Kosovo independence

[Filbertiana]

I think that after all Kosovo can't become really independent,but need to have autonomy.

It is hard to choose,but maybe,some way,hardly,if there will not be any other solution,they should divide Kosovo.

[Baycosa]

I think Serbia needs to bug off and accept that the former socialist terror state Yugoslavia does not longer exist.

Nations for all people and no more genocide.

[Greed and Death]

I think Serbia needs to bug off and accept that the former socialist terror state Yugoslavia does not longer exist.

Nations for all people and no more genocide.

Even Texans ?

[Baycosa]

I think Serbia needs to bug off and accept that the former socialist terror state Yugoslavia does not longer exist.

Nations for all people and no more genocide.

Even Texans ?

Yanks?
Texas is part of a union and a nation.

[Buffett and Colbert]

It'd be stupid of them to break away, but if they want to, I think by all means they should be allowed to.

[Greed and Death]

I think Serbia needs to bug off and accept that the former socialist terror state Yugoslavia does not longer exist.

Nations for all people and no more genocide.

Even Texans ?

Yanks?
Texas is part of a union and a nation.

So was Kosovo. and Texans are not Yanks. Dem yanks speek funny.

[Yakana]

Texians.

-waves his Republic of Texas flag.-

[Baycosa]

For a free Scania!

Southern Sweden FTW.

[Greed and Death]

Texians.

-waves his Republic of Texas flag.-

Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one and indivisible.

[The Fanboyists]

Well...on the one hand, I think the Serbian government is a bunch of scags, and anything that pisses them off is good, but...

I can't help but think that if Kosovo gets its independence, it'll just encourage the Basques, and God knows nobody needs that.

[Greed and Death]

Well...on the one hand, I think the Serbian government is a bunch of scags, and anything that pisses them off is good, but...

I can't help but think that if Kosovo gets its independence, it'll just encourage the Basques, and God knows nobody needs that.

If nobody needs or wants them, then they need their own country.

[Baycosa]

Well...on the one hand, I think the Serbian government is a bunch of scags, and anything that pisses them off is good, but...

I can't help but think that if Kosovo gets its independence, it'll just encourage the Basques, and God knows nobody needs that.

I support a free Basque (Basque is not Spain), a free Flanders and so on as well.

[The Fanboyists]

If nobody needs or wants them, then they need their own country.

That's not what I meant; what I meant is there's no reason to encourage them to keep blowing stuff up, trying to get independence when it clearly would cause absolutely no difference in how things are there; that's what 'autonomous' means.

And, to Baycosa, an independent Basque country doesn't really make sense; they're already autonomous, so they function more or less independently as is, and their language is recognized as a regional language in Spain, and they're recognized as a distinct people; in short, an independent Basque country makes as much sense as an independent Texas; it doesnt.

[Baycosa]

If nobody needs or wants them, then they need their own country.

That's not what I meant; what I meant is there's no reason to encourage them to keep blowing stuff up, trying to get independence when it clearly would cause absolutely no difference in how things are there; that's what 'autonomous' means.

And, to Baycosa, an independent Basque country doesn't really make sense; they're already autonomous, so they function more or less independently as is, and their language is recognized as a regional language in Spain, and they're recognized as a distinct people; in short, an independent Basque country makes as much sense as an independent Texas; it doesnt.

To some people independece matters, the USA did not really need independence either as they were already "autonomous" from the British Empire.

People want to govern themselves as much as they want.

[Daistallia 2104]

How are you defining independence?

They declared independence over a year ago.

They de facto are. De jure is in a grey area for now.

[Yootopia]

Well...on the one hand, I think the Serbian government is a bunch of scags, and anything that pisses them off is good, but...

I can't help but think that if Kosovo gets its independence, it'll just encourage the Basques, and God knows nobody needs that.

I support a free Basque (Basque is not Spain), a free Flanders and so on as well.

That's particularly retarded, what with the EU.

"Leave your nation, then join a supranational organisation so your ethnically 'pure' state can get money for some reason, so you don't starve, for better or worse"

[Baycosa]

Well...on the one hand, I think the Serbian government is a bunch of scags, and anything that pisses them off is good, but...

I can't help but think that if Kosovo gets its independence, it'll just encourage the Basques, and God knows nobody needs that.

I support a free Basque (Basque is not Spain), a free Flanders and so on as well.

That's particularly retarded, what with the EU.

"Leave your nation, then join a supranational organisation so your ethnically 'pure' state can get money for some reason, so you don't starve, for better or worse"

Why is that retarded, why should not all people be granted their rightful nations?

[North Suran]

I love the Western hypocrisy surrounding Kosovo's independence.

When NATO-favourite Georgia invades a nation that seceeded from it and Russia intervenes, we immediately condemn Russia for its intervention, channel support for Georgia and demonise South Ossetia.

However, when Kosovo breaks off from Serbia - a country the West has a frosty relation with - we immediately step in and ratify its independence.

[Sdaeriji]

I love the Western hypocrisy surrounding Kosovo's independence.

When NATO-favourite Georgia invades a nation that seceeded from it and Russia intervenes, we immediately condemn Russia for its intervention, channel support for Georgia and demonise South Ossetia.

However, when Kosovo breaks off from Serbia - a country the West has a frosty relation with - we immediately step in and ratify its independence.

Russia's position is equally hypocritical. They support the unilateral declarations of independence of breakaway regions of Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Moldova, sometimes with military intervention, but when a breakaway region of one of their allies declares its independence unilaterally, well, suddenly that's illegal. Both sides are merely playing politics. That doesn't even touch on the hypocrisy of Russian actions in those areas when taken in contrast with their actions in Chechenya.

[North Suran]

Russia's position is equally hypocritical. They support the unilateral declarations of independence of breakaway regions of Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Moldova, sometimes with military intervention, but when a breakaway region of one of their allies declares its independence unilaterally, well, suddenly that's illegal. Both sides are merely playing politics. That doesn't even touch on the hypocrisy of Russian actions in those areas when taken in contrast with their actions in Chechenya.

We can hardly take the moral high-ground when we are guilty of the exact same actions.

[Sdaeriji]

Russia's position is equally hypocritical. They support the unilateral declarations of independence of breakaway regions of Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Moldova, sometimes with military intervention, but when a breakaway region of one of their allies declares its independence unilaterally, well, suddenly that's illegal. Both sides are merely playing politics. That doesn't even touch on the hypocrisy of Russian actions in those areas when taken in contrast with their actions in Chechenya.

We can hardly take the moral high-ground when we are guilty of the exact same actions.

Clearly, in the realm of international politics, we should purposely disadvantage ourselves so we can wrap ourselves up in the warm blanket of moral superiority. Russia played by the unilateral-declaration rules for nearly a decade before Kosovo. The West only returned the favor. The hypocrisy is Russia's, not ours.

[South Lorenya]

Milosevic ruined any excuse Serbia had for keeping Kosovo.

[North Suran]

Clearly, in the realm of international politics, we should purposely disadvantage ourselves so we can wrap ourselves up in the warm blanket of moral superiority. Russia played by the unilateral-declaration rules for nearly a decade before Kosovo. The West only returned the favor. The hypocrisy is Russia's, not ours.

The hypocrisy is both.

What I'm saying is, the international media demonises Russia for actions that the West itself has similarly committed.

[North Suran]

Milosevic ruined any excuse Serbia had for keeping Kosovo.

Why should the actions of the Serbian Government in the '90s affect the Serbian Government in the '00s?

[Yootopia]

I support a free Basque (Basque is not Spain), a free Flanders and so on as well.

That's particularly retarded, what with the EU.

"Leave your nation, then join a supranational organisation so your ethnically 'pure' state can get money for some reason, so you don't starve, for better or worse"

Why is that retarded

Because if they had a war with each other in one supra-national group, how will joining a slightly different one fix anything?

why should not all people be granted their rightful nations?

There's no right to have your own nation on essentially racial grounds.