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Qumkent
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Postby Qumkent » Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:41 am

Buchanan-1 wrote:why is my question on funding being ignored?

:)



Perhaps because the matter of funding is a non-issue, the funds will as normal be drawn from the General Fund unless otherwise indicated within the statute.


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Charlotte Ryberg
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:33 am

The honoured ambassador to Charlotte Ryberg opposes this resolution, because we feel that it may be more efficient to mandate member states' own food standards authorities to monitor the safety of food with a few basic rules under the resolution's belt to follow. Of course, we do not want adulterated food but does a resolution of this kind really require a committee at an international scale?

Nevertheless, we commend the honoured ambassador to Greenlandic People for being aware of the need to tackle adulteration of food, but we feel this resolution would function much better without a committee, instead, just a few basic rules and member states' own food standards authorities to enforce it. Oh, and in our opinion, the category of best fit would be "social justice, mild". I cannot predict how this would affect the economy too negatively, because a resolution like this would increase consumer confidence, albeit not too much.
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Buchanan-1
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Postby Buchanan-1 » Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:58 pm

I think the funds that would be used for this would be better spent aiding needy countries in securing better quality food and water. No need to police what other wealthy countries already have in place.

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Postby Qumkent » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:08 pm

Buchanan-1 wrote:I think the funds that would be used for this would be better spent aiding needy countries in securing better quality food and water. No need to police what other wealthy countries already have in place.



There are already WA laws dealing with food poverty, nations with little or no good quality food are already provided it by WA law your Excellency. Familiarise yourself with the canon.

Yours,
Mongkha, Khan of Kashgar, Ambassador to the World Assembly for the Autonomous Principality of Qumkent, a constituent state of the Confederated Sublime Khanate of Urgench

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Leonidas Mane
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Postby Leonidas Mane » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:42 pm

The leaders of Leonidas Mane outright reject any attempt of the WA to create a global food and drug bureaucracy unanswerable to the people. This is a violation of national sovereignty and an attempt to usurp national power from the people and give it to global elites. Like other overbearing agencies in other nations, the power of such an agency will become a unnatural commercial monopoly in which large corporations will be able to influence while smaller, more innovative companies will lose out.

This proposal must fail for the sake of economic and personal freedom around the world.

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Greenlandic People
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Postby Greenlandic People » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:48 pm

Leonidas Mane wrote:The leaders of Leonidas Mane outright reject any attempt of the WA to create a global food and drug bureaucracy unanswerable to the people. This is a violation of national sovereignty and an attempt to usurp national power from the people and give it to global elites. Like other overbearing agencies in other nations, the power of such an agency will become a unnatural commercial monopoly in which large corporations will be able to influence while smaller, more innovative companies will lose out.

This proposal must fail for the sake of economic and personal freedom around the world.


Great. Surely you can prove it, then?

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Leonidas Mane
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Postby Leonidas Mane » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:57 pm

Greenlandic People wrote:
Leonidas Mane wrote:The leaders of Leonidas Mane outright reject any attempt of the WA to create a global food and drug bureaucracy unanswerable to the people. This is a violation of national sovereignty and an attempt to usurp national power from the people and give it to global elites. Like other overbearing agencies in other nations, the power of such an agency will become a unnatural commercial monopoly in which large corporations will be able to influence while smaller, more innovative companies will lose out.

This proposal must fail for the sake of economic and personal freedom around the world.


Great. Surely you can prove it, then?

Yours,

Sigismund Ibsen,
World Assembly Delegate of Lavinium


'EMPOWERS the WAFDRA order the closure of any food and drug regulatory facilities that are found to repeatedly fail to succeed in ensuring the quality of the products being inspected; the closure shall be carried out by national law-enforcement "


This clause specifcally gives the WAFDRA sweeping powers over not only business, based on arbitrary rules, but national law enforcement who's time is better spent on national crime and not sating the whims of an unanswerable global agency.

Quality assurances are best left to local powers, not global do-gooders.

Anyone who believes in national sovereignty must vote against this. Anyone who is for this is against the freedom of their citizenry.

Amb. Thia Kokolos
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Lanochea
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Postby Lanochea » Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:16 pm

The people of Lanochea have come to the conclusian that this bill is very well writen and We back it 100% :clap:



From, The Republic Of Lanochea

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Crumblestan
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Postby Crumblestan » Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:10 pm

The Supreme Lord and Commander of The Grumpy Old Armed Republic of Crumblestan has voted against this and urge all other nations to do so as well. This is as dangerous as the last resolution and these decisions should be left to the nations themselves.

There is no description of the creation method nor composition of the WAFDRA. There is no provision for oversight of the WAFDRA. The broad authority and regulation will never be able to manage local issues. If Crumblestan has an epidemic isolated to Crumblestan and Crumblestan wishes to create and deliver a medicine to its population, I promise you now, Crumblestan will not abide by any opinion of this to be defined WAFDRA body. We will deliver medicine to our playthings people as we see fit.

Who will sit on the WAFDRA? What are the qualifications? This is madness.

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Greenlandic People
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Postby Greenlandic People » Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:11 pm

OOC: It's illegal for a resolution to specify who serves on the committee
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Bovidia
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Postby Bovidia » Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:38 pm

The resolution had been debated at rumination circles for ages before their delegation to the World Assembly was allowed to officially declare Bovidia's position. Of course, in Bovidia, the debate had not centered so much about the merits of the proposal, but rather what exactly what a "food and drug industry" was. After all, farming did not exist in Bovidia in the same sense as it did in other parts of the world, and most Bovids preferred simply to eat whatever they could find. Some of the rumination circles argued that the resolution would help to prevent the famines which occasionally afflicted parts of Bovidia; others thought that it would serve to raise the standard quality of food so that even the sub-dominant members of certain groups would have access to melons and other delicacies. Since only one in tens of thousands of Bovids is literate, all these interpretations were accepted as valid because almost no one could actually read the document.

And therein lay the reason for the relative delay in informing their delegation how to vote. It finally came to pass that, unless some decision was reached soon, the Federation would miss out on its first ever chance to chime in to the World Assembly. When Her Honor Etil Nombiaecalf, the Grand Representative to the Supreme Council from the Subfamily Reduncinae and one of the very few Bovids able to count, noticed that the vast majority seemed to be favoring the passage of the resolution, the scales tipped. Most Bovids have a strong herd reflex and, despite the resistance of some mavericks like the steenbok, Delegate Ulbago Ulbagacalf let the Assembly know of the Supreme Council's decision to vote for the resolution.

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Inane Domain
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Postby Inane Domain » Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:58 pm

The Borderlands of Inane Domain has decided to officially vote against the Food and Drug Standard Resolution and urges other nations to do so. This was done for a number of reasons, one being that the proposed WAFDRA seems to carry far to much power. Inane Domain is concerned as to whom this group will answer to, and how nations will be assured that the group is doing its job correctly. Considering that, at its will, it may shut factories down and keep them closed Inane Domain is also left to wonder what of the poorer nations? What if an abundance of factories are shut down and food and drug production is almost halted to a standstill for a nation? Again, WAFDRA seems to have far to much power in a world where corruption and grudges exist rampantly. It should remain up to the nations to maintain themselves on these such matters, not a international police force of consumables.

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Doctor Cyclops
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Postby Doctor Cyclops » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:56 pm

Qumkent wrote:
Buchanan-1 wrote:I think the funds that would be used for this would be better spent aiding needy countries in securing better quality food and water. No need to police what other wealthy countries already have in place.



There are already WA laws dealing with food poverty, nations with little or no good quality food are already provided it by WA law your Excellency. Familiarise yourself with the canon.

Yours,



Attention, everyone! The WA has eradicated starvation by passing a resolution!

Laughable.

I suggest you familiarize yourself with reality.

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Teaberry
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Postby Teaberry » Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:22 am

We note with some amusement that our opposing statement was met with attacks against the statement, with nary a single defence of the proposal.

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Postby Qumkent » Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:17 am

Doctor Cyclops wrote:
Qumkent wrote:
Buchanan-1 wrote:I think the funds that would be used for this would be better spent aiding needy countries in securing better quality food and water. No need to police what other wealthy countries already have in place.



There are already WA laws dealing with food poverty, nations with little or no good quality food are already provided it by WA law your Excellency. Familiarise yourself with the canon.

Yours,



Attention, everyone! The WA has eradicated starvation by passing a resolution!

Laughable.

I suggest you familiarize yourself with reality.




Your Excellency may choose to believe in a reality in which the WA can do anything more than right laws, provide funding and insure enforcement of it laws to deal with an issue but we do not. The point we were addressing was that apparently the WA must need deal with food poverty prior to dealing with food quality, we simply pointed out that this sequence had in fact been followed.

Perhaps your Excellency should bother to read through the record of debate before jumping to foolish and frankly rather rude presumptions about the content of any particular contribution.


Yours,
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Postby Qumkent » Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:19 am

Teaberry wrote:We note with some amusement that our opposing statement was met with attacks against the statement, with nary a single defence of the proposal.



Is it not a great pleasure to obtain not only great satisfaction from one's occupation, your Excellency but amusement also ? We congratulate your Excellency.


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Postby Buchanan-1 » Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:36 am

Qumkent wrote:
Buchanan-1 wrote:I think the funds that would be used for this would be better spent aiding needy countries in securing better quality food and water. No need to police what other wealthy countries already have in place.



There are already WA laws dealing with food poverty, nations with little or no good quality food are already provided it by WA law your Excellency. Familiarise yourself with the canon.

Yours,


So acknowledging wealthy countries already have this QA for food stuff in place and poor are provided for by WA does this not indicate no need for this resolution?

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The Altani Federation
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Postby The Altani Federation » Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:08 am

Teaberry wrote:We note with some amusement that our opposing statement was met with attacks against the statement, with nary a single defence of the proposal.


And I note with utter lack of surprise that my original queries to you (namely, if you had anything to offer other than tired natsov arguments, or if you had a better suggestion as to how to address the issue this resolution seeks to resolve) were ignored. You can indulge in all the cute yet unsubstantive remarks you please, but if you really have nothing more than snark in a can to offer, don't expect us to take you seriously.

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Postby The Altani Federation » Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:10 am

Buchanan-1 wrote:So acknowledging wealthy countries already have this QA for food stuff in place and poor are provided for by WA does this not indicate no need for this resolution?


No, because there is no guarantee that countries will put these measures into place without this resolution, wealthy or not.

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Postby Philimbesi » Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:48 am

The Altani Federation wrote:No, because there is no guarantee that countries will put these measures into place without this resolution, wealthy or not.

-Irina Misheli, Ambassador


In fact were I a betting man I'd bet they wouldn't .
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Qumkent
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Postby Qumkent » Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:31 pm

Buchanan-1 wrote:
Qumkent wrote:
Buchanan-1 wrote:I think the funds that would be used for this would be better spent aiding needy countries in securing better quality food and water. No need to police what other wealthy countries already have in place.



There are already WA laws dealing with food poverty, nations with little or no good quality food are already provided it by WA law your Excellency. Familiarise yourself with the canon.

Yours,


So acknowledging wealthy countries already have this QA for food stuff in place and poor are provided for by WA does this not indicate no need for this resolution?



Forgive us your Excellency if we have given a flase impression of the situation, certainly the food quality which WA law requires food rich nations to provide to food poor nations is expected to be of good quality however food standards over all are not regulated. Therefore food poor or food rich there is no way of being sure that all food and drugs within all WA member states is of the best quality without this statute's passage.


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Postby The Minor Countries » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:48 pm

This makes no sense. Yes maybe the whole screening and testing employes but even then they could lie and fake it. These things never work. This almost reminds me of prohibition and we all know what happened there. I vote no this can not and will not work. The world is not a fairy tale anymore. WAKE UP!!!!!!

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Postby The Altani Federation » Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:15 pm

The Minor Countries wrote:This makes no sense. Yes maybe the whole screening and testing employes but even then they could lie and fake it. These things never work. This almost reminds me of prohibition and we all know what happened there. I vote no this can not and will not work. The world is not a fairy tale anymore. WAKE UP!!!!!!


What makes no sense is your entire rambling screed. Would you care to say why this won't work, other than vague alarmist shoutyness? As for your comment about prohibition, the only way this would remind anyone (who hasn't had a bad piece of meat for dinner and is hallucinating) of prohibition would be if this resolution was somehow banning the sale of food entirely.

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Postby Doctor Cyclops » Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:21 pm

Qumkent wrote:Your Excellency may choose to believe in a reality in which the WA can do anything more than right laws, provide funding and insure enforcement of it laws to deal with an issue but we do not. The point we were addressing was that apparently the WA must need deal with food poverty prior to dealing with food quality, we simply pointed out that this sequence had in fact been followed.

Perhaps your Excellency should bother to read through the record of debate before jumping to foolish and frankly rather rude presumptions about the content of any particular contribution.


Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the record of your own posts:

Qumkent wrote:There are already WA laws dealing with food poverty, nations with little or no good quality food are already provided it by WA law your Excellency. Familiarise yourself with the canon.


I already believe in a reality in which the WA is nothing but a forum for mutual ego masturbation by toothless do-gooders who propose pointless resolution after pointless resolution. It would be better for the WA to do nothing at all, rather than waste time and money doing pointless things, wouldn't you agree?

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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:22 pm

The honoured ambassador to Charlotte Ryberg has reviewed the resolution again after pressure from the government. Although we see a committee as being a potential overkill to the purpose of this resolution rather than delegating the mandates to national food standards agency, we appreciate that we have at least a good resolution to resolve the adulteration of food, as we already commended the honoured ambassador to Greenlandic People for that reason. I wish to apologise for being far too technical, because in our opinion I've been quite focused on trying to realise resolutions that were fool-proof. Well, we were too paranoid there. Therefore we have recast our vote for this resolution.

I'm sorry, honoured ambassador to Greenlandic People, please forgive us.
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