go just before it passed, then the time stamp could simply be wrong. Post in Technical.

[Unibotian WASC Mission]

Despite having 12 hours left at vote, The Security Council resolution Liberate The Security Council was passed 3,465 votes to 1,215!

It passed on schedule. It came to vote around 9 a.m. four days ago and passed around 9 a.m. this morning. It might have seemed quick, but so do a lot of WA votes.

EDIT: If it said it still had 12 hours to go just before it passed, then the time stamp could simply be wrong. Post in Technical.

The Timestamp was off then, it did say it would have 12 hours to go when it passed. Last night it said it would have a day to go, but it ended 12 hours short of that.

[The Blaatschapen]

Perhaps the timestamp was off because of the techy stuff that was taking place yesterday(this morning)?