Victimless Crimes

by **UCUMAY** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:27 pm

Do drug laws, sexuality laws (aside from rape), and other victimless crimes deserve to be in the law books?

Personally, the drug laws in this country are a waste of money and man power. So the more practical option is to legalize, regulate, and tax them. Prostitution laws are strange in my opinion. You can have sex for free. You can buy sex on porn dvds, but you can't buy it in person? Again I say legalize, regulate, and tax it.

I think you'll get the idea. What do you'll think?

by **Grenartia** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:29 pm

UCUMAY wrote:Do drug laws, sexuality laws (aside from rape), and other victimless crimes deserve to be in the law books?

Personally, the drug laws in this country are a waste of money and man power. So the more practical option is to legalize, regulate, and tax them. Prostitution laws are strange in my opinion. You can have sex for free. You can buy sex on porn dvds, but you can't buy it in person? Again I say legalize, regulate, and tax it.

I think you'll get the idea. What do you'll think?

Personally I think that any sex laws except those dealing with rape are stupid. Personally, I think that if you're old enough to drive, you're old enough to have sex with anybody you want to.

by **UCUMAY** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:30 pm

Grenartia wrote:
UCUMAY wrote:Do drug laws, sexuality laws (aside from rape), and other victimless crimes deserve to be in the law books?

Personally, the drug laws in this country are a waste of money and man power. So the more practical option is to legalize, regulate, and tax them. Prostitution laws are strange in my opinion. You can have sex for free. You can buy sex on porn dvds, but you can't buy it in person? Again I say legalize, regulate, and tax it.

I think you'll get the idea. What do you'll think?

Personally I think that any sex laws except those dealing with rape are stupid. Personally, I think that if you're old enough to drive, you're old enough to have sex with anybody you want to.

So you'd allow incest as long as it's consenting adults? *curious not trying to troll*

by **Lackadaisical2** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:31 pm

Grenartia wrote:
UCUMAY wrote:Do drug laws, sexuality laws (aside from rape), and other victimless crimes deserve to be in the law books?

Personally, the drug laws in this country are a waste of money and man power. So the more practical option is to legalize, regulate, and tax them. Prostitution laws are strange in my opinion. You can have sex for free. You can buy sex on porn dvds, but you can't buy it in person? Again I say legalize, regulate, and tax it.

I think you'll get the idea. What do you'll think?

Personally I think that any sex laws except those dealing with rape are stupid. Personally, I think that if you're old enough to drive, you're old enough to have sex with anybody you want to.

Some 6 year olds are good drivers, you pedo.

by **Coccygia** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:31 pm

Drug abuse (including alcohol) isn't really victimless. Everybody around an addict suffers from their behavior. Ask anybody who has an alcholic/addict in the family.

by **UCUMAY** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:33 pm

Coccygia wrote:Drug abuse (including alcohol) isn't really victimless. Everybody around an addict suffers from their behavior. Ask anybody who has an alcholic/addict in the family.

I have been around addicts. No they aren't pleasant but I believe they should be penalized on the crimes they do. Not the drugs they take. Plus drug use declines, and rehab increases in countries that legalize.

by **The Truth and Light** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:34 pm

Prostitution is outlawed because it's not really in the best interest of society. Before you go "I CAN FUCK WHO I WANT", think of all the women who could be being productive, the pimps who abuse, the men who waste their money paying for something that should free. Think of the disease. It's not really a good thing.

That said, it should be taxed, not made illegal. Prostitues don't deserve jail unless they're passing around their sickness. However, all pimps deserve prison.

by **UCUMAY** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:36 pm

The Truth and Light wrote:Prostitution is outlawed because it's not really in the best interest of society. Before you go "I CAN FUCK WHO I WANT", think of all the women who could be being productive, the pimps who abuse, the men who waste their money paying for something that should free. Think of the disease. It's not really a good thing.

That said, it should be taxed, not made illegal. Prostitues don't deserve jail unless they're passing around their sickness. However, all pimps deserve prison.

You're contradicting yourself. Plus, if it's legal why would they need pimps?

by **Grenartia** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:37 pm

UCUMAY wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Personally I think that any sex laws except those dealing with rape are stupid. Personally, I think that if you're old enough to drive, you're old enough to have sex with anybody you want to.

So you'd allow incest as long as it's consenting adults? *curious not trying to troll*

No, but outside of family, yes, any consenting adult (I'm talking 16 or older).

by **UCUMAY** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:38 pm

Grenartia wrote:
UCUMAY wrote:So you'd allow incest as long as it's consenting adults? *curious not trying to troll*

No, but outside of family, yes, any consenting adult (I'm talking 16 or older).

Incest is in the family. So you're still creating a victimless crime.

by **The Truth and Light** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:39 pm

UCUMAY wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:Prostitution is outlawed because it's not really in the best interest of society. Before you go "I CAN FUCK WHO I WANT", think of all the women who could be being productive, the pimps who abuse, the men who waste their money paying for something that should free. Think of the disease. It's not really a good thing.

That said, it should be taxed, not made illegal. Prostitues don't deserve jail unless they're passing around their sickness. However, all pimps deserve prison.

You're contradicting yourself. Plus, if it's legal why would they need pimps?

Where am I contradicting myself?

by **NoN0NSENSE** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:39 pm

Coccygia wrote:Drug abuse (including alcohol) isn't really victimless. Everybody around an addict suffers from their behavior. Ask anybody who has an alcholic/addict in the family.

This is true. The question is are the drug laws doing more good than harm? Maybe in some cases.

by **UCUMAY** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:39 pm

The Truth and Light wrote:
UCUMAY wrote: You're contradicting yourself. Plus, if it's legal why would they need pimps?

Where am I contradicting myself?

Prostitution is outlawed because it's not really in the best interest of society.
That said, it should be taxed, not made illegal.

by **The Truth and Light** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:41 pm

UCUMAY wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:
Where am I contradicting myself?

Prostitution is outlawed because it's not really in the best interest of society.
That said, it should be taxed, not made illegal.

That's not really contradictory.

by **Ragnarsdomr** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:41 pm

Well, some laws in those categories make sense, while others don't.

For example, restriction of alcohol and other drugs to minors is a reasonable limitation, as, frankly, most people I know of my age don't know what a reasonable limit is. Similarly with the age of consent. I know people who would be mature in a relationship with an older person; and on the flip side, I know people who would be utterly vapid and useless. In a sense, the restriction helps the older people more than the younger ones.

As for prostitution, I have an issue with it in that it trivializes sexuality to being nothing more than a transaction. It brings it all down to a single, physical act, rather than anything emotionally driven. That being said, I can't deny it to others, but it definitely is a crime with a victim, but the victim is a perceived quality of the act, not a person involved. So, legally, I can't find issue with it being taxed and legalized, but I can find moral issue with the transaction itself.

by **UCUMAY** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:41 pm

The Truth and Light wrote:
UCUMAY wrote:Prostitution is outlawed because it's not really in the best interest of society.
That said, it should be taxed, not made illegal.

That's not really contradictory.

Yeah it kind of is. But okay.

by **Grenartia** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:42 pm

UCUMAY wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
No, but outside of family, yes, any consenting adult (I'm talking 16 or older).

Incest is in the family. So you're still creating a victimless crime.

I didnt say anything about incest being ok.

by **UCUMAY** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:42 pm

Grenartia wrote:
UCUMAY wrote:Incest is in the family. So you're still creating a victimless crime.

I didnt say anything about incest being ok.

But then you're still creating a victimless crime. That was my point.

by **Meikoland** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:43 pm

Yeah their really shouldn't be laws punishing victimless crimes. Of course who cares about my opinion I'm just a silly lolbertarian *hyuck hyuck*

by **Coccygia** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:43 pm

NoN0NSENSE wrote:
Coccygia wrote:Drug abuse (including alcohol) isn't really victimless. Everybody around an addict suffers from their behavior. Ask anybody who has an alcholic/addict in the family.

This is true. The question are the drug laws doing more good then harm? Maybe in some cases.

Indeed, that is the important question. Personally, I dunno.

by **Lackadaisical2** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:43 pm

The Truth and Light wrote:Prostitution is outlawed because it's not really in the best interest of society. Before you go "I CAN FUCK WHO I WANT", think of all the women who could be being productive,

Providing entertainment is being productive.

the pimps who abuse, the men who waste their money paying for something that should free. Think of the disease. It's not really a good thing.

That said, it should be taxed, not made illegal. Prostitues don't deserve jail unless they're passing around their sickness. However, all pimps deserve prison.

No other capitalist gets jail, why the pimp?

by **The Truth and Light** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:45 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:Prostitution is outlawed because it's not really in the best interest of society. Before you go "I CAN FUCK WHO I WANT", think of all the women who could be being productive,

Providing entertainment is being productive.
the pimps who abuse, the men who waste their money paying for something that should free. Think of the disease. It's not really a good thing.

That said, it should be taxed, not made illegal. Prostitues don't deserve jail unless they're passing around their sickness. However, all pimps deserve prison.

No other capitalist gets jail, why the pimp?

Are you freaking kidding me? People who rent other people's bodies for profit are sick.

by **Tawny Port** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:45 pm

There are extremely few truely victimless crimes, at least in western democracies. Safety crimes, such as jaywalking or making an illegal turn, are victimless but are there to protect people.
Generally the state and/religion have tried to regulate consensual sex activity. Laws regarding consent should stay.

by **UCUMAY** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:46 pm

The Truth and Light wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:Providing entertainment is being productive.

No other capitalist gets jail, why the pimp?

Are you freaking kidding me? People who rent other people's bodies for profit are sick.

Surrogate mother do it.... and I wouldn't make that illegal.

by **UCUMAY** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:47 pm

Tawny Port wrote:There are extremely few truely victimless crimes, at least in western democracies. Safety crimes, such as jaywalking or making an illegal turn, are victimless but are there to protect people.
Generally the state and/religion have tried to regulate consensual sex activity. Laws regarding consent should stay.

Please expand your view.
How are there very few victimless crimes?

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