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Should England have its own parliament?

No - England is already represented in the House of Commons
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32%
No - Scotland/Wales/NI should lose their devolved bodies as well
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18%
Yes - a devolved English Parliament is needed
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19%
Yes - the Union must break up
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31%
 
Total votes : 110

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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:26 pm

Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:Yeah I got that. Spouting ignorance isn't ones fault, it's the fault of the advertisers.


In what way is what I said inaccurate?

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Postby Fionnuala_Saoirse » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:26 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Good Germans wrote:Wait... I though England already had a parliament of its own...


Where?


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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:28 pm

Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:It doesn't matter. Perception is key.

Am I doing it right?


Not quite. You need to be English to have just the right amount of condescension. :)

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Postby Fionnuala_Saoirse » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:29 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:It doesn't matter. Perception is key.

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Not quite. You need to be English to have just the right amount of condescension. :)


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Postby Good Germans » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:33 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Good Germans wrote:Wait... I though England already had a parliament of its own...


Where?

In London...
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Postby --Europe-- » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:45 pm

The Scandinavian Reich wrote:I was born in England (I have joint British/Swedish nationality), and since I am nearing the age to vote, I'd love to see a little more pressure put on the Government to grant an English parliament. Personally, I think the Union is useless and I'd love to see England as an independent nation!


You need teaching that an Independent England can be slightly weaker without its fellow once united neighbours.

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Fartsniffage wrote:
Where?

In London...

:rofl:
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Postby Caninope » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:56 pm

Good Germans wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Where?

In London...

Britain =/= England.
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Postby Tmutarakhan » Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:14 pm

England is considerably larger than Scotland, Wales, or Northern Ireland. The analogous kind of regional devolution of powers would be to create parliamentary assemblies for the subregions of England, though if those subregions are to become actual political entities (instead of just census districts and European Parliament constituencies, which is mostly all they are at present) they ought to get proper names instead of bland geographic descriptions: "Bernicia" instead of "Northeast"; then "Lancastria" and "Yorkland"; below that "Mercia" and "Danelaw"; then "Cornwall", "Albion", "London", and "East Anglia".
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Postby North Suran » Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:21 pm

Tmutarakhan wrote:[...]then "Cornwall", "Albion", "London", and "East Anglia".

Albion is the Latin name for Great Britain as a whole.
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Postby Tmutarakhan » Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:34 pm

North Suran wrote:
Tmutarakhan wrote:[...]then "Cornwall", "Albion", "London", and "East Anglia".

Albion is the Latin name for Great Britain as a whole.

That would be "Britannia": "Albion" refers to the white chalk cliffs. Poetically, it became used for Britain as a whole, but that was not the original sense.
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Postby Chumblywumbly » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:20 pm

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Chumblywumbly wrote:For what reason(s) should the Welsh Assembly and the Scottish Parliament be dissolved, then?

Why do they need them? If they want to be completely independent then let them do that, but I don't think it's right that they should be in this semi-separated state.

Highlighting Scotland, as I am Scottish, and know relatively little of Welsh politics, I think it's sensible to have a devolved political process north of the border for a number of reasons: we have separate legal, health and education systems; the Scottish electorate consistently vote contrary to the norms of the UK as a whole; and there are political institutions existing nowhere else but Scotland (SNP, the remnants of the SSP, Scottish Labour, etc.).
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Postby DeusII » Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:11 pm

Chumblywumbly wrote:
DeusII wrote:Why do they need them? If they want to be completely independent then let them do that, but I don't think it's right that they should be in this semi-separated state.

Highlighting Scotland, as I am Scottish, and know relatively little of Welsh politics, I think it's sensible to have a devolved political process north of the border for a number of reasons: we have separate legal, health and education systems; the Scottish electorate consistently vote contrary to the norms of the UK as a whole; and there are political institutions existing nowhere else but Scotland (SNP, the remnants of the SSP, Scottish Labour, etc.).

If you want your own healthcare, education etc. then why do you wish to be a part of the UK?
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Postby Caninope » Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:07 am

DeusII wrote:
Chumblywumbly wrote:Highlighting Scotland, as I am Scottish, and know relatively little of Welsh politics, I think it's sensible to have a devolved political process north of the border for a number of reasons: we have separate legal, health and education systems; the Scottish electorate consistently vote contrary to the norms of the UK as a whole; and there are political institutions existing nowhere else but Scotland (SNP, the remnants of the SSP, Scottish Labour, etc.).

If you want your own healthcare, education etc. then why do you wish to be a part of the UK?

Because they were a part of the UK before education and healthcare was started in the UK?
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Postby North Suran » Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:42 am

Tmutarakhan wrote:
North Suran wrote:Albion is the Latin name for Great Britain as a whole.

That would be "Britannia": "Albion" refers to the white chalk cliffs. Poetically, it became used for Britain as a whole, but that was not the original sense.

And the original use of the term "Habsburg" was to describe a castle in Swabia. Yet if you hear someone speak of the "House of Habsburg" today, you assume that they are speaking about the royal dynasty, not the Swabian castle.
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Postby Chumblywumbly » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:22 am

DeusII wrote:
Chumblywumbly wrote:Highlighting Scotland, as I am Scottish, and know relatively little of Welsh politics, I think it's sensible to have a devolved political process north of the border for a number of reasons: we have separate legal, health and education systems; the Scottish electorate consistently vote contrary to the norms of the UK as a whole; and there are political institutions existing nowhere else but Scotland (SNP, the remnants of the SSP, Scottish Labour, etc.).

If you want your own healthcare, education etc. then why do you wish to be a part of the UK?

Speaking AFAIK for the majority of Scots, because there's great advantages to be part of the Union.

However, we can be a part of the Union and still have some elements of the Scottish legal and political systems devolved; it's not an either-or subject. It seems sensible that where Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland work better collectively, they should, and where they don't, they shouldn't.
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Postby Helertia » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:31 am

North Suran wrote:
Tmutarakhan wrote:That would be "Britannia": "Albion" refers to the white chalk cliffs. Poetically, it became used for Britain as a whole, but that was not the original sense.

And the original use of the term "Habsburg" was to describe a castle in Swabia. Yet if you hear someone speak of the "House of Habsburg" today, you assume that they are speaking about the royal dynasty, not the Swabian castle.


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Postby Angleter » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:25 am

Tmutarakhan wrote:England is considerably larger than Scotland, Wales, or Northern Ireland. The analogous kind of regional devolution of powers would be to create parliamentary assemblies for the subregions of England, though if those subregions are to become actual political entities (instead of just census districts and European Parliament constituencies, which is mostly all they are at present) they ought to get proper names instead of bland geographic descriptions: "Bernicia" instead of "Northeast"; then "Lancastria" and "Yorkland"; below that "Mercia" and "Danelaw"; then "Cornwall", "Albion", "London", and "East Anglia".


As much as I'd recoil at the idea of regional division of England and the subsequent devolution of powers to regions, I favour the idea of giving regions actual names. Although I'd prefer 'Deira' for the Northeast, 'Rheged' for the Northwest, 'Wessex' for the Southwest, 'Dumnonia' for Devon & Cornwall, 'Mercia' for the Midlands, 'Anglia' for East Anglia (incl. Cambs.) and Lincolnshire, and 'Seaxna' or something similar for the Southeast (incl. London).
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Postby Tmutarakhan » Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:51 pm

Angleter wrote:
Tmutarakhan wrote:England is considerably larger than Scotland, Wales, or Northern Ireland. The analogous kind of regional devolution of powers would be to create parliamentary assemblies for the subregions of England, though if those subregions are to become actual political entities (instead of just census districts and European Parliament constituencies, which is mostly all they are at present) they ought to get proper names instead of bland geographic descriptions: "Bernicia" instead of "Northeast"; then "Lancastria" and "Yorkland"; below that "Mercia" and "Danelaw"; then "Cornwall", "Albion", "London", and "East Anglia".


As much as I'd recoil at the idea of regional division of England and the subsequent devolution of powers to regions, I favour the idea of giving regions actual names. Although I'd prefer 'Deira' for the Northeast, 'Rheged' for the Northwest, 'Wessex' for the Southwest, 'Dumnonia' for Devon & Cornwall, 'Mercia' for the Midlands, 'Anglia' for East Anglia (incl. Cambs.) and Lincolnshire, and 'Seaxna' or something similar for the Southeast (incl. London).

Well, I was going with the regions as currently defined (London as a separate unit; Wessex combined with Cornwall, like it or not, etc.)

If nobody thinks "Albion" is specific enough (as it has come to be used) for the southeast coast region, "Cinque Ports" is a cool name, and comes with a flag.
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