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Postby Embolalia » Fri May 14, 2010 9:16 pm

*Scene: Office of the Prime Minister, Parliament Palace, Caridd, Ytyroedd, Embolalia. The Embolalian ambassador to the WA is in conference with the PM. The below is translated from Embolalian*

"...and lastly, sir, the latest resolution up for vote is to repeal A Promotion of Basic Education."
The PM looks up at the ambassador, skeptically. "Why?"
"Here's the text, sir. Long story short, it's not a very strong resolution. The sponsor wants it replaced with a stronger one."
The PM looks over the text of the resolution and the repeal. "This is one of those things that will keep being repealed and re-passed until my cat eats a watermelon, isn't it?"
"Yes, sir. There really isn't any good way to require proper education without serious sovereignty issues."
"Well, since the resolution as it stands doesn't do much of anything, I'd say anything is better. Vote in favor."
"Very well, sir. Good night, Prime Minister."
"Good night, ambassador."

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Postby Quadrimmina » Fri May 14, 2010 9:24 pm

The Republic of Quadrimmina is upset that this resolution has come to a vote without a viable alternative being presented to the floor. Because of this extant state of affairs, we vote AGAINST this resolution. We will not support a repeal unless a replacement is ready to go immediately after repeal that has been thoroughly debated on and has received support.
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Postby Enn » Fri May 14, 2010 10:49 pm

Lady Faren has instructed me to vote AGAINST this repeal. She does not agree that the purported weaknesses of the original are enough to get worried about.

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Postby WA Mission of NERV-UN » Sat May 15, 2010 1:30 am

Honored members of this most august assembly,

Having read the prior passed resolution, we agree that there are some glaring problems with it. However, we also feel that with nothing even close to replacing it, we see no reason to repeal that resolution now just to be asked to vote for something later. We do not buy used cars without first seeing them after all. We would be open to supporting a repeal should there also be a credible draft in the works so that we may judge which is better.

By order of the Supreme Commander, NERVUN votes against the repeal.

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Postby Chrinthanium » Sat May 15, 2010 3:42 am

We echo the statements of the Honorable Representatives of Nervun and Enn. We have voted against the repreal.

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Postby Diatraba » Sat May 15, 2010 3:46 am

Enn wrote:Lady Faren has instructed me to vote AGAINST this repeal. She does not agree that the purported weaknesses of the original are enough to get worried about.

Stephanie Fulton,
WA Ambassador for Enn


I agree, honourable ambassadress. I also agree with the other ambassadors who are in opposition to this Bill

Je suis d'accord, ambassadrice d'honneur. Je suis également d'accord avec les autres ambassadeurs qui sont en opposition à ce projet de loi


Sono d'accordo, ambasciatrice d'onore. Sono d'accordo anche con gli ambasciatori di altri che sono in opposizione a questo progetto di legge


Estoy de acuerdo, embajadora honorífica. También estoy de acuerdo con los otros embajadores que están en oposición a este proyecto de ley


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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sat May 15, 2010 5:47 am

The honoured ambassador from Charlotte Ryberg is clearly in favour of the repeal, for clearly allowing member states to discriminate against gypsies if they choose, but Ms. Harper wishes to make it clear that the repeal of this resolution does not, in any way, suggest that we must no longer provide basic education.

EDIT: clarification added.
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Postby Manticore Reborn » Sat May 15, 2010 6:20 am

The Kingdom of Manticore Reborn acknowledges the flaws contained within the current resolution "A Promotion of Basic Education"; however we do not see alternative resolution being able to pass at this time. My government has registered its' vote against this repeal.
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Postby Unibot » Sat May 15, 2010 7:46 am

Charlotte Ryberg wrote:The honoured ambassador from Charlotte Ryberg is clearly in favor for clearly allowing member states to discriminate against gypsies if they choose,


Eduard handed Ms. Harper a pie. "That's the smartest thing I've ever heard you say...you get pie."
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Postby Renewed East Rule » Sat May 15, 2010 7:58 am

The people of Renewed East Rule find "A Promotion Of Basic Education" to be a perfect balance of obligation and national sovereignty and therefore have decided to vote against a repeal in the hopes of resisting any stronger WA interference that a replacement resolution might present.

Furthermore, the people have noted, that the arguments brought about a lack of provision for citizens who suffer disabilities to be insufficient. If this is the key concern of the repeal author, our people would instead encourage the author to look at creating a proposal which builds on the foundations provided by the resolution.

In the case of citizen and non-citizen rights to education, Renewed East Rule's government would be against provision of equal education access, in part due to cultural practices and secrets that are not wished to be shared freely but which form a key part of a citizen's education.

Senator Baily,
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Postby Glen-Rhodes » Sat May 15, 2010 8:38 am

WA Mission of NERV-UN wrote: We would be open to supporting a repeal should there also be a credible draft in the works so that we may judge which is better.

There are several drafts floating around. I could bring one up for debate, yet I would quickly be shouted down by Ambassador Saint-Clair and Eduard Heir for doing so, with accusations that I'm only trying to repeal this resolution because I have some personal vendetta against them. But I suppose I could always tempt the fates.

Manticore Reborn wrote:The Kingdom of Manticore Reborn acknowledges the flaws contained within the current resolution "A Promotion of Basic Education"; however we do not see alternative resolution being able to pass at this time. My government has registered its' vote against this repeal.

Is there a reason why an alternative resolution is not able to pass at this time?

Charlotte Ryberg wrote:The honoured ambassador from Charlotte Ryberg is clearly in favour for clearly allowing member states to discriminate against gypsies if they choose, but Ms. Harper wishes to make it clear that the repeal of this resolution does not, in any way, suggest that we must no longer provide basic education.

Ms. Harper, the World Assembly has never, not even once, declared immigrants as lesser beings, and I am shocked that the author of an emigration proposal would suggest that it is permissible to deny immigrants rights and protections.

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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sat May 15, 2010 8:52 am

Glen-Rhodes wrote:
WA Mission of NERV-UN wrote: We would be open to supporting a repeal should there also be a credible draft in the works so that we may judge which is better.

There are several drafts floating around. I could bring one up for debate, yet I would quickly be shouted down by Ambassador Saint-Clair and Eduard Heir for doing so, with accusations that I'm only trying to repeal this resolution because I have some personal vendetta against them. But I suppose I could always tempt the fates.

Manticore Reborn wrote:The Kingdom of Manticore Reborn acknowledges the flaws contained within the current resolution "A Promotion of Basic Education"; however we do not see alternative resolution being able to pass at this time. My government has registered its' vote against this repeal.

Is there a reason why an alternative resolution is not able to pass at this time?

Charlotte Ryberg wrote:The honoured ambassador from Charlotte Ryberg is clearly in favour for clearly allowing member states to discriminate against gypsies if they choose, but Ms. Harper wishes to make it clear that the repeal of this resolution does not, in any way, suggest that we must no longer provide basic education.

Ms. Harper, the World Assembly has never, not even once, declared immigrants as lesser beings, and I am shocked that the author of an emigration proposal would suggest that it is permissible to deny immigrants rights and protections.

Dr. Bradford William Castro

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I might have actually mis-worded the statement embarrassingly. :blush:

The honoured ambassador from Charlotte Ryberg is clearly in favour of the repeal, for the resolution concerned clearly allows member states to discriminate against gypsies and immigrants if they choose, but Ms. Harper wishes to make it clear that the repeal of this resolution does not, in any way, suggest that we must no longer provide basic education.

I indeed would be in support of a replacement that granted everyone, yes, everyone a right to an education, anyway.
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Postby Glen-Rhodes » Sat May 15, 2010 8:56 am

Charlotte Ryberg wrote:I might have actually mis-worded the statement embarrassingly. :blush:

Yikes! You might want to give your copyeditors a bit more coffee in the morning!

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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sat May 15, 2010 8:57 am

Glen-Rhodes wrote:
Charlotte Ryberg wrote:I might have actually mis-worded the statement embarrassingly. :blush:

Yikes! You might want to give your copyeditors a bit more coffee in the morning!

Dr. Bradford William Castro

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Actually, the coffee is starting to lose its effectiveness if we didn't go out and get some fresh air often. :lol:
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Postby Unibot » Sat May 15, 2010 9:38 am

Charlotte Ryberg wrote:
Glen-Rhodes wrote:
Charlotte Ryberg wrote:I might have actually mis-worded the statement embarrassingly. :blush:

Yikes! You might want to give your copyeditors a bit more coffee in the morning!

Dr. Bradford William Castro

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the Commonwealth of Glen-Rhodes

Actually, the coffee is starting to lose its effectiveness if we didn't go out and get some fresh air often. :lol:


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Postby Bears Armed » Sat May 15, 2010 9:57 am

"My own homeland's government would be quite happy to have me vote for this repeal, although as elections within the IDU for the post of Regional Delegate have unfortunately had to be postponed the direction of my vote on this proposal will actually be determined by polling the governments of the regions' other WA member nations instead, but would strongly oppose the passage of any 'replacement' resolution. As a fairly loose Confederation we don't even regard educational policy as being a national issue, let alone an international one."


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Postby Moronist Decisions » Sat May 15, 2010 10:39 am

Renewed East Rule wrote:The people of Renewed East Rule find "A Promotion Of Basic Education" to be a perfect balance of obligation and national sovereignty and therefore have decided to vote against a repeal in the hopes of resisting any stronger WA interference that a replacement resolution might present.

Furthermore, the people have noted, that the arguments brought about a lack of provision for citizens who suffer disabilities to be insufficient. If this is the key concern of the repeal author, our people would instead encourage the author to look at creating a proposal which builds on the foundations provided by the resolution.

In the case of citizen and non-citizen rights to education, Renewed East Rule's government would be against provision of equal education access, in part due to cultural practices and secrets that are not wished to be shared freely but which form a key part of a citizen's education.

Senator Baily,
Provisional Ambassador for WA affairs
Renewed East Rule


The Lion in Council has consulted with the Assembly of Morons, the Moronist Decisions Normal University and our Department of Education. In this case, the recommendations are summarized as follows:

Given that there is [textbf]no[/textbf] clause requiring the provision of services to the disabled, and that there is furthermore no reason to believe that equal access to disabled persons is something that does not require repeal to enact (since there may well be ways to write this in without amending the bill) and that education should not be required to be given to illegal aliens - which will deplete our treasury of PowerPoints to no benefit to our population, and will be a deterrent to people leaving of their own accord. We cannot support such an ill-conceived notion, and we further note that our national law has already allowed provision of education to all aliens legally present. We therefore agree heartily with the recommendation of Provisional Ambassador from the Renewed East Rule, Senator Baily


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Postby Glen-Rhodes » Sat May 15, 2010 10:56 am

Moronist Decisions wrote:... and that education should not be required to be given to illegal aliens - which will deplete our treasury of PowerPoints to no benefit to our population, and will be a deterrent to people leaving of their own accord. We cannot support such an ill-conceived notion, and we further note that our national law has already allowed provision of education to all aliens legally present.

You are opposed to giving an education to 'illegal aliens' (misnomer, by the way; non-citizen does not imply illegal alien), because it will deplete the treasury... but, then you mention that your nation already does provide an education to 'illegal aliens'?

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Postby The Palentine » Sat May 15, 2010 11:23 am

The good but unwholesome Senator Sulla looks over at his fellow ambassadors in the festering Snakepit and says,
"You lucky sods...I wish I cold sit here all day and listen to me."

He then pulls out a Fine Yeldan Cigar, the size of a snall kiosher salami, cut the end and fires it up. Fragrant wisps of blue smoke waft above his head. He smile most unpleasently as he continues,

"The Palentine opposes this repeal on the ground that we do not trust the fine delegates(I can't believe I said that with a straight face) here not to write and pass a more odiferous and intrusive resolution in its place. I loath the current resolution, but the thoughts of o resolution far worse replacing it gives me the willies. After watching this debate so far I've come to the conclusion that its going to be as fun as a root canal without novacaine. That must be remedied..."

At this point some of the good Senator's staff enters the Festering Snakepit with a karaoke machine, and some coolers of Olde Frothingslosh(TM).

"Yep, I think a Karaoke contest is in order. Let us begin.", Sulla says as he cracks open a beer and grabs the mic...

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So please don't give a thought to me, I'm really doin' fine
You can always find me here, I'm havin' quite a time

Countin' flowers on the wall
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Now don't tell me I've nothin' to do

It's good to see you, I must go, I know I look a fright
Anyway my eyes are not accustomed to this light
And my shoes are not accustomed to this hard concrete
So I must go back to my room and make my day complete

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Now don't tell me I've nothin' to do

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Postby Hiriaurtung Arororugul » Sat May 15, 2010 11:25 am

Opposed! The People of Aundotutunagir fear the replacement that will result if this is repealed.
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Postby Glen-Rhodes » Sat May 15, 2010 11:44 am

Hiriaurtung Arororugul wrote:Opposed! The People of Aundotutunagir fear the replacement that will result if this is repealed.

Even a mighty General is afraid of a stronger resolution, showing the weakness of "A Promotion of Basic Education"!

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Postby Moronist Decisions » Sat May 15, 2010 1:46 pm

Glen-Rhodes wrote:
Moronist Decisions wrote:... and that education should not be required to be given to illegal aliens - which will deplete our treasury of PowerPoints to no benefit to our population, and will be a deterrent to people leaving of their own accord. We cannot support such an ill-conceived notion, and we further note that our national law has already allowed provision of education to all aliens legally present.

You are opposed to giving an education to 'illegal aliens' (misnomer, by the way; non-citizen does not imply illegal alien), because it will deplete the treasury... but, then you mention that your nation already does provide an education to 'illegal aliens'?

Dr. Bradford William Castro

Ambassador-at-Large,
Permanent Chief of Mission for World Assembly affairs,
the Commonwealth of Glen-Rhodes


Dr. Castro,

Read

all aliens legally present


Best,
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Postby Glen-Rhodes » Sat May 15, 2010 1:56 pm

Moronist Decisions wrote:--

Ah yes, a simple misreading. It's great that your nation has already done so, but it could do so with or without the resolution in place. The point made in the repeal is that the World Assembly is presenting a situation in which is it legally permissible, even preferable, to deny an education to anybody who is not a citizen, including legal aliens and resident aliens, who are in a nation lawfully, but are not citizens of that nation. That does not sit well with long-established human rights precedents in the World Assembly.

Dr. Bradford William Castro

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Postby Krioval » Sat May 15, 2010 2:33 pm

Against, against, against, against! Not only do I not trust the Assembly to not pass something far worse should this repeal effort succeed, but I believe that "A Promotion of Basic Education" isn't sufficiently problematic to warrant a monthslong debate on the topic of national education policies. Let's let sleeping wolves lie, yes?

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Postby The Asylum Manager » Sat May 15, 2010 3:15 pm

Whilst we tax everything everywhere and for everything possible, we pump enormous amount of money in our education, in order for everyone to profit from it. However, we fully comprehend some other nations might well have a totally different opinion on the matter. We know a thing or two about compromises too. The resolution you're trying to repeal seems to have been the result of some serious compromising to get passed. Surely any resolution that wishes to have less compromise, such as the one you're clearly vying for, will fail miserable, so we see no need for the repeal.
The TAM-ambassador votes AGAINST.

We yield the floor.

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