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Postby Goobergunchia » Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:11 pm

Proposal No. 1330302720, "Medical Provisions in Blockade" (submitted by Damanucus), having received the requisite 75 approvals, has attained quorum. Question to be put in seven days three hours forty-eight minutes.
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Postby Moronist Decisions » Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:26 pm

Congratulations, and good luck.

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Postby Damanucus » Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:27 pm

Moronist Decisions wrote:Congratulations, and good luck.

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Thank you Dr.

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Postby Earth Federation » Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:04 am

PLEASE VOTE FOR THIS PROPOSAL!!! I NEED A LITTLE INCREASE IN ECONOMY TO REACH 100/100 :D
Connopolis and Damanacus i like your proposal then you have my full support!!!
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Postby Dukopolious » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:52 am

Earth Federation wrote:PLEASE VOTE FOR THIS PROPOSAL!!! I NEED A LITTLE INCREASE IN ECONOMY TO REACH 100/100 :D
Connopolis and Damanacus i like your proposal then you have my full support!!!

This probably wouldn't do that. It's strength is "Significant" and to get 100, you need a very strong issue.
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Postby Earth Federation » Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:31 am

Dukopolious wrote:
Earth Federation wrote:PLEASE VOTE FOR THIS PROPOSAL!!! I NEED A LITTLE INCREASE IN ECONOMY TO REACH 100/100 :D
Connopolis and Damanacus i like your proposal then you have my full support!!!

This probably wouldn't do that. It's strength is "Significant" and to get 100, you need a very strong issue.


The last proposal approved to increase free trade has increased my index by 1 point... then i think that 99/100 is feasible.
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Postby Tibberiria » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:02 am

For. A very necessary measure.

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Postby Kowalewski » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:08 am

I am shocked and appalled that the World Assembly would dare tread into an Important aspect of warfare.
for is it not the same morpheme that helps in operations that allows a nation to send the same solders back to battle?
is it not true that drugs used to help insomnia could also be turned into a part of gas warfare?
and not to mention that the point of a blockade is the COMPLETE denial of any and all supplies?
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Postby Falcania » Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:01 am

That's right, Mr. Albert, let us permit nations to starve other nations into submission. Cruel and unusual warfare has no place in the World Assembly, in my view.
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Postby Damanucus » Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:43 am

Kowalewski wrote:for is it not the same morpheme that helps in operations that allows a nation to send the same solders back to battle?
is it not true that drugs used to help insomnia could also be turned into a part of gas warfare?


And if you read the resolution, it actually prevents these things which you claim from happening:
Medical Provisions in Blockades wrote:Dispensing medical supplies and professional medical personnel transported under these terms among the populace of the blockaded member-nation on a per-needs basis, ensuring that said medical supplies are used for non-military, medical purposes, and said professional medical personnel are not assigned to military positions.

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Postby Wulfaria » Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:57 am

Voted: For.

Although, smugglers can use this as "cover" to smuggle various weapons, prohibited supplies, etc...

I know, I am being paranoid :)

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Postby Sergovistan » Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:00 am

The Federal Republic of Sergovistan will vote -for- however rebels are excluded as they are not considered a nation.

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Postby Darastrix » Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:51 am

The main issue I have with this proposal is that under most military training soldiers are given first-aid or combat life-saver training. As the current wording would allow these individuals to pass through the blockade. This proposal needs to expressly forbid use of military personel in any capacity. Until this provision is included HRH William of Darastrix has asked that our delegation vote against this piece of well intentioned legislation.
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Postby Damanucus » Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:42 am

Darastrix wrote:The main issue I have with this proposal is that under most military training soldiers are given first-aid or combat life-saver training. As the current wording would allow these individuals to pass through the blockade. This proposal needs to expressly forbid use of military personel in any capacity. Until this provision is included HRH William of Darastrix has asked that our delegation vote against this piece of well intentioned legislation.


Almost. I refer you to this clause:
Medical Provisions in Blockades wrote:"Professional medical personnel" as any qualified individual (or group thereof) that delivers medical advice, assistance and/or examination as a primary part of their job.

Now, soldiers would disqualify in this respect, as their primary duty is as a combatant, and not as a medical advisor.

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Postby Falcania » Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:23 am

Wulfaria wrote:Voted: For.

Although, smugglers can use this as "cover" to smuggle various weapons, prohibited supplies, etc...

I know, I am being paranoid :)

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Nowhere does the proposal prohibit searching of such vessels.
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Postby Damanucus » Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:38 am

Falcania wrote:
Wulfaria wrote:Voted: For.

Although, smugglers can use this as "cover" to smuggle various weapons, prohibited supplies, etc...

I know, I am being paranoid :)

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Nowhere does the proposal prohibit searching of such vessels.

It was covered by "Humanitarian Transport"; see the legality ruling.

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Postby Jahiranna » Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:48 am

I voted against this because sapient life isn't narrowly defined enough. If its definition were to be only human, bearing in mind that it doesn't disallow nations agreeing to a broader meaning outside of the World Assembly, I would be able to agree with this.

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Postby Damanucus » Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:43 am

Jahiranna wrote:I voted against this because sapient life isn't narrowly defined enough.


That was deliberate. Read the first page of the record.

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Postby Elcric Kcalb » Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:11 am

Elcric Kcalb has voted AGAINST this proposal, but it seems that it shall pass regardless of our say in the matter.

We do, however, note that this proposal does not explicitly prohibit the boarding of these vessels or the confiscation of the majority of the medical supplies they are carrying. As such, any "medical supply ship" attempting to move through a blockade imposed by Elcric Kcalb will be stripped of all medical supplies and equipment, save for exactly one bottle of cough syrup.

After that, the "medical supply ship" will be permitted to move through the blockade and dispense its sole bottle of cough syrup as it has been directed.

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Postby Noodly Appendage » Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:39 am

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Postby Knootoss » Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:09 am

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Memorandum of Understanding
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GENERAL ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION # 186
Medical Provisions in Blockade


The government of the Dutch Democratic Republic of Knootoss, having opposed the proposal "Medical Provisions in Blockade" during the quorum stage and the voting stage, must nonetheless concede that the proposal is likely to be adopted as General Assembly resolution #186. Having received the advice of the Staten-Generaal and the the Council of State, the Government of the Dutch Democratic Republic of Knootoss submits its interpretation of the terms of the proposal in a formal Memorandum of Understanding.

Scope of protection

    "Medical supplies" and "Professional medical personnel", as defined in General Assembly resolution #186, shall only be protected insofar as items and persons that cannot be used for both civilian and military purposes. Medical supplies or personnel that might conceivably be used, directly or indirectly, for military purposes shall not be protected by the provisions of the resolution. "Military purposes" shall include the potential treatment of soldiers in the military force of the blockaded nation.

    Furthermore, if the transportation of medical supplies or personel might indirectly lead to the re-purposing of the resources of the blockaded nation away from the medical needs of the civilian population and towards military purposes, these items and persons shall not be accorded protection by General Assembly resolution #186.

    "Conveying", as defined in the resolution, shall be deemed to include all items and persons that are being transported, not just registered passengers or items in the cargo hold. Furthermore, if there is a risk that the transport itself might be seized and re-purposed by the blockaded nation for military purposes, it shall not be accorded protection by the provisions of the resolution.

Procedure

    The operators of the transport shall, at all times, have the duty to contact the blockading units of the Knootian Defence Force if they wish to register a claim that their transport is protected by General Assembly resolution #186. Any transport that fails to contact blockading units of the Knootian Defence Force or refuses to submit to an inspection shall be considered to be in breach of the blockade. The commanding officer of the Knootian Defence Force inspection team shall be the judge of compliance with General Assembly resolution #186.

    Transport operators may appeal against the judgement of the commanding officer of the Knootian Defence Force inspection team in the domestic courts in the Dutch Democratic Republic of Knootoss. In the absence of a legal ruling on the vessels' status as a transport protected by General Assembly resolution #186, the Knootian Defence Force is authorised to enforce the blockade.

    The Knootian Defence Force shall be authorised to escort any transport that attempted to send medical supplies and/or professional medical personnel alongside other items to the blockaded nation back to their country of origin. The government of the Dutch Democratic of Knootoss shall demand full reimbursement for any costs incurred during the escort of these transports.

Exclusion of World Assembly staff

    In accordance with GENERAL ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION # 2, Rights and Duties of WA States, the World Assembly as a body maintains neutrality in matters of civil and international strife. The Dutch Democratic Republic of Knootoss will not permit employees the World Health Authority or any other organisation of the World Assembly to enter a blockaded territory under the WA banner, if there is a risk that their presence might in any way affect the outcome of civil or international strife in the blockaded nation.
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Postby Stovokor » Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:45 am

I have to stand with Ambassador Ponte on this one; it isn't exactly the most humane idea, and it is something that needs to be stamped out. It is especially inhumane to restrict access to medications and medical help from people who are otherwise innocent; especially, if one is suffering from a fatal illness, one which requires medication available in a blockaded country, it seems a little illogical to disallow its transport because of a blockade—as I said in the resolution, human life is more important than international politics.

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This is all nice and fine if we lived in a perfect world where combatants are clearly defined and wore very obvious uniforms. In fact that leads me to an idea, lets make our next silly issue, having all the worlds militarizes dance around in brightly colored uniforms so we know exactly what can be defined as an enemy.

Cynicism aside the truth is we live in a world full of human beings who as we all know, do not play by the rules if they can get away with it. A perfect example would be terrorists. Now naturally no one is saying that they should have to due to the very nature of their existence. It merely should be noted that this is a fact of life. This said I should ask a question, what is humane about war? The answer as we all know is very little, especially with such weapons that no matter how little collateral damage they claim to create they still cause such damage which is in response blown out of proportion by any form of media.

Now the main focus of this topic at vote is what is humane. Is it humane to provide medical supplies to possible combatants that hide within the civil populous that you are blockading only so they will be allowed to hold them (the civilian populous) hostage even longer? This allowing for more possible casualties by the occupying force and possible destruction of property which my destabilize the region. I.E. power plants, water processing systems.
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Postby Delegate Vinage » Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:32 am

I, Lothar Prolark, World Assembly Delegate of Europeia will be voting AYE on this proposal after a 5/0 internal vote in favour of said actions. I further note that is is good to finally see this proposal on the World Assembly floors. May it serve us well.

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