[PASSED] Right to Petition

[Snefaldia]

So why give two shits about people who are going to ignore it anyway?

For that matter, why are autocratic states members of an organization which requires them to pass legislation that can be contrary to their tyrannical whims?

[Separatist Peoples]

So why give two shits about people who are going to ignore it anyway?

For that matter, why are autocratic states members of an organization which requires them to pass legislation that can be contrary to their tyrannical whims?

Yes, should we even bother allowing nations that aren't democratic like ourselves? What could they possibly stand to offer?

[Krioval]

So why give two shits about people who are going to ignore it anyway?

For that matter, why are autocratic states members of an organization which requires them to pass legislation that can be contrary to their tyrannical whims?

Yes, should we even bother allowing nations that aren't democratic like ourselves? What could they possibly stand to offer?

It is actually a valid question. Why would a tyrant want to follow the dictates of foreigners when they are unwilling to listen to their own people? Regardless, any person should have the right to make requests of their government without fear of reprisal.

Henrik Søgård
Imperial Chiefdom of Krioval

[Monikian WA Mission]

"A better question is, why would a democracy which hates foreigners and all things foreign want to be bothered by the dictates of foreigners."

[Black Marne]

Black Marne shall give its full support of this. The people need this, for it is a basic right. Also, who knows? Some of the petitions may actually make some excellent changes to member nations.

[Snefaldia]

So why give two shits about people who are going to ignore it anyway?

For that matter, why are autocratic states members of an organization which requires them to pass legislation that can be contrary to their tyrannical whims?

Yes, should we even bother allowing nations that aren't democratic like ourselves? What could they possibly stand to offer?

If all they have to offer is autocracy and a refusal to listen to the petitions of the people they claim to rule, then I sure as hell don't want them writing legislation that affects the citizens of Snefaldia in any way.

N. Taranton
etc.

[Separatist Peoples]

Yes, should we even bother allowing nations that aren't democratic like ourselves? What could they possibly stand to offer?

If all they have to offer is autocracy and a refusal to listen to the petitions of the people they claim to rule, then I sure as hell don't want them writing legislation that affects the citizens of Snefaldia in any way.

N. Taranton
etc.

And what is to say that just because they are autocratic means they have nothing to contribute to this assembly? Could they not still have valid views on economic policy that might form the basis of an effective resolution? Or addressing an international threat that affects all nations, regardless of freedom?

You are being narrow minded in the most extreme, sirrah. Just because a nation is ruled differently does not immediately make them worthless.

[Glen-Rhodes]

And what is to say that just because they are autocratic means they have nothing to contribute to this assembly? Could they not still have valid views on economic policy that might form the basis of an effective resolution? Or addressing an international threat that affects all nations, regardless of freedom?

Psychopaths might have genuinely good ideas on how to run asylums, but that doesn't mean we should be listening to them.

- Dr. B. Castro

[Mallorea and Riva]

And what is to say that just because they are autocratic means they have nothing to contribute to this assembly? Could they not still have valid views on economic policy that might form the basis of an effective resolution? Or addressing an international threat that affects all nations, regardless of freedom?

Psychopaths might have genuinely good ideas on how to run asylums, but that doesn't mean we should be listening to them.

- Dr. B. Castro

If they are good ideas why not listen?

[Glen-Rhodes]

If they are good ideas why not listen?

Because physchopaths running the asylum is generally not a good idea.

- Dr. B. Castro

[Mallorea and Riva]

If they are good ideas why not listen?

Because physchopaths running the asylum is generally not a good idea.

- Dr. B. Castro

Hey if a man puts forth good ideas then I'll take them into account. Besides we're talking merely about contribution, not running the whole thing. No one person or nation runs the WA, with the exception of Markanite when he feels like it.

[Glen-Rhodes]

Hey if a man puts forth good ideas then I'll take them into account.

Mallorea and Riva can feel free to take democracy pointers from dictatorships. Their choice. The rest of us would rather see the ridiculousness in that notion.

- Dr. B. Castro

[Mallorea and Riva]

Hey if a man puts forth good ideas then I'll take them into account.

Mallorea and Riva can feel free to take democracy pointers from dictatorships. Their choice. The rest of us would rather see the ridiculousness in that notion.

- Dr. B. Castro

Zakath gawked at Dr. Castro
Democracy pointers? What on earth gave you the Idea that I run this country as a democracy? I am the benevolent dictator of over one billion people. As such I feel less constrained on who I take sound advice from.

[Snefaldia]

And what is to say that just because they are autocratic means they have nothing to contribute to this assembly? Could they not still have valid views on economic policy that might form the basis of an effective resolution? Or addressing an international threat that affects all nations, regardless of freedom?

You are being narrow minded in the most extreme, sirrah. Just because a nation is ruled differently does not immediately make them worthless.

You very cleverly ignored what I suggested. Any man, woman, child, talking dog, invisible tree person, or sapient broccoli may have specialized knowledge which can aid the good of all in the World Assembly. What the government of Snefaldia will not support is the proliferation of authoritarian ideals in an organization comprised of many different governments especially where thy might impact the rights of our citizens.

It is categorically imperative for the World Assembly to safeguard the natural right of petition when there are despots who would murder their own people to cling desperately to power.

N. Taranton
etc.

[Casta Nal Expeditionary Forces Command]

Against. Violates National Sovereignty. Players have the right to govern their own nations who they see fit.

[Bisim]

For. A good step towards freeing up nations. On the debate of who can Petition, no one ever said the nation had to ACT on them.

[Bisim]

Against. Violates National Sovereignty. Players have the right to govern their own nations who they see fit.

But these petitions are form the people of the nations themselves, not form outside, which would be insane. And what do you mean by "players" please stay IC

[Knootoss]

Against. Violates National Sovereignty. Players have the right to govern their own nations who they see fit.

OOC: You know, this is the THIRD time you announce anew that you are against this. Once every page. This sure is a creative form of multiing. And by 'creative' I mean 'annoying'.

[Darenjo]

Against. Violates National Sovereignty. Players have the right to govern their own nations who they see fit.

OOC: You know, this is the THIRD time you announce anew that you are against this. Once every page. This sure is a creative form of multiing. And by 'creative' I mean 'annoying'.

OOC: it's not illegal in his case. You can see from the flags that it's the same nation. I've seen those who use puppets with different flags for multiing support/opposition get a warning (usually unofficial) from a mod.

[Knootoss]

OOC: Just for the record, I haven't forgotten this. Just given bioweapons priority. :>

[Dizyntk]

We are not in opposition to this bill. However, we do object to the narrow minded thinking being displayed by some of the Ambassadors towrads autocratic forms of government. Just because your nations do not use it does not mean it does not work perfectly fine for others.

[Speculine]

EXTENDS this right equally to companies, organizations and associations that have their headquarters in a World Assembly Member State;

We see no reason why companies, organizations, or associations deserve any right to petition. Petitions are a very personal issue and that power should never end up in the hands of an organization of any kind. They could use that power to force their employees or members to petition for their interests in order to stay an employee/member.

Because of this we stand opposed.

[Anitgrum]

The Republic of Anitgrum fully supports your proposal.

Gustavo Rivera

[Knootoss]

EXTENDS this right equally to companies, organizations and associations that have their headquarters in a World Assembly Member State;

We see no reason why companies, organizations, or associations deserve any right to petition. Petitions are a very personal issue and that power should never end up in the hands of an organization of any kind. They could use that power to force their employees or members to petition for their interests in order to stay an employee/member.

Because of this we stand opposed.

How are petitions a "personal issue"? That's just a tautological statement. And what about this resolution empowers organisations to "force their employees or members to petition"? How does that even help an organisation for that matter?

The Republic of Anitgrum fully supports your proposal.

Gustavo Rivera

Thank you.


Ambassador Aram Koopman
World Assembly representative for the Dutch Democratic Republic of Knootoss

[Speculine]

How are petitions a "personal issue"?

OOC: What I meant was... People making up their minds about an issue and deciding if they want to take action by petitioning or not is a personal issue.

And what about this resolution empowers organisations to "force their employees or members to petition"? How does that even help an organisation for that matter?

This part:

EXTENDS this right equally to companies, organisations and associations that have their headquarters in a World Assembly Member State;

OOC: That gives companies and organizations the right to petition but doesn't limit the scope of it. If not told directly that they can't do it then a corporation would. The same is true with organizations like PETA. If told they had petitioning power they would very much tell their members they had to sign off on any petition that would further their cause. There is nothing limiting consequences.

IC: Good sir, petitions are a personal issue because individuals create and sign them. Corporations and organizations do not think like individuals. They have a totally different set of agendas and that is something we take issue with. We do support the rest of your proposal but cannot stand behind giving such power to the corporate world.