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Postby Card Cleaver » Fri Apr 26, 2024 5:30 am

Basque Dominion wrote:
Riemstagrad wrote:-snip 2: electric snipperoo-


...Still, I think the current system is unbalanced and distorts the game… (Also, I fail to understand why some people takes this view that much personally.)


I would suspect the idea of reforming how card packs are generated would be better accepted at the change of a Season. Right now, there's been a number of players that have suggested changes that would mean the nations most invested in the card market would be punished. When staring down the potential of 11 months of lost data, it doesn't seem like the time for suggestions such as "only WA nations should be allowed to generate cards" which if there were no other changes to generation rates, would most negatively impact the players most actively involved.

Basque Dominion wrote:...that doesn’t mean the current system is beyond criticism. When I see hundreds, thousands of NS named “cards farm 1”, “cards farm 2”, “cards farm n”… I feel a puppy is dying somewhere.


However, I agree. I think Wonders was a good case study for a resource generation system that you didn't have obvious advantages in by multi-accounting (unless you had nations with wildly different national priorities). As a solo player I was able to rank #13 even when the multi-user wonders were allowed to simultaneously craft. While that system doesn't translate perfectly to cards, I think there should be some thought given to whether a system can exist where one account is as efficient at generating cards as five thousand, and it still comes down to how much effort you want to put in to pressing buttons over and over. (This would also resolve many of the low-quality cards out there if those farming nations were to CTE, but I digress...)

I think this line of discussion is sort of off topic for this specific thread, but it's still a valuable conversation to have. For now though, I would still hope the course of action will be a successful recovery of the lost data (all going well), and then a few weeks of double pack drop rates.

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Postby Almighty Biden » Fri Apr 26, 2024 6:22 pm

Well after the Crash of '24 happened on April 14 which will forever be known to the cards community as "Black Sunday", I've probably lost most of my cards on my puppets and alts. I guess the only thing to do is hope the admins can recover as much data as possible and once cards are back up, answer issues, open packs, and build back a better deck.
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Postby Diarcesia » Fri Apr 26, 2024 6:25 pm

Kractero wrote:Post any ideas for about what could or should be implemented to help cards recover, depending on how things go with database restoration.

Daily backups

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Postby Republiek van Suid Afrika » Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:59 pm

clean slate. new system. use knowledge from the past what systems worked and what got exploited or what caused strain on the system.

give people the ability to edit cards to correct mistakes on them for instance if they weren't around on the days of creation. (edit once for free, then cost)

lot of people also had content that could be deemed copyrighted material (eg screenshots), but with today's advances in AI could recreate some masterworks or at least fix some old bad images.
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Postby Hyperwolf » Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:20 pm

Republiek van Suid Afrika wrote:clean slate. new system. use knowledge from the past what systems worked and what got exploited or what caused strain on the system.

give people the ability to edit cards to correct mistakes on them for instance if they weren't around on the days of creation. (edit once for free, then cost)

lot of people also had content that could be deemed copyrighted material (eg screenshots), but with today's advances in AI could recreate some masterworks or at least fix some old bad images.

how would someone be able to edit their own deck?
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Postby Republiek van Suid Afrika » Thu May 02, 2024 8:23 am

please read again, edit 'cards' (the looks/picture), not deck.

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Postby Tungstan » Fri May 03, 2024 4:34 am

Republiek van Suid Afrika wrote:give people the ability to edit cards to correct mistakes on them for instance if they weren't around on the days of creation. (edit once for free, then cost)
So people would just be able to edit the looks of their cards? And you're just expecting that people won't use this ability nefariously?

Also, this sort of goes against the whole point of cards, doesn't it? There's no incentive to collect more of them when you can just edit the ones you have.
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Postby Invernessia » Fri May 03, 2024 6:27 pm

Tungstan wrote:
Republiek van Suid Afrika wrote:give people the ability to edit cards to correct mistakes on them for instance if they weren't around on the days of creation. (edit once for free, then cost)
So people would just be able to edit the looks of their cards? And you're just expecting that people won't use this ability nefariously?

Also, this sort of goes against the whole point of cards, doesn't it? There's no incentive to collect more of them when you can just edit the ones you have.


The suggestion is (probably) to allow partial editing of your own nation's card.

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Postby Osheiga » Fri May 03, 2024 8:20 pm

Being able to edit your nation's card midway through the season sounds fun in principle, but that would be super annoying for most non-rarity collectors. You'd have to constantly look over your collection in case someone edited their card to the point where it no longer fits (which for some collections is dozens/hundreds of pages, ex. the default flag collection). Not to mention that you'd have to periodically look through the database of cards if you're looking for a 'complete' collection just in case someone changed their card to one that fits the collection.

(Also, very against the idea of 'resetting' when it's not necessary. Using the May 11th backup is better than using nothing at all.)
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Postby Huosheng » Tue May 07, 2024 4:49 pm

Good news, everyone!
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Postby Diarcesia » Tue May 07, 2024 4:51 pm

Huosheng wrote:Good news, everyone!

Would you lose card data?

Nah, I'd restore.

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Postby Huosheng » Wed May 08, 2024 5:17 am

Huosheng wrote:Good news, everyone!

UPDATE:
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Needless to say, I am very grateful for the mods' hard work on restoring card data, and very glad that there will not have to be any rollback.
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Postby Infinitedeathville » Wed May 08, 2024 5:49 am

CARDS ARE BACK
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Postby Vylixan » Wed May 08, 2024 6:36 am

Good thing this thread is mostly pointless by now.
The ideas people had were cray-cray

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Postby Serasu Vikutoria » Fri May 10, 2024 5:25 am

Having the ability to edit my card would be nice - was not online on creation date and only found out after return from holiday there was an event. The card it generated captured only a part of pic that dont show anything worthwhile on a blank space resulting in a card I myself am not even interested in buying.
was supposed to be a pic similar to
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