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[PASSED] Commend Tiago Silva

Postby Sedgistan » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:28 am

Image Commend Tiago Silva
A resolution to recognize outstanding contribution by a nation or region.

Category: Commendation | Nominee: Tiago Silva | Proposed by: The Terran Technate

Description: RECOGNIZING the new state of the flags of the world, being easier to fly and sewn with much more vivid detail,

SEEING The Philosophic Dominion of Tiago Silva as the nation that performed this brave undertaking,

HONORING the contribution of materials and effort from the nation,

HEREBY commends The Philosophic Dominion of Tiago Silva.


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The Flags, They Are So Pretty
by Max Barry
Mon, 03 Jan 2011

Notice our inbuilt flags are looking swankier? No? I guess they are pretty small. But go on, scroll through a few on your Settings page. Those puppies are smooth. It's thanks to the fine nation of Tiago Silva, who bravely volunteered to recast them all from blocky JPEGs to silky PNGs. And update the list, because the number of real-life countries that are founded and cease to exist year to year, you would not believe. It's like NationStates out there.

If you have an old-style flag, you can continue to use it, but these are no longer available to be chosen from the drop-down Flag menu in your Settings.
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LeddZepp
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Postby LeddZepp » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:40 am

I don't see why not, added recognition for Tiago Silva and their heroic efforts.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:49 am

Voted FOR.

Nice job, Tiago Silva
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Postby Frenequesta » Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:04 pm

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Postby Sedgistan » Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:32 pm

Frenequesta wrote:"Any contact info for this nation's flag services, perchance?" asked Lionel Ersthauer, who had been in the Security Council offices for the past several days keeping watch over the Kalasparata condemnation.

He doesn't have a flag-making thread - the proposal is about this.

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Postby Frattastan » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:21 pm

Against.
I don't believe his actions, however "brave", deserve a commendation.
It's not even a well-written resolution.
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Postby Topid » Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:26 pm

Thought he ran a flag thread too. Damn Rule IV, the SC is so useless...
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Postby Sedgistan » Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:35 pm

Topid wrote:Thought he ran a flag thread too. Damn Rule IV, the SC is so useless...

I don't see how you can claim that Rule 4 has made the SC useless when you've authored Condemn Unknown and Liberate Eastern Europe since Rule 4 was introduced, both of which make complete sense whether read OOCly or ICly.

The problem with this proposal is that it is badly authored, not that Rule 4 has made it hard to write. As you can see here, the earlier non-Rule 4 compliant version was of a similar quality.

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Postby Blaanis » Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:59 pm

Temporary International Minister Tenchu Vei stands, eyes twitching violently.

Have any of you actually done any research into this country, before commending it? Obviously not...Ninety-nine percent income taxes? Madness! Absolute madness, encouraged by a government that has no care for the finances of their people. The private sector is composed of...Lemonade stands?! Look at this folder, and tell me, that this is the standard we wish to expect of WA nations. Yes, The Philosophic Dominion of Tiago Silva has done us all a favour, but this administrative process has been officially recognized, already, as the Secretariat's memo has been, by now, fully circulated...And I, for one, find my nation's tax rate too high as is, and will not take such foolish measures as a role-model for my own people.

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Postby Retwinsore » Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:13 pm

Queen Q'ara folds her hands on her lap and side glances at Minister Tenchu Vei before addresing eveyone else. "I don't have anything against The Philosophic Dominion of Tiago Silva, though the way the country is run isn't how I would do so. Let's commend The Philosophic Dominion of Tiago Silva. I for one, like my pretty new flags."
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Postby Corrinthas » Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:20 pm

International Affairs Minister Ludwin Gage of the Corrinthian Royal Family gives a pause, crossing his arms in thought before speaking.

"I believe that the core of the approval to the Tiago Silva should be it's contribution to the international community as a whole. This is, after all the dominion of the Security Council no? A widespread choice of materials that allow our national banners to be more unique, and slick to the rulers who choose to use them is a far cry from tattered sheets made with magic markers. Not only does this show an inventive mind, but also assists in renewing the symbolisms and identities these flags are meant to propose. Hence why I shall approve of the nation's efforts."

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Postby Topid » Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:27 pm

Sedgistan wrote:
Topid wrote:Thought he ran a flag thread too. Damn Rule IV, the SC is so useless...

I don't see how you can claim that Rule 4 has made the SC useless when you've authored Condemn Unknown and Liberate Eastern Europe since Rule 4 was introduced, both of which make complete sense whether read OOCly or ICly.

The problem with this proposal is that it is badly authored, not that Rule 4 has made it hard to write. As you can see here, the earlier non-Rule 4 compliant version was of a similar quality.

Condemn Unknown sounds awkward, and LEE wasn't Rule IV compliant, that just applied to C&Cs then I'm pretty sure.

But neither of those matter. The SC is useless if it can only be used in some cases. These random little instances where the rules don't fit continue to demonstrate how the SC is a waste of time. It was great because we were all included. Now most of us players are out, and there's no point.
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Postby Maltropia » Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:30 pm

"Ladies and gentlemen of the Security Council, for some time now a Draft has been on the floor regarding this same proposal. As the author, but also from a neutral standpoint, I believe it is superior to that currently at vote."
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Postby Sedgistan » Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:38 pm

Topid wrote:Condemn Unknown sounds awkward, and LEE wasn't Rule IV compliant, that just applied to C&Cs then I'm pretty sure.

It doesn't sound awkward to me, and Rule 4 does apply to Liberations - and LEE is Rule 4 compliant.

But neither of those matter. The SC is useless if it can only be used in some cases. These random little instances where the rules don't fit continue to demonstrate how the SC is a waste of time. It was great because we were all included. Now most of us players are out, and there's no point.

The only real situation where SC resolutions are hard to write well is when C&Cing Generalites. In all other situations, authors haven't had a problem ensuring that resolutions are both understandable and Rule 4 compliant. If you had a look at some of the GP resolutions passed since (eg Liberate Greece, Commend 10KI, Commend Ananke), you'd see that there's absolutely no problem with passing Rule 4 compliant resolutions for gameplay situations (which I think I'm right in thinking is what you're worried about).



Retwinsore - could you have a look at this part of the One Stop Rules Shop:
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Maltropia wrote:"Ladies and gentlemen of the Security Council, for some time now a Draft has been on the floor regarding this same proposal. As the author, but also from a neutral standpoint, I believe it is superior to that currently at vote."

You're going to have to campaign quite vigorously against the current one if you want yours to pass.
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Postby Retwinsore » Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:41 pm

(( Ah, sorry, was it too bright? ))

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Postby Sedgistan » Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:45 pm

Retwinsore wrote:(( Ah, sorry, was it too bright? ))

It probably still is if you're going to write exclusively in that colour. Generally people prefer coloured text to be used to highlight parts of a post, rather than being used for the whole thing.

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Postby Retwinsore » Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:47 pm

Sedgistan wrote:
Retwinsore wrote:(( Ah, sorry, was it too bright? ))

It probably still is if you're going to write exclusively in that colour. Generally people prefer coloured text to be used to highlight parts of a post, rather than being used for the whole thing.


(( Mm, alrighty then, I'll keep it in black/default then. ))

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Postby Hockesin » Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:01 pm

He shouldn't be commended period for this. Commendations are for good deeds in Nationstates, extraordinary achievements, ending wars, defending regions , not things outside of, but happened to be related to Nationstates. If this is passed I will be immediately be writing a repeal for many reasons, including the one I just stated above and that the commendation isn't even 5 sentences long.

Bear in mind I am not a troll wanting attention, but I've seen way to many well-written and well-purposed proposals fail, and I find it a mockery that something like this could pass. Being mentioned and thanked by Max himself should be good enough, bending the rules of the game is going too far.
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Postby Tanzoria » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:20 pm

Oscar Gulterkerb had been silent for a long time, but finally could not contain himself. "This should not pass! It is poorly written and there are a lot more nations that deserve commendation than Tiago Silvia. what about Deneceap, the founder of WASO,I believe he should be commended. He sat down, and started sending emails to the other ambassadors telling them to vote against this.

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Postby Topid » Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:29 pm

Sedgistan wrote:It doesn't sound awkward to me, and Rule 4 does apply to Liberations - and LEE is Rule 4 compliant.
I know it does now. But originally the rule read C&C's needed to be in SC IC. I don't know when they pushed us gameplayers out completely.
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But neither of those matter. The SC is useless if it can only be used in some cases. These random little instances where the rules don't fit continue to demonstrate how the SC is a waste of time. It was great because we were all included. Now most of us players are out, and there's no point.

The only real situation where SC resolutions are hard to write well is when C&Cing Generalites. In all other situations, authors haven't had a problem ensuring that resolutions are both understandable and Rule 4 compliant. If you had a look at some of the GP resolutions passed since (eg Liberate Greece, Commend 10KI, Commend Ananke), you'd see that there's absolutely no problem with passing Rule 4 compliant resolutions for gameplay situations (which I think I'm right in thinking is what you're worried about).
Yeah. I read them. I don't care what you think, defenders stop region crashing/raiding not: "interference from hostile foreign forces" and such.

Waste of time.
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Postby Eric the first » Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:30 pm

He shouldn't be commended period for this. Commendations are for good deeds in Nationstates, extraordinary achievements, ending wars, defending regions , not things outside of, but happened to be related to Nationstates. If this is passed I will be immediately be writing a repeal for many reasons, including the one I just stated above and that the commendation isn't even 5 sentences long.

Bear in mind I am not a troll wanting attention, but I've seen way to many well-written and well-purposed proposals fail, and I find it a mockery that something like this could pass. Being mentioned and thanked by Max himself should be good enough, bending the rules of the game is going too far.


Well I was going to rant about how extremely stupid i thought this was, but I believe Hockesin said it all. I don't believe that a (brave?) deed such as this merits a commendation, or else a commendation really isn't worth much.

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Postby Seperate Vermont » Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:32 pm

Ah, those flags. I am changing my vote on this.
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Postby Emmeria Kingdom » Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:33 pm

I have to go against. Not enough prove. Sorry :(
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Postby Hockesin » Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:48 pm

Am I the only noticing that the voting time period is getting longer?

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