[MEGATHREAD] Unusual Issue Effects

[Pogaria]

This is probably an oversight but selecting option 3 in issue 1201, but essentialy option 3 makes the government develop a brain chip for interrogation use, but shouldn't this remove the no computers policy?

Thank you. I corrected that.

Issue "What a Waste"'s 3rd option (encountered in this nation today) leads to cancelling my 'No WMD' policy, despite the fact that the issue never mentioned anything about weapons of mass destruction. The issue was about nuclear power but there is a clear difference between supporting nuclear power and supporting nuclear weapons...

The option you chose included the line "reallocate the plutonium to weapons manufacture" - and thus you now have nuclear weapons.

[Socialismia]

Issue "What a Waste"'s 3rd option (encountered in this nation today) leads to cancelling my 'No WMD' policy, despite the fact that the issue never mentioned anything about weapons of mass destruction. The issue was about nuclear power but there is a clear difference between supporting nuclear power and supporting nuclear weapons...

The option you chose included the line "reallocate the plutonium to weapons manufacture" - and thus you now have nuclear weapons.

Agh, it's always the small print that gets me...

[Barinive]

This is probably an oversight but selecting option 3 in issue 1201, but essentialy option 3 makes the government develop a brain chip for interrogation use, but shouldn't this remove the no computers policy?

Thank you. I corrected that.

Issue "What a Waste"'s 3rd option (encountered in this nation today) leads to cancelling my 'No WMD' policy, despite the fact that the issue never mentioned anything about weapons of mass destruction. The issue was about nuclear power but there is a clear difference between supporting nuclear power and supporting nuclear weapons...

The option you chose included the line "reallocate the plutonium to weapons manufacture" - and thus you now have nuclear weapons.

Also, i would like to say that there is an issue called Vat Smarts, it's essenially about nations with the vat-produced infants policy being able to modify the intelligence of vat-grown infants. The strange issue effect here is that one of the options is to Ban vats, yet it doesn't remove the vat produced infants policy. *This has been talked about a few times by the way

[Pogaria]

Also, i would like to say that there is an issue called Vat Smarts, it's essenially about nations with the vat-produced infants policy being able to modify the intelligence of vat-grown infants. The strange issue effect here is that one of the options is to Ban vats, yet it doesn't remove the vat produced infants policy. *This has been talked about a few times by the way

The option you're referencing doesn't actually ban vats. It begins as such:

"Ohmigod, the horror, you have to ban the vats!" yells your brother, waving his arms. "Naaa... I'm just messing with you! What you should actually do is breed everybody to be as dumb as possible.

[Varnash]

i picked option 2 (the option that decided not to persecute the captain who abandoned ship) on issue 1,078 (Down With That?) and it raised my taxation

i specifically picked option 2 instead of dismissing the issue to lower my taxation, but it did the opposite

please help!


PS: if this was a mistake, could you lower my taxation or at least return it to what it was before? thanks!

[Fauxia]

i picked option 2 (the option that decided not to persecute the captain who abandoned ship) on issue 1,078 (Down With That?) and it raised my taxation

i specifically picked option 2 instead of dismissing the issue to lower my taxation, but it did the opposite

please help!


PS: if this was a mistake, could you lower my taxation or at least return it to what it was before? thanks!

See the OP.

"Why didn't tax / unemployment / black market do what I expected it to?"

NS uses a complex model to calculate a lot of things, which can lead to counter-intuitive results.

- Why didn't tax fall when spending was described as reducing (or why didn't it rise when spending was described as rising)?

The answer usually lies in your economic output.
The more economic output you have, the less %tax you need to support your spending.

Bear in mind that economic output is dependent on a lot of interacting factors. Sometimes an option will cause you to shrink your economy by more than you proportionally shrank your spending, causing a tax rise to support the same spending. Sometimes it won't. Often different things will happen to different nations faced with the same issue choice.

There's not much in 1078.2 that seems like it should affect taxation very much either way, so I would expect it's something to do with little tics to economic output.

[Paappapapa]

Paappapapa 2 may 2024




Why is it becoming more authoritarian?

[Bisofeyr]

Just answered issue 1453, option 3, which explicitly includes “promoting mass transit” in the option and my public transportation went down. This feels inherently wrong

On mobile, sorry for formatting.

[SherpDaWerp]

Paappapapa 2 may 2024
Why is it becoming more authoritarian?

Because your politicians have less privacy -> slightly less civil rights -> slightly more authoritarian. Theoretically, this could be balanced out by an increase in political freedom, because you're less limiting of what newspapers can post, but you have a high enough political freedom that it didn't take much effect.

Just answered issue 1453, option 3, which explicitly includes “promoting mass transit” in the option and my public transportation went down. This feels inherently wrong.

This is an annoying secondary effect, where you're spending relatively more money on public transport, but that option shrinks your overall economy enough that taxes go down, the government has to decrease, and so the amount of overall money you have to spend on public transport decreases. (Like, you spend 11% of your money on public transport, instead of 10%, but the total amount of money your government has decreases from $100 to $90, and 11% of 90 is less than 10% of 100.)

[Socialismia]

Paappapapa 2 may 2024
Why is it becoming more authoritarian?

Because your politicians have less privacy -> slightly less civil rights -> slightly more authoritarian. Theoretically, this could be balanced out by an increase in political freedom, because you're less limiting of what newspapers can post, but you have a high enough political freedom that it didn't take much effect.

(Their images aren't loading so bear with me)
But since it's not really the government who's invading the privacy, the authoritarianism comes from people? In that case, authoritarianism should stay but social conservatism should increase. Maybe. The code probably doesn't work that way, though.

[Bisofeyr]

Just answered issue 1453, option 3, which explicitly includes “promoting mass transit” in the option and my public transportation went down. This feels inherently wrong.

This is an annoying secondary effect, where you're spending relatively more money on public transport, but that option shrinks your overall economy enough that taxes go down, the government has to decrease, and so the amount of overall money you have to spend on public transport decreases. (Like, you spend 11% of your money on public transport, instead of 10%, but the total amount of money your government has decreases from $100 to $90, and 11% of 90 is less than 10% of 100.)

That is... highly frustrating. Thanks for the explanation, though.

[Fauxia]

I realize that industry effects are complicated and hard to predict, but 1625.3, which institutes mandatory veganism, increased the Pizza Delivery industry in The Cult of Pizza by 300 points, about 2%, in a nation that was already in the top 500 in the world. Surely that's a very strange result, given that even vegetarian pizza is typically not vegan?

[Verdant Haven]

I realize that industry effects are complicated and hard to predict, but 1625.3, which institutes mandatory veganism, increased the Pizza Delivery industry in The Cult of Pizza by 300 points, about 2%, in a nation that was already in the top 500 in the world. Surely that's a very strange result, given that even vegetarian pizza is typically not vegan?

If you eliminate vast swaths of other food industries, those which remain can see a boost. Wiping out meat-based fast foods, junk foods, party foods, etc means no burgers, no hot dogs, no tacos, etc. What's left? Pizza! That nation was also in a particular place to see an extra-large effect from the impacts of that option - note that it completely erased both the fishing and livestock industries, effectively zeroing them out entirely. That's a fairly sizeable impact on the food supply.

There are also some other interactions going on behind the scenes that feed into the pizza jump (as you said, industry effects are complicated), but the above is a big part of it.

[Paappapapa]

Paappapapa 2 may 2024
Why is it becoming more authoritarian?

Because your politicians have less privacy -> slightly less civil rights -> slightly more authoritarian. Theoretically, this could be balanced out by an increase in political freedom, because you're less limiting of what newspapers can post, but you have a high enough political freedom that it didn't take much effect.

Just answered issue 1453, option 3, which explicitly includes “promoting mass transit” in the option and my public transportation went down. This feels inherently wrong.

This is an annoying secondary effect, where you're spending relatively more money on public transport, but that option shrinks your overall economy enough that taxes go down, the government has to decrease, and so the amount of overall money you have to spend on public transport decreases. (Like, you spend 11% of your money on public transport, instead of 10%, but the total amount of money your government has decreases from $100 to $90, and 11% of 90 is less than 10% of 100.)

True

[Fauxia]

I realize that industry effects are complicated and hard to predict, but 1625.3, which institutes mandatory veganism, increased the Pizza Delivery industry in The Cult of Pizza by 300 points, about 2%, in a nation that was already in the top 500 in the world. Surely that's a very strange result, given that even vegetarian pizza is typically not vegan?

If you eliminate vast swaths of other food industries, those which remain can see a boost. Wiping out meat-based fast foods, junk foods, party foods, etc means no burgers, no hot dogs, no tacos, etc. What's left? Pizza! That nation was also in a particular place to see an extra-large effect from the impacts of that option - note that it completely erased both the fishing and livestock industries, effectively zeroing them out entirely. That's a fairly sizeable impact on the food supply.

There are also some other interactions going on behind the scenes that feed into the pizza jump (as you said, industry effects are complicated), but the above is a big part of it.

Alright, I guess that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation!

[Tokatsu]

"Watts Up With Rooftop Solar" issue is either bugged or set incorrectly-
I let a CEO charge his costumers the way he wants and it decreased the economic freedom in my state

[Tokatsu]

also, "Time for a Colonyoscopy!" issue also seems to be set incorrectly
long time ago, I chose option 1, where my state conquered and annexed Brasilistan, but it seems like it accidentally annexed itself into Brasilistan rather than the other way around, considering how it made my state drown in industry spending, public transport spending, healthcare spending, environment spending, and income tax- while it managed to somewhat heal over time, it was so bad that my state still suffers public healthcare and really severe industry spending consequences from that single issue even to this day

[SherpDaWerp]

"Watts Up With Rooftop Solar" issue is either bugged or set incorrectly-
I let a CEO charge his costumers the way he wants and it decreased the economic freedom in my state

they need to sell at market prices, which as the name suggests, are regulated by market, not the state.

This option represents the state regulating how companies are supposed to charge for electricity. A flat grid free is basically a restriction on how companies practice. It's government legislating a payment model. This is a reduction in Economic Freedom for the company itself.

[SherpDaWerp]

also, "Time for a Colonyoscopy!" issue also seems to be set incorrectly
long time ago, I chose option 1, where my state conquered and annexed Brasilistan, but it seems like it accidentally annexed itself into Brasilistan rather than the other way around, considering how it made my state drown in industry spending, public transport spending, healthcare spending, environment spending, and income tax- while it managed to somewhat heal over time, it was so bad that my state still suffers public healthcare and really severe industry spending consequences from that single issue even to this day

Unsurprisingly, taking responsibility for the full remaining citizenry of a country that you've just obliterated in a war costs a lot of money. This results in a large increase in spending of most sorts, while you try and rebuild Brasilistan's industry, hospitals, roads, and so forth. A large increase in spending also requires a large increase in tax.

[Tokatsu]

"Watts Up With Rooftop Solar" issue is either bugged or set incorrectly-
I let a CEO charge his costumers the way he wants and it decreased the economic freedom in my state

This option represents the state regulating how companies are supposed to charge for electricity. A flat grid free is basically a restriction on how companies practice. It's government legislating a payment model. This is a reduction in Economic Freedom for the company itself.

"With rhetoric on all sides becoming increasingly high voltage, TG&E is asking you to approve a change in their fee structure."
the issue says that the gas and electric company is asking to approve a change in THEIR system of feeing clients, not mine or someone else's company. there's nothing indicating that he wants to change someone else's fee structure.
it was the other options that were telling him how to run his own company.

[Tokatsu]

also, "Time for a Colonyoscopy!" issue also seems to be set incorrectly
long time ago, I chose option 1, where my state conquered and annexed Brasilistan, but it seems like it accidentally annexed itself into Brasilistan rather than the other way around, considering how it made my state drown in industry spending, public transport spending, healthcare spending, environment spending, and income tax- while it managed to somewhat heal over time, it was so bad that my state still suffers public healthcare and really severe industry spending consequences from that single issue even to this day

Unsurprisingly, taking responsibility for the full remaining citizenry of a country that you've just obliterated in a war costs a lot of money. This results in a large increase in spending of most sorts, while you try and rebuild Brasilistan's industry, hospitals, roads, and so forth. A large increase in spending also requires a large increase in tax.

unsurprisingly only if you know that this option will entail all the extra stuff.
there was nothing in that option implying that it'll make my state do anything beyond adding the annexed population to the pool of its human resources in accordance with my state's policies, which is simply deploying law enforcement to force it to pay tax to my state, preventing escape, and punishing them for things that threaten it. "We'd all be part of the same country, with the same citizenship, and the same rights and responsibilities." my state's population just had to pay for law enforcement and military, and didn't had all these things added by this choice, which means that they've been given different "rights and responsibilities" from my state's non-annexed population. nothing there indicated that it'll make my state just nationalize everything it finds in Brasilistan and force its taxpayers to rebuild it.
it was the other option implying some cultural nationalizations and other stuff beyond simply making them pay.